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Back and Forth: True Video iPod In December?

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jephrey said:
I don't think it'll be a replacement.

iPod 1G-3G
iPod photo 4G
iPod video 5G/5.5G
iPod nano
iPod shuffle
iPod movie

The iPod's 6G, IMO, would have a real good WiFi solution and maybe a 100G HD, but I personally expect something like that later on.

The iPod movie (as I would call it) could be released sooner (hopefully to blow the Zune out of the water) and get a head start on touchscreen and true video.

of course iPod movie could do music and the iPod video already does video.

the next step is to integrate a camera and phone. I think the way to do the phone buttons is with touch screen. Maybe the phone and true video will be in one because of the touch-screen?

then again, who knows.

rumors are cool

J
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I was in agreement with you until you started into the "over rumoured" camera phone integration crap...

Would you really want a touch screen phone?...I need tactile feedback...aka buttons.

also,

Hard drive in a phone...I don't think so

ipod movie player with flash memory storage...I don't think so (not in the next few years, at least).
 
I couldn't care less about video, and wireless syncing is likely to be too slow to be useful. However, it recently occurred to me that there's a killer application for wireless in the iPod, and I hope Apple doesn't miss the boat here. They've been going on and on about how so many car manufactures offer iPod integration kits now, but every one of those requires you to pull the iPod out of your pocket/bag/whatever and plug it into the car. It's still kind of a pain.

Imagine having audio wirelessly sent to your car's stereo. The iPod is in your pocket, you're listening on headphones as you walk up to your car. You get in, turn it on, and without missing a beat, the music is playing on your car speakers. You never had to touch the iPod - it's still in your pocket.

It seems to me that this is exactly the kind of seamless integration that Apple strives for. And if there were a stereo kit available that worked with this, I'd get it in a heartbeat. Of course, they could also do it for home stereos a la Airport Express. You arrive home, walk in the door, and your music is playing right where it left off on your home stereo. Maybe the iPod would even pause it while no headphones or wireless receivers are connected - so you don't miss that cool solo while walking from the driveway to the front door.

Am I alone in thinking this would be the coolest and most useful application of wireless?
 
my wife works for a company that deals a lot with Apple products and the code name for the "widescreen ipod" is the ipod dash
 
vi2867 said:
Let me tell you...

I currently have an iPod 5.5, (because I had it replaced and they gave me the newer one) playing videos isn't as great as it sounds. I can only get about 1:45 minutes of video playing time. I use my iPod while riding the train to work everyday, and I can only view half of a two hour movie, because I don't want my battery to die before I get to work.

I think this is the main concern of Apple delaying the launch of this new iPod Video. They need to have figured out a way for the battery life to last at least 4 to 6 hours...:(
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Either you really have a 5G iPod or you have a crap battery they should last around 4-6 hours.
 
I am going to stick to the "I'll believe it when I see it" line of thought on a true video iPod. Anymore speculation and I might go a tad crazy.

Iggy :)
 
Front Row anyone?

Many people seem to worry about the touchscreen thing. How about the apple remote then? Front Row works fine with it (it's still painfully slow but you get my point...). I can see a widescreen video iPod with those (existing) radio remote headphones (with the same controls as the apple remote and the shuffle) that you use just as you use front row. Add an infrared port so you can use the apple remote when your iPod is connected to a TV.

The only downside would be you can't really scroll well... maybe they'll come up with a small-sized clickwheel (basically the apple remote control, except that the outer ring can be used to scroll just like on the big clickwheel).
 
revjay said:
also,

Hard drive in a phone...I don't think so

ipod movie player with flash memory storage...I don't think so (not in the next few years, at least).
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MHHH how about the nokia N91
http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/04/27/nokia-n91
Or the samsung SGH-i310
http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6046726.html

Agree with you on one point, I dont think there will be a flash storage ipod for some time, but maybe a Harddrive with built in NAND like what we are starting to see on notebooks.
 
wireless for car integration

bankshot said:
Am I alone in thinking this would be the coolest and most useful application of wireless?
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I mentioned this exact same thing a few days ago. Bandwith should not be an issue for streaming one audio track at a time. Imagine the iPod HIFI with that: carry your iPod in your pocket and it streams to the nearest iPod HIFI. If you have more HIFIs, you can walk around in the house and your music follows you eveywhere you have an iPod HIFI. You could as well use headphones, but streaming music and having sterile-making emitters in your pockets is so much cooler, isn't it? ;)
 
I know what your saying, but the reality is...

