AV Artists Complain Monterey 'Orange Dot' Security Feature Makes Macs Unsuitable for Live Performances

[BroMcBroson]

Not sure when this arrived, but if it was present in betas... Did these Audiovisual artists not try out betas?

Using beta software while playing in front of audience seems like the most unprofessional idea I can think of.

 

[carlsson]

Good lord. Inability to read, inability to comprehend, inability to see any needs other than their own. This item is a perfect example of why large sections of the general public should never be asked their opinion, or be allowed onto the internet in general.

You are talking about the comments in this thread, right?

If so, I agree.

 

[seinman]

Not sure when this arrived, but if it was present in betas... Did these Audiovisual artists not try out betas?

Of course they didn't! You never use beta anything in a live production environment. Hell when I was doing this kind of thing, I didn't even use the latest stable releases for anything. I would stay a few months behind just in case there were bugs.

 

[mave1969]

You are talking about the comments in this thread, right?

If so, I agree.

Very much so!

 

[videosoul]

A better solution would surely be for the software makers to be able to output to dedicated video hardware over Thunderbolt (such as Blackmagic UltraStudio / AJA T-TAP Pro) to use professional grade SDI or HDMI outputs (and also bypassing the Mac's UI and ColorSync settings)?

I realise not all software can utilise this sort of hardware, but for professional video workflows it's much better than just using full screen mode over the built-in HDMI. Perhaps they should?

 

[polyphenol]

Of course they didn't! You never use beta anything in a live production environment. Hell when I was doing this kind of thing, I didn't even use the latest stable releases for anything. I would stay a few months behind just in case there were bugs.

You don't have to try it in a live environment. If it is that darned important, you have a second string computer that you try these things out on - including connecting to big screens.

When I was doing (much lower-level) presentations, I'd try them out on multiple machines. And I'd avoid updates before an important event.

 

[eric89074]

DJ macbook BTFO!

 

[videosoul]

Good lord. Inability to read, inability to comprehend, inability to see any needs other than their own. This item is a perfect example of why large sections of the general public should never be asked their opinion, or be allowed onto the internet in general.

100%. The internet is a toxic hive of people who can't see beyond the end of their nose.

How-ever... during COVID #lockdown times, where is he live performing????

Plague raves?

 

[abhibeckert]

If anything, the orange dot is too unobtrusive.

I barely notice it when the the microphone is being used.

On a large venue projector, it could be the size of a basketball.

 

[polyphenol]

On a large venue projector, it could be the size of a basketball.

Still the same proportion of the screen area.

And would likely be subtending a similar angle to the viewer.

 

[FocusAndEarnIt]

Is it really though? Like let's be completely honest here, this isn't as big an issue as apps using your mic without telling you.

for professionals? yes. give them the option. and, obviously, this dot is on the primary screen as well - not just the secondary displays which are sometimes and often used in professional venues.

 

[MauiPa]

Pretty small and innocuous, I can’t believe that is a huge issue with anyone. I hid the menu bar and could barely see it on the top right. Very small on a 4k display, as in really small and not very bright at all

Well there is a provide feedback option, if it is a real issue to people, there is probably a solution

 

[Mr.Blacky]

Apparently only the dot is forced on external monitors. I mean, it's illustrated right there in the article...

So this dot also appears if you use an external mic/camera?

 

[abhibeckert]

A better solution would surely be for the software makers to be able to output to dedicated video hardware over Thunderbolt (such as Blackmagic UltraStudio / AJA T-TAP Pro) to use professional grade SDI or HDMI outputs (and also bypassing the Mac's UI and ColorSync settings)?

The "professional grade" setup we use is a simple BlackMagic HDMI > SDI converter box that as far as MacOS is concerned, is just an ordinary display. And the software for video output sends audio for the video via USB to a sound desk that also provides the Mac with inputs for up to 64 microphones, which are all active as far as MacOS is concerned, though they'd typically all be muted (but not always).

 

[e1me5]

Easily solvable just with some duct tape.

 

[JosephAW]

Have the dot bounce over the words so we can sing along.

 

[osx'r]

Did you read the article?
“In our particular case, this means that this orange dot appears on the stage output, which is totally unacceptable for anyone using macOS as a professional video tool that sends video output to a video projector”

But why?

 

[MauiPa]

Good lord. Inability to read, inability to comprehend, inability to see any needs other than their own. This item is a perfect example of why large sections of the general public should never be asked their opinion, or be allowed onto the internet in general.

You made your point very well, by example. Nothing better than that

 

[macguru212]

Well, this issue could be worse - the dot could be flashing or something 😛. But yes, this is an issue if you want something full screen and don't want a stupid dot standing out like a zit on a prom date's nose.

 

[WWPD]

"In their infinite wisdom, Apple has..."

A great conversation starter, to insult the company whose help you need in order to get the matter resolved...

The dot just got five times bigger!

 

[macguru212]

 

[PlayUltimate]

IMO, Apple could provide a temporary timed disablement; maybe something similar to the Focus function. I believe permanent disablement would go against Apple's privacy ethos.

 

[dynamojoe]

"In their infinite wisdom, Apple has..."

A great conversation starter, to insult the company whose help you need in order to get the matter resolved...

That's what I felt. The guy has a legitimate point but starting it off with that kinda kills whatever sympathy I had for his plight. He needs to get over himself.

 

[Sydnxt]

That's pretty shocking. There should absolutely be a way to disable that on external displays.

 

[Kebabselector]

I don’t get it. Can someone please explain how this negatively impacts their live performance?

The dot will appear on any secondary display/projection screen and it might look a bit crap to be honest.