'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'
OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?
OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?
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Anyways, the real reasons we're all making of of him is because he doesn't understand the iPhone. It's been shown in the past with the iPod that peopel will pay more for a device that works well, even with less fuctionality.
Steve Balmer says it's expensive. Oh, thanks for pointing that out Steve! We didn't know that before. He goes on to say that it won't be sucessful in business. NO SH*T! It's not for businesses, it's for normal people who don't like over-complicataed "smartphones."
So Steve Balmer is looking at the iPhone wrong, so I bet a lot of Mac users are just dismissing what he said as foolish words (which they are)
Sony Ericsson
released two phones: the P800 and the P900 both were in the 800-900 dollar range when released. Had they been subsidized y a carrier I bet they would have been as expensive or more-so. There are plenty of expensive phones out there, they just aren't as high profile as the iPhone.
http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/buy/products/cat/1002/product/280271
http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/buy/products/cat/1002/product/280405
http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N93/0,7747,,00.html ($699.00)
just for a few...
released two phones: the P800 and the P900 both were in the 800-900 dollar range when released. Had they been subsidized y a carrier I bet they would have been as expensive or more-so. There are plenty of expensive phones out there, they just aren't as high profile as the iPhone.
http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/buy/products/cat/1002/product/280271
http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/buy/products/cat/1002/product/280405
http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N93/0,7747,,00.html ($699.00)
just for a few...
A good size chunk of smartphones out there are based on Windows Mobile. The others are Palm, Blackberry, Symbian or Linux based.
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He's probably M$'s single biggest liability. He gets up everyone's noses.
Well... they are smarter for business use than what iPhone offers.
Well... they are smarter for business use than what iPhone offers.
Odd. No one I know who has a WM smartphone actually likes using them. Those who have Blackberrys or Symbian phones do.
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well, for M$ WinCE is like ........ such a small stuff.
and M$ doesn't sell phones, just like M$ doesn't sell windows based computers, if you think thats a comparable situation.
still, i don't see why M$ should be scared. 15% smartphone OS market share isn't something they really scared about.
O.k have you been looking pass how cool this phone is?
Have you been reading the all the missing features this phone will have and for the price their asking for?
the lack of 3rd party support is not major to you?
charge 600 bucks + for a phone that have a camera but no video recording feature? My slvr have this feature for christ sake.
If they are going to claim all in one why not actually make it that.
Make me buy a phone where if i pay premium i want all the features that are on the market. If you are going to claimn "the only device you need" make it to where it is the only device i need-photos,music & videos are a nice but really is it tha timportant on a phone? whatever happened t other cell phone features? why dont they reinvent features instead of claiming innovation and is a complete knockoff of another product.
Oh, I think so too. I think Apple will do very well with this. And I'm already lusting after one...
Likewise. Anything apple will sell these days.
I think if widgets aren't supported it will be a shame, we don't know if applications have to be apple verified, it may be like that to reduce the risk for Cingular as this is pretty revolutionary, this makes sense as business is ALL about minimising risk.
There are two reasons I can think of for video conferencing, 1) Having a private chat with your girlfriend, 2) For business. You aren't ever going to want to have a video chat walking down the street, and in most situations you will be able to use a laptop instead.
The revolutionary features are also in things like Texting, storing them like an IM chat is genius (well AFAIK no-one else has done it yet).
Personally I think the iphone is going to do great, a lot of people hate using mobile phones as for many it's just a batter to use the thing, I want a phone which I wont resent having to use and i'm willing to pay a pretty penny to have that stress taken out of my life.
The iphone caters to the sidekick market which they will expand greatly, the 16-30 age bracket who want something that just works and can do a little more than your standard phone.
The iphone caters to the sidekick market which they will expand greatly, the 16-30 age bracket who want something that just works and can do a little more than your standard phone.
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I edited that typo damn fast, how the hell did you catch it, I even saw it a split second after I hit post and thought "drat".
And what've you got against 55+ year olds exactly? My father said he'd put one on pre order as soon as he can.
He has before, I seen it on YouTube once....
Ballmer has to downplay anything that poses a threat to M$ profits/market
(eg. windows mobile)
Apple has been talked about in the media so much that Ballmer and the like had/have to do something to get some focus on their upcoming OS attempt
This kind of garbage is to be expected as well as any kind of classless FUD'ing from M$
iPhone market
I swear this has been said, but Apple isn't marketing this to business customers!!!!
There are a lot of average consumers who look at "smartphones" and think, "I like the idea of being on the net, looking at pictures, emailing, etc; but what's a Blackberry???" Smartphones not only look intimidating and have features that are hard to use.
The iPhone is being targeted toward the same market as Samsung's Blackjack. If you've noticed their marketing, it's all about the fun stuff you can do with it and not that your business can contact you at 2am in Hong Kong.
The iPhone certainly isn't for everyone and the price will keep it as a premium product. Even still, I think we'll be shocked at the amount of people who will spring for the phone once they have it in their hand and try it out.
I swear this has been said, but Apple isn't marketing this to business customers!!!!
There are a lot of average consumers who look at "smartphones" and think, "I like the idea of being on the net, looking at pictures, emailing, etc; but what's a Blackberry???" Smartphones not only look intimidating and have features that are hard to use.
The iPhone is being targeted toward the same market as Samsung's Blackjack. If you've noticed their marketing, it's all about the fun stuff you can do with it and not that your business can contact you at 2am in Hong Kong.
The iPhone certainly isn't for everyone and the price will keep it as a premium product. Even still, I think we'll be shocked at the amount of people who will spring for the phone once they have it in their hand and try it out.
At the end Ballmer points out something very interesting. He says that in the upper end of the MP3 player market. Units at $249 and above, the Zune has 20% of market share. Either he is lying or MS has forced all of its employees & affliates around the world to buy the Zune.
I suppose that depends on your definition of "smart."
Lack of real push functionality and compatibility with enterprise servers are big minuses for starters. I hope they get some agreements worked out for the launch, because that would be a deal-killer for many business people.
Toy email-only push is however perhaps more than enough for a a student or a designer type who has little concept of what real business use of a 'smart' phone involves
I have 3 handsets on the go usually, but only two actually need to be 'smart'. The iPhone in it's current state would be a good third phone for googling / streetmapping better without cranking up the laptop, browsing MacRumors with and replacing the Nano all wrapped up in the nicest way to do this sort of thing to date - which would be sufficient justification for me, but perhaps not others.
To really rise above the hype, I think they need to talk turkey with more people who provide the pieces of the puzzle that makes up an actual 'smart' phone these days, or finish the job themselves.
Disturbingly accurate...