Eraserhead said:
Either you really have a 5G iPod or you have a crap battery they should last around 4-6 hours.
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I just had my 5G iPod replaced about a month ago. This iPod is one of the newer iPods that just came out.

I have followed the Apple instructions to not use the equalizer, low light resolution, and try not to manuever the menus too much while playing the video, and that is what gets me to about 1:45 minutes.

I use my iPod daily (M-F), and I charge it daily (M-F). I think the high usage is also the reason why my battery life is so low.

But isn't the iPod made for this type of usage???
 
MrCrowbar said:
Don't have smart-cards have small HDDs inside? This is small enough for a phone in my opinion.
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Yep, MD stands for Micro drive and is a tiny harddrive in a shell. I even remeber something about taking out the MD card in a creative muvo :p and using it for a digital camera supporting CF and MD. They were way cheaper to take apart then buying the card alone:D (sry side tracked)

17_MuVo_OriginalMD.jpg
 
No iPod Before Christmas

Despite what some are posting here, I feel Apple will wait until the new year to address any new iPod/iPhone/etc.
Why? Because they can.
Apple is one of the few companies than can afford to wait out the holiday season with their current offerings - knowing people who just bought the new iPod video redux will ALSO buy the next gen iPod video once they see how cool it is (it will definitely be more than a brighter screen and some lame additional features).

Honestly, I don't know. It just seems that in the past, Apple waited to hit us in the pocketbooks until AFTER the holiday shopping season. While MWSF seems the place for such an announcement, I'm not sure they would want to feature a new iPod video their iTV, OS 10.5, an iPhone etc. all at MWSF. Seems a lot.
 
I think that I'm also going to fall into the camp of "I'll believe it when I see it." I know that we see all of these patent filings that suggest the widescreen iPod, but I think that the iPhone and iTV are Apple's 2 biggest projects right now (new markets, more possibilities). Maybe the reason we're seeing such a long time between updates is not so much engineering trouble, but Apple designers not being sure of how to best improve the iPod experience/design.

The thing I worry about now is that the iPod may be losing some of its glamour; when it first came out, it replaced the bulky CD players, and was the coolest toy on the block. It's still pretty cool now (I want to buy my 1st nano soon), but people looking for features may jump onto other mp3 player bandwagons. The Zune reminds me of an elongated Game Boy (the classic), but the sansa player is pretty darn nice for the price. I think that unless Apple can re-redesign the music experience, or else completely solidify its hold on the entire digital entertainment market, we're going to see lots more switchers (to PC models) in the next generation to cheaper, everyday mp3 players.
 
DwightSchrute said:
I don't think Apple is dumb enough ot release it in December. Think of all the 5.5G returns they would have. While they could obviously still sell the unopened 5.5Gs think of all the time their employees would waste accepting returns when they could be selling more iPods and computers. I think it will either be out before Thanksgiving or sometime next year.
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Note that I'm not arguing pro-video iPod, but I don't think it'll matter if people return their 5.5G iPods. The Apple Stores will charge a restocking fee (probably 10-15% or something) and turn around and sell it open-box for 5-10% discount, which equals free profit of roughly 5%.* Meanwhile, everyone who returned theirs for the sake of getting a video iPod will then turn around and spend $xxx on top of that. So Apple isn't losing money, but instead gaining free profit on open-box resales.

*Disclaimer: I don't claim to know what rates Apple may or may not charge for restock, or deduct for open-box. It's simply a commonly-used tactic: charge a relatively small restock fee then sell discounted to consumers who think they're getting a good deal.

