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Complete opposite situation in Canada. A lot of stock of the iPhone 11 still available to ship September 20th.
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No one is sticking a gun to your head to pay the $1000. You could always buy the $699 iPhone 11 or put your money where your mouth is by buying an Android phone. Best way to send a message to any company is vote with your wallet.
In the US, almost every Pro configuration is Oct 7 and the new iPhone 11 colors are Oct for every carrier.
 
me:
"one doesn't exclude the other, its not an either or, apple face competition from older gen, and android phones, to write off competition from android is blind ignorance."

Abazigal:
"The impact of competition from android is also being vastly over-exaggerated here."

he claim i exaggerated android competition, meanwhile all i said its both old iphone refuse to upgrade and more competition from android.

i wouldn't know how they are selling, i don't buy them, but based on numbers of phone shipped index, apple dropping from 2nd to 3rd doesn't sound too good, ofcourse you and others could simply cherry pick info on what works for you and what doesn't. so i'm not a convent to convert anyone

edit" iphone 11 still use the same intel radio chip as last gen, the same radio chip that made me drop coverage at my office, receiving important email literally 4 hours later. missed text message, suffice to say i got a good unofficial reprement because of the poor coverage from my previous intel iphone. the problem only started when i went from my verizon iphone x to Xr, suffice to say almost 2 weeks later i returned it and got my x back.
To address two of your points:
- Market share: Apple doesn't operate on market share as they have other services and products an Apple customer would be interested in. This is borne out in the financials that show the services revenues on an upswing.
- Anecdotal experience with intel radios: My anecdotal experience is I don't have issues, dropped calls, internet connection, except where there is literally no signal. I have a max, spouse has the XR neither have issues. No doubt Qualcomm modems are better, but that doesn't mean these are sub-par.
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Money already at where my mouth is, I’m sticking to my x til apple switch to Qualcomm next year, I’ll never shell out 1k for 64gb phone, does that disqualify me from making valid criticism?
Not at all. We are all entitled to air our views. :)
 
And you know this how?

For the 6S and 8, I ordered on launch day (Friday evening) and picked it up the next day (Saturday) at the Apple Store.

And both had sold out on preorders by the time I woke up on preorder day.
 
Money already at where my mouth is, I’m sticking to my x til apple switch to Qualcomm next year, I’ll never shell out 1k for 64gb phone, does that disqualify me from making valid criticism?
No, but it doesn't exempt your criticism from being criticised either, which is what is happening here. You say something, people evaluate whether they agree with it or not, and respond. That's really the whole point of this forums.
 
I have been reading this article and it offers some food for thought.

https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/09/...he-beginning-of-an-ultra-wideband-revolution/

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The apple car comes to mind. It seems like Apple is learning from other industries and making sure that any Apple Car will be better locked down and less vulnerable to the hacks that the rest of the auto industry has had to contend with.

One of the biggest criticism is that the iphone 11 doesn’t sport 5g, but no one seems to be interested in discussing the merits of the U1 chip and the implications it has.

I understand that this may not come into fruition for another couple of years, but I think it’s worth bearing in mind how at Apple product events, the takeaways often end up being related more to how Apple is setting the stage for the future. Certain announcements and features make much more sense when you have spent a little more time thinking about what Apple will likely unveil in the following years.
 
I have been reading this article and it offers some food for thought.

https://sixcolors.com/post/2019/09/...he-beginning-of-an-ultra-wideband-revolution/

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The apple car comes to mind. It seems like Apple is learning from other industries and making sure that any Apple Car will be better locked down and less vulnerable to the hacks that the rest of the auto industry has had to contend with.

One of the biggest criticism is that the iphone 11 doesn’t sport 5g, but no one seems to be interested in discussing the merits of the U1 chip and the implications it has.

I understand that this may not come into fruition for another couple of years, but I think it’s worth bearing in mind how at Apple product events, the takeaways often end up being related more to how Apple is setting the stage for the future. Certain announcements and features make much more sense when you have spent a little more time thinking about what Apple will likely unveil in the following years.
The reason why no one talks about UWB yet is because no one understands it properly. For what it’s worth, I think AR glasses will rely on UWB
 
No, but it doesn't exempt your criticism from being criticised either, which is what is happening here. You say something, people evaluate whether they agree with it or not, and respond. That's really the whole point of this forums.
go back and re-read i have no problem facing criticism, criticise away! i don't mind the back and forth critice, in fact i relish in responding to the discussion, but being labeled a whiner, and among other personal attacks in the last 2 day from apple fanboys is neither here nor there.
 
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Not getting the newest iPhone on release date is torture to all early adopters, obviously you don't understand their mindset, haha! I'm surprised at the lack of interest in the Gold color, they are still available on release day. The Midnight Green is not, so I guess it showed that a segment always want to show off the "latest and the greatest."
Or they might just like green.
 
iPhone 11 Pro, Grey, 256GB. Ordered at 8:39am, still set for Sept 20 delivery.

How did you do that?!? I ordered the same model on the app at 7:13 CST and got an Oct. 4-11 delivery - no pick up option available. I’ve always picked up in store on release day - it kills me that I have to wait.
 
thought it’s time for a change. I started with a white 4s, then a silver 5s, then space grey 6S+, followed by rose gold 8+. So why not a green 11 pro max? I don’t use cases with my phones anyways.

