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Backlight bleeding

I think my backlight bleeding is getting worse. When I first heard of the problem I checked but didn't think it was all that bad now it seems worse. Brightness is 100% up which I don't normally do in a dark room but still.



It's hard to tell in this one but you can see it a little.



I hope I loaded these right. Is there an easy way to load images from the iPad? Took these with iPhone.
 
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One thing to think about.... the feared "IN SPEC" response.

I wanted to mention that you guys may want to go back and get a complete refund... then wait a month or two and try again.

Because...

#1. If you return it for a refund and tell them it's because of the backlight bleed then they will know how many are upset about it and may be able to modify their assembly techniques. If you simply hang on to it they won't get this feedback and will think you are a satisfied customer. The more returns the better in this case so they take it seriously.

#2. More importantly... I don't know if you can count on your 1 year Apple warranty to cover this. If Apple gets frustrated over the amount of returns and swaps the word may come down to tell everyone that dreaded word "in spec". As in "oh that bleed is considered IN SPEC for the Ipad 2". Every company seems to have done this at some point so you may then be stuck with what you have.

Just something to consider... I was a little bummed initially over not getting one right at first but now I'm simply going to wait a bit. If you've had the Touch for some time it's not as groundbreaking an experience though I'm looking forward to getting one at some point.

Good luck everybody
 
Just had a coworker come in to my office after telling me he had no bleed issue. He does. I officially doubt there are any iPads out there with absolute zero bleed issue. :)

I will say I would take his iPad in a heartbeat because it was pretty minor.`
 
Sigh

'after 8 days of waiting to see if the glue was dry (no improvement)"
Sigh - there went my best rationalization for 80 hours prepared for shipping and 96 (so far) on Lantau Island. I thought, "well at least the glue on mine will have time to cure."
 
cbronfman said:
'after 8 days of waiting to see if the glue was dry (no improvement)"
Sigh - there went my best rationalization for 80 hours prepared for shipping and 96 (so far) on Lantau Island. I thought, "well at least the glue on mine will have time to cure."
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maybe the issue is that there is not enough glue... :apple: cost cutting?
 
MasonH said:
I wanted to mention that you guys may want to go back and get a complete refund... then wait a month or two and try again.

Because...

#1. If you return it for a refund and tell them it's because of the backlight bleed then they will know how many are upset about it and may be able to modify their assembly techniques. If you simply hang on to it they won't get this feedback and will think you are a satisfied customer. The more returns the better in this case so they take it seriously.

#2. More importantly... I don't know if you can count on your 1 year Apple warranty to cover this. If Apple gets frustrated over the amount of returns and swaps the word may come down to tell everyone that dreaded word "in spec". As in "oh that bleed is considered IN SPEC for the Ipad 2". Every company seems to have done this at some point so you may then be stuck with what you have.

Just something to consider... I was a little bummed initially over not getting one right at first but now I'm simply going to wait a bit. If you've had the Touch for some time it's not as groundbreaking an experience though I'm looking forward to getting one at some point.

Good luck everybody
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Not sure how many times it has been said that a little light bleed is inherent of LCD technology, and the way that the panels are assembled. Sounds like no one here has every bought an LCD television before. Every single one that I've ever had has some sort of light bleed somewhere, no matter how minor. Samsung and Sony will tell you to take a giant leap beyond one or possibly two returns, so why is this situation any different?

The same thing happened with the iPad 1 launch, yet no 'in spec' communication was issued. I would surmise that Apple will eventually get like the television manufacturers, as this forum has created some very finicky users, and those who once 'thought' that they had no issue, only need to read here a couple of threads to mentally create one.

Its just like the DSLR forums. All these people take photos with the lens cap on to see how many dead pixels are on the sensor, even though you'd never see in a real photograph. Makes no sense.

