I'm guessing if you have a need for a large projection display for an event a distraction of a dot might something a paying customer wouldn't want.
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AV Artists Complain Monterey 'Orange Dot' Security Feature Makes Macs Unsuitable for Live Performances
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We do events like this all the time and we don't have this issue because we don't use the same Mac for visuals as we do to broadcast/record.
There needs to be a compromise. Obviously, asking for a means to disable a security and privacy feature is nonsense, as every attacker would use it to disguise the attack.
However, I do not see the need to display the dot on every single external display, as long as the main display is showing it, the information is available to the user.
However, I do not see the need to display the dot on every single external display, as long as the main display is showing it, the information is available to the user.
Tell me you don't work in the live production field without telling me you don't work in the live production field.... Something as simple as an orange dot in the corner of a jumbo screen can ruin a production and cause someone to lose a job.
Exploiting security flaws might be fun at home but it’s not something I’m going to base my business on.
They tend to get patched eventually.
I don't really see why the orange dot has to be present on both screens.
The problem with this is like the article says, while there is a workaround today, Apple could patch said workaround.
What? What do you think the password is for?
That’s how I can disable every other security feature, like FileVault, Firewall, fingerprint and face recognition or I can even disable the Password itself.
That's just a signal convertor though. HDMI to SDI, and the HDMI there is designed for a monitor, so will include menus etc.
The UltraStudio and T-Tap take the Thunderbolt output and convert that to SDI or HDMI. They are not converting one video signal to another, they are acting like an encoder / or kinda like an AD. Software can address that hardware directly, bypassing the computer's internal display structure entirely. So, no ColorSync, no desktop, no menu bar, no orange dot.
Not all software can access this... but may NLE and Colour Grading programs can. Things like OBS can too.
I am saying, perhaps rather than Apple "fixing" this useful thing, maybe more video related software should be designed to be able to access this sort of professional video hardware. They are, ultimately, the best way to get a clean proper video signal out of a computer.
I can imagine the joy that is waiting on that guy in a restaurant. My heart goes out to those poor Applebees servers.
The Photoshop color-picker will not work without disabling a security feature.
And Apple allows you to disable that security feature.
Those of you who think this is a "little thing": imagine you went to a movie theatre and bought a ticket, and there was a bright yellow dot at one point on the screen throughout the entire movie, covering part of the image.
That is what we are discussing here. A yellow dot on the menu bar is not an issue.
A yellow dot over top of a game screen or other full-screen app might cover part of the game/app UI and would be an annoyance or possibly a small problem.
A yellow dot on a PROJECTOR SCREEN where there is no menu bar displaying but which is showing prepared content to an audience is a HUGE problem. Highly unprofessional and cannot be allowed to happen, period end of story.
This MUST be fixed.
That is what we are discussing here. A yellow dot on the menu bar is not an issue.
A yellow dot over top of a game screen or other full-screen app might cover part of the game/app UI and would be an annoyance or possibly a small problem.
A yellow dot on a PROJECTOR SCREEN where there is no menu bar displaying but which is showing prepared content to an audience is a HUGE problem. Highly unprofessional and cannot be allowed to happen, period end of story.
This MUST be fixed.
Why would anyone need to use the camera/ microphone during a live performance?
While I get the hassle, after sending in a feature request to Apple, a simple search turned up an app called YellowDot that claims to remove it. Haven't tried it myself, but those worried about losing their jobs might want to try looking into a temporary solution as a more official one is rolled out.
So how does keynote not display it when in presentation mode?
A scenario where professional video output hardware would be used, which would bypass this. And why I'm advocating that more video software should be designed to utilise this sort of readily available hardware.
As I understand it, the orange dot appears with external inputs too. And there are countless reasons why external A/V inputs will be coming into a Mac in these scenarios.
The irony is that there are probably a bunch of high end spyware platforms by companies like NSO that circumvent the dot anyway. The real threats always get through regardless. All the placebo dot is doing is getting in the way.
ProPresenter was mentioned earlier in the thread - that is a professional presentation tool used mostly in churches but also by a number of businesses. It is most commonly used to drive a projector screen, but is also now able to feed output in a few different ways to a live stream over the internet. As most presentations include audio content, possibly coming from a sound system, that audio needs to make its way into ProPresenter to be streamed, which the Mac perceives as a microphone, thus the dot would appear on the projector while streaming.
A camera would also be fed into ProPresenter to show the speaker in the room - so both dots probably?
That is just one example.
You can hide the menu bar. You can't hide the orange dot. That's the problem.
it's not a problem for me, I'm even ok if they change the entire background color of the menu bar to orange/green as they do on ios, when you are on a call. I just don't want any app to use my mic or camera without my knowledge.
if anyone can recommend any software or a way to disable them(even from the system) and only enable it when I actually need it, I'd really appreciate it.
if anyone can recommend any software or a way to disable them(even from the system) and only enable it when I actually need it, I'd really appreciate it.
This story is like a honeypot for your ignore list.