Ditto. I don’t use cases. I’ve bought a new iphone every year since the original. Black, white, gold, etc. When something new comes out that is not hideous (rose gold, looking at you) I buy that new color, at least for one generation, just to change things up. So this year it’s midnight green.
 
I plan to take my 8 plus to the store on or about launch day and trade it for a green 11 pro. $799 with trade on the spot for the 64GB model. Preorder wants me to wait on the trade money after I send it in.
 
I think a lot of this depends on the store but after talking to Apple staff yesterday they said there will be a load of walk in stock as well from launch day onwards. I’m going in at first opening time on Friday and will likely buy one there and then.
 
Or they might just like green.

personally, I busy really like the Midnight Green and therefore, ordered it. As you the gold, for me it was the change in material for the back glass panel. When it was polished, the gold was gorgeous and had a pearlescent that the other colors didn’t have. Now that the back glass is matte, it just looks beige to me.
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personally, I just really like the Midnight Green and therefore, ordered it. As you the gold, for me it was the change in material for the back glass panel. When it was polished, the gold was gorgeous and had a pearlescent that the other colors didn’t have. Now that the back glass is matte, it just looks beige to me.

**had to correct a typo.
 
Things have changed over the years, as of today I can order pre order just about any model of the new phones and have it for store pickup on 9/20 in Central Florida. Just a couple years ago, they'd sell out in hours.
 
That's an amazing Internet psychologist assessment there, buddy. You skipped over everything else I said (like being a combat veteran or a family man or doing work I love) and just quoted a single line. The BEST part? You turn around and brag about how you can get your phone for free each year. You called me "eDOGspeed", too. Nice touch. Stay classy.

What does being a combat veteran or a family man have anything to do with your prior comments. Do you feel you deserve acknowledgement for serving your country or being a supportive parent. Guess what others have similar “achievements” and also love their work, yet don’t post on a forum as you brag and informing others to make better financial choices.

Getting something free is not bragging, it is seeking opportunity where one exists. Informing others to make financial choices because they cannot afford some new tech according to your perception is your poor acknowledgement that others are just waiting on Apple to release new hardware to substantiate their life.

Apple’s “auto-correction”, classy similar to Siri, still cannot get it quite right.
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Yellowing seems to be very minor. The issue people have is cracking on the corners and the fact that the clear case sticks to parts of the phone on the back but not all of it so there are bubbles all over. Looks pretty bad. I won't get another clear case for that reason. Would have to be something that doesn't want to stick to the glass on the iPhone's back. Maybe this matte glass used on the Pro phones is a solution, I guess we'll find out.

My TPU clear or translucent cases have never experienced these issues for years, plus I get them for $10 or under.

Some “By Innovation Only” pricing for sure even after the case is using less material.
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Someone got already ‘preparing for shipping’ yet?

Never understood this, either the parcel arrives a day earlier on the day it is supposed to be delivered. Like a child who cannot wait till Christmas Day.
 
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Things have changed over the years, as of today I can order pre order just about any model of the new phones and have it for store pickup on 9/20 in Central Florida. Just a couple years ago, they'd sell out in hours.

The over hyped and exaggerated price have something to do with it. If sales are lack lustre, hopefully Tim and Co. lower prices across the entire line next year as people are smartening up to they hustle.
 
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I'm surprised at the lack of interest in the Gold color, they are still available on release day. The Midnight Green is not, so I guess it showed that a segment always want to show off the "latest and the greatest."
If Apple produced the same number of phones in each colour, then the speed in which they sell out would tell us something about relative popularity. If Apple produced the same number of phones per colour as they sold last year of that colour, it would tell us how demand for different colours changes from year to to year.

But since we have no idea whether any of the above is true (I would say it is basically certain the first assumption is not true), the sell-out dates only tell us whether a certain colour is more popular than Apple predicted.
 
In the US, almost every Pro configuration is Oct 7 and the new iPhone 11 colors are Oct for every carrier.[/QUOT

yes ship to home dates have slipped. If one absolutely has to have the new device on the day it is released, they can preorder and drive to their local Apple store on 9/20 and still get it.
 
Not too surprised about this news. The iPhone 11 pro likely appeals to diehard Apple fans who want the latest and greatest, want it on day one, and are willing to pay for it.

The iPhone 11 adoption rate will likely be similar to the Xr. Slower and more gradual over the course of the year, but it will still probably end up being the most popular model.
 
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows what the stock will be or how many people will be waiting.

Not sure what you mean by "maybe". As of now, if you preorder online, you can pickup in store on 9/20 for most models. If you preorder and pay, they hold the stock for you to come get.

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The iPhone 11 adoption rate will likely be similar to the Xr. Slower and more gradual over the course of the year, but it will still probably end up being the most popular model.

I plan on getting the 11, just not next week. Giving my son my Xr, and trading in his 6s for the 11 for me.
 
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Not sure what you mean by "maybe". As of now, if you preorder online, you can pickup in store on 9/20 for most models.
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I plan on getting the 11, just not next week. Giving my son my Xr, and trading in his 6s for the 11 for me.
Not in my area. Currently, almost none of the iPhone Pro/Max configurations are available at the 6 stores near me.
 
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