Now if one does have excessive light bleed that can be seen in normal operation without staring at it for a couple of minutes, then I say exchange, but this forum is massively infected with LCD panel OCD.
 
cmvsm said:
Not sure how many times it has been said that a little light bleed is inherent of LCD technology, and the way that the panels are assembled. Sounds like no one here has every bought an LCD television before. Every single one that I've ever had has some sort of light bleed somewhere, no matter how minor. Samsung and Sony will tell you to take a giant leap beyond one or possibly two returns, so why is this situation any different?

The same thing happened with the iPad 1 launch, yet no 'in spec' communication was issued. I would surmise that Apple will eventually get like the television manufacturers, as this forum has created some very finicky users, and those who once 'thought' that they had no issue, only need to read here a couple of threads to mentally create one.

Its just like the DSLR forums. All these people take photos with the lens cap on to see how many dead pixels are on the sensor, even though you'd never see in a real photograph. Makes no sense.

Now if one does have excessive light bleed that can be seen in normal operation without staring at it for a couple of minutes, then I say exchange, but this forum is massively infected with LCD panel OCD.
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I'm a plasma guy so I may not know everything about LCD tech but I have a low end Sony in my bedroom and there is no light bleed. Are you talking about clouds or flashlight issues? I shoot video and there is nothing more annoying than a nice white pixel in a scene. If someone pays big bucks for a dslr they should have no dead or stuck pixels. Good for them for checking.

Again the fact that some of you will dismiss this issue as an enjoy it or screw philosophy blows my mind.
 
cmvsm said:
Now if one does have excessive light bleed that can be seen in normal operation without staring at it for a couple of minutes, then I say exchange, but this forum is massively infected with LCD panel OCD.
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I agree with what you say in general. But we are not really talking about a slight fading at the sides/corners which you generally get and is expected.
It's the, for want of a better phrase "pinch points" where the LCD unit is having pressure applied in various locations due to design/assembly.

"Normal Operation" does depend from person to person. Your normal operation may be out and about during the day or in a well lit office.
My "Normal Operation" is late in the evenings, at home where I have VERY dim lighting in the room as I find it relaxing. I'm sure at even 50% I'd see some of the spots that have been shown here in my lighting conditions.

Luckily I am keeping my iPad1 so I can always use that as a comparison if a shop argues with me that it's normal on all LCD screens and I take show them my iPad one does not show these bright spots.
 
VidPro said:
I'm a plasma guy so I may not know everything about LCD tech but I have a low end Sony in my bedroom and there is no light bleed. Are you talking about clouds or flashlight issues? I shoot video and there is nothing more annoying than a nice white pixel in a scene. If someone pays big bucks for a dslr they should have no dead or stuck pixels. Good for them for checking.

Again the fact that some of you will dismiss this issue as an enjoy it or screw philosophy blows my mind.
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I've got a Samsung and also no backlight bleeding so I don't call it normal, but than again, I don't buy a new tv every year.

iPad 1 has no backlight bleeding (except for very few, but than there's immediately a defect as well). I'm staying with iPad 1 but that's mostly because the price to upgrade is too much in my opinion. I will take iPad 3, haha.
 
cmvsm said:
Not sure how many times it has been said that a little light bleed is inherent of LCD technology, and the way that the panels are assembled. Sounds like no one here has every bought an LCD television before. Every single one that I've ever had has some sort of light bleed somewhere, no matter how minor. Samsung and Sony will tell you to take a giant leap beyond one or possibly two returns, so why is this situation any different?

The same thing happened with the iPad 1 launch, yet no 'in spec' communication was issued. I would surmise that Apple will eventually get like the television manufacturers, as this forum has created some very finicky users, and those who once 'thought' that they had no issue, only need to read here a couple of threads to mentally create one.

Its just like the DSLR forums. All these people take photos with the lens cap on to see how many dead pixels are on the sensor, even though you'd never see in a real photograph. Makes no sense.

Now if one does have excessive light bleed that can be seen in normal operation without staring at it for a couple of minutes, then I say exchange, but this forum is massively infected with LCD panel OCD.
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You could not be more wrong. As I've said before... a properly made/assembled BACKLIT LCD panel should have NO light bleed. LCD TV's that are EDGE-lit are a different story.