So free-profit would be an acceptable exchange for "all the time" spent returning iPods. And let's be honest, here: We've all been to Apple Stores. We know how many employees they have working at once. A BOATLOAD. I can hardly go in to browse without being attacked by half an army of Apple Store salespeople. The worst part is that they assume I'm an uninformed Windows user when in reality, there's a good chance I know more about the Mac than they do.

Anyway, this still doesn't mean I'm convinced that Apple will release in December. Let's just say it gets here when it gets here.

-Clive
 
vi2867 said:
I just had my 5G iPod replaced about a month ago. This iPod is one of the newer iPods that just came out.

I have followed the Apple instructions to not use the equalizer, low light resolution, and try not to manuever the menus too much while playing the video, and that is what gets me to about 1:45 minutes.

I use my iPod daily (M-F), and I charge it daily (M-F). I think the high usage is also the reason why my battery life is so low.

But isn't the iPod made for this type of usage???
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Your battery should last at least a year or so with that usage (my 3g did), 1:45 is too low (sounds like my 5G iPod) you should send it back to Apple, btw what's the audio battery life like?
 
I still say we could see a special surprise on October 23rd... Wouldn't that be a great way to celebrate the iPod!
 
The BBC are reporting the following:

"Looking forward, 2007 is likely to be one of the most exciting new product years in Apple's history," Mr Jobs added.

Either he's trying to put us off the scent, or it looks like there'll be nothing too exciting for the rest of the year.
 
Clive At Five said:
Note that I'm not arguing pro-video iPod, but I don't think it'll matter if people return their 5.5G iPods. The Apple Stores will charge a restocking fee (probably 10-15% or something) and turn around and sell it open-box for 5-10% discount, which equals free profit of roughly 5%.* Meanwhile, everyone who returned theirs for the sake of getting a video iPod will then turn around and spend $xxx on top of that. So Apple isn't losing money, but instead gaining free profit on open-box resales.

*Disclaimer: I don't claim to know what rates Apple may or may not charge for restock, or deduct for open-box. It's simply a commonly-used tactic: charge a relatively small restock fee then sell discounted to consumers who think they're getting a good deal.

So free-profit would be an acceptable exchange for "all the time" spent returning iPods. And let's be honest, here: We've all been to Apple Stores. We know how many employees they have working at once. A BOATLOAD. I can hardly go in to browse without being attacked by half an army of Apple Store salespeople. The worst part is that they assume I'm an uninformed Windows user when in reality, there's a good chance I know more about the Mac than they do.

Anyway, this still doesn't mean I'm convinced that Apple will release in December. Let's just say it gets here when it gets here.

-Clive
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I think that for the most part people would be returning unopened iPods. Do you open your gifts before giving them?
 
boxandrew said:
The BBC are reporting the following:

"Looking forward, 2007 is likely to be one of the most exciting new product years in Apple's history," Mr Jobs added.

Either he's trying to put us off the scent, or it looks like there'll be nothing too exciting for the rest of the year.
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Anything like all those "cool PPC products (yes, plural) in the pipeline" Steve mentioned when talking about the switch to Intel processors?
 
lazyrighteye said:
Anything like all those "cool PPC products (yes, plural) in the pipeline" Steve mentioned when talking about the switch to Intel processors?
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I dunno, I thought the rev.c iMac and the dual-core and quad PowerMacs were pretty cool.
 
Bregalad said:
The product is undoubtedly real, but announcing it in December, or even at MWSF in January, would be the height of stupidity. They'd miss the Christmas buying season and piss off both the buyers and recipients of new iPods. That's probably 20 million people in the US alone who would be angry with Apple.
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I think most people buying ipods would be those GIVING gifts. At that point, the person getting the gift is happy and the one giving is likely a grandma or parent who's not going to be really following when the next generation of ipod is coming out.

We few, we band of brother macrumor types, would be pissed, but I don't think the average person.
 
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