Please stop confusing the two and giving false information.
 
I mentioned this in another thread... but the Backlight bleeding was also the suspect in the video camera issues that my iPad 2 was having before I returned it. Since the backlight was "leaking through"... it was believed that it was affecting the image quality of the video camera and causing disruptions similar to a "thermal" video effect in the lighter portions of the area being recorded.

I personally could live with the backlight bleeding if it was minimal... but since it may also affect the camera... I'm going to wait before I get another iPad 2. Unless I am 100% sure that the next one I purchase has no backlight bleeding.
 
It seems that this thread is updating slower and slower everyday...
Does it mean that everyday there are less cases of blacklight bleeding??
Any hopes for the Europe release to be bleeding free? :confused:
 
jaav88 said:
Any hopes for the Europe release to be bleeding free? :confused:
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Sorry, but no.

There is obviously a problem, and the issue will not be fixed nearly that quick.

In fact, looking at Apple's track record of dealing with problems, they gave us a case to deal with their shotty design of the iPhone 4 antennae...maybe they'll give us an iPad case that covers a 1 inch border around the screen so that we don't see the bleeding.

The iPhone 4 antennae will be fixed in the iPhone 5. The iPad 2 backlight bleeding will be fixed in the iPad 3.
Why? Because they can. They're Apple.
 
jaav88 said:
It seems that this thread is updating slower and slower everyday...
Does it mean that everyday there are less cases of blacklight bleeding??
Any hopes for the Europe release to be bleeding free? :confused:
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ipad2 has sold out...wait for the next batch for new backlight bleeding reports ;)
 
msb3079 said:
You could not be more wrong. As I've said before... a properly made/assembled BACKLIT LCD panel should have NO light bleed. LCD TV's that are EDGE-lit are a different story.

Please stop confusing the two and giving false information.
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Very true. But the iPad 2 is edge lit, and that's where the problem is coming from. It's edge lit and just glue together rather than held with tight clamps etc. Seems like a recipe for having bleeding of some level on every unit, and seems like something they're not likely to fix until the iPad 3. Just like they didn't redesign the iPhone 4 antenna issue.

Backlit would be better, but I guess they couldn't make it so thin with backlighting or something.
 
Looks like I am running to the same issues.

What are my options if I bought it new off of eBay and don't have the receipt?
 
dmaul1114 said:
Very true. But the iPad 2 is edge lit, and that's where the problem is coming from. It's edge lit and just glue together rather than held with tight clamps etc. Seems like a recipe for having bleeding of some level on every unit, and seems like something they're not likely to fix until the iPad 3. Just like they didn't redesign the iPhone 4 antenna issue.

Backlit would be better, but I guess they couldn't make it so thin with backlighting or something.
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The specs read "LED-backlit". That would be horrible if they made such a small display LED-edgelit.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
 
cbronfman said:
'after 8 days of waiting to see if the glue was dry (no improvement)"
Sigh - there went my best rationalization for 80 hours prepared for shipping and 96 (so far) on Lantau Island. I thought, "well at least the glue on mine will have time to cure."
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mine's gotten worse since i've had it....not better...
 
Well I've received my pseudo-replacement iPad.

I ordered two identical iPads (32Gb 3G) on launch day at 12:49am. One from att.com and one from apple.com. The AT&T one arrived the next business day and I've been using it for 3-4 hours daily since then. The Apple one arrived this morning.


Needless to say, my original iPad from att.com exhibited heinous backlight bleeding. I had originally planned to sell the one from apple.com, but instead decided to see if the bleeding had improved before handing it over to the interwebs.

I took the original iPad to the Apple store and was told that it should go away within the week. It hasn't. At all.

Below is a test of the two iPads....but now I'm not completely sure what I should do...both suck. Sweet. But the newest iPad sucks a little bit less. So in the modern day of Apple's customers doing their QC, do I consider this a victory?

Which would you keep?

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