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The HP Slate was actually announced before the iPad. The iPad was announced on the 27th and there were press videos about the HP Slate on the 25th (and perhaps before) with an actual live working model. As you can see the screen dimensions have changed, but the design is pretty much the same. And while not implying that the iPad was a rip off of the Slate, let us not forget that Apple rips off other companies just like everyone else.

Just so you know.:rolleyes:

Links: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8444672.stm







Yes that is awful. Reminds me of that company that charged MP3 player users for updates - oh wait, that's Apple! :D



How can Apple rip off the HP slate when the HP slate ripped off the iPhone? Seriously, its the same design xD

I do hope you are joking.
 
The PCWorld article Windows 7 Tablets: Just Say No, Microsoft says
Unfortunately, Microsoft plans to retrofit Windows 7 to run on slates. While Win 7 is a fine operating system for conventional PCs, it was never designed for touch input, a shortcoming that makes it inherently clunky for the new breed of touchscreen tablets.​
 
How can Apple rip off the HP slate when the HP slate ripped off the iPhone? Seriously, its the same design xD

I do hope you are joking.

I have a pocket PC that I bought many years before the iphone came out, it looks remarkably like a smaller slate.
 
The PCWorld article Windows 7 Tablets: Just Say No, Microsoft says
Unfortunately, Microsoft plans to retrofit Windows 7 to run on slates. While Win 7 is a fine operating system for conventional PCs, it was never designed for touch input, a shortcoming that makes it inherently clunky for the new breed of touchscreen tablets.​

Windows 7 was developed from the ground up with slates in mind, out of the box.
 
Funny I don't recall see an HP slate that I can actually buy!!
Maybe you haven't noticed that HP recently acquired a huge piece of IP in the form of arguably the best mobile OS on the market? Would you expect them to get a full tablet version of that up and running for the consumer market in a few weeks?
 
I'm very confused by all the Microsoft is doomed talked when they just had I believe their biggest quarter ever. I understand it's something that's not going to be reported on macrumors, but perhaps if people are going to talk about PCs and such, perhaps they should also read about them, instead of just being in the Apple universe.

Edit: They had their biggest 4th quarter ever.

John Gruber linked to a graphic of how MS's profits are generated; Windows and Office account for between 80% and 90% of profits. So no more than 20% comes from products that haven't been around for decades.

Good for MS that Windows 7 is popular where Vista wasn't, and Office is the standard all others are judged by, but there seems to be few products with growth options at MS.

Meanwhile, the only disappointment for Apple is AppleTV, and rumors of that getting the iOS treatment are rampant.

Yet another product space that Apple will get a healthy share of.

Let's face it. Google is Apple's competition, not MS.
 
I really don't understand how the top dog of this company is still on top. If a football coach consistently leads his team to failure, he gets canned in a couple years. Why does MS keep banging their head against the wall with this guy?
 
Define innovation! Here, we are talking about a device that has the same memory as a years-old iPod Touch (256MB) with a larger screen, a slightly stronger clock speed of 1GHz and an aluminium back. That's it. That is the product. You might call that innovation but I just call it 'spotting a gap in the market and having an old product that - with minimal changes - fills that gap'.

You can wash clothes with all sorts of chemicals and machinery, but when you realise that you can also wash it by hand and soap, that is not innovation. That is not re-inventing the wheel.

You would think that such a low barrier to entry, that there would have been many tablets available based on the iPod Touch and iPhone even before Apple delivered the iPad.

The innovation is the OS and the packaging the brings usable performance with extended battery life.

Innovation is hard, even if you deny it occurring. That's what's behind the lack of competition.
 
I guess people at HP would argue about that... They would probably say, it is the other way around - the software is the issue :p
Right you are.

At least HP was smart enough to throw in the towel in favor of their own, newly acquired platform, one which is actually designed for touch input.
 
MS is basically not a hardware company, except for some narrow segments (game consoles, keyboards, mice).

The MS business model is built on cooperating with hardware vendors to provide software that makes the hardware useful. (I know that for Apple followers the idea of "cooperating" is a difficult concept to grasp.)

Apple borrows a lot from Microsoft, Microsoft borrows a lot from Apple. To say that "MS is not innovative" is blind. What do you think that the Iphone would be like if you removed all features that depend on Microsoft touch-screen phone patents?

Sometimes, Microsoft is in the lead (how many times here have people said that the "Finder" is stone-age compared to "Explorer"?).

But anyway, Microsoft would not release a tablet product - hardware isn't where they want to be.

And yet MS and its parters did not release a tablet. They are not innovative. Big businesses can afford to patent all sorts of things so that when other, more innovative people/ companies do something with it, they make some money off of it.

MS did not make a phone that changed the industry. MS basically continues with the same product line of OS and applications and if others use them, then that's great for them. But that is not innovation.

I am not saying this out of some Apple vs. MS rant. I'm saying this as an observer. I would not buy MS stock. They seem to be resting on their laurels which can come back to bite a company.
 
And yet MS and its parters did not release a tablet. They are not innovative. Big businesses can afford to patent all sorts of things so that when other, more innovative people/ companies do something with it, they make some money off of it.

The thing is, tablet computing has been around since the early 90s, it's just that the technology (horsepower, screens, etc) wasn't there to really execute well.

Apple did an amazing job with the iPad, but they've also been developing tablets for a long time...aka the Newton.

I think MS and its partners will probably release a decent tablet or two. I think Apple will continue to do so, as well. Google, I'm sure, is already hard at work on making Android tablet friendly. I think the tech industry has changed so that there can multiple players all with decent market-share. No one company needs to dominate an industry.

IMO, the tech components have finally caught up with the usability aspects of tablet computing. Desktops > Laptops > Mobiles (iPods, cell phones, tablets). It's a pretty amazing trend.
 
And yet MS and its parters did not release a tablet. They are not innovative. Big businesses can afford to patent all sorts of things so that when other, more innovative people/ companies do something with it, they make some money off of it.

MS did not make a phone that changed the industry. MS basically continues with the same product line of OS and applications and if others use them, then that's great for them. But that is not innovation.

I am not saying this out of some Apple vs. MS rant. I'm saying this as an observer. I would not buy MS stock. They seem to be resting on their laurels which can come back to bite a company.
And now, suddenly, as if by revelation, tablets have been proclaimed a 'Job One Urgency.'

You are right, the "me too" company has been resting on its ever-diminishing laurels, which continue to gnaw at them.

Their flat-line stock-growth has been revealing, in this respect.
 
Many personal computers thirty years ago had chiclet keyboards. Especially if they were cheaper than other models.

Let me see. Tandy Color Computer (1980), TI-99/4A (1981), Mattel Aquarius (1983?), and so forth.

Sorry, meant laptop computer.
 
Microsoft not innovative, :) I had this POS in the 90's. :)D) i'm sorry to admit it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-0A8n4POU4

That's actually kinda cool...

MS probably just took someone else's product and slapped their label on it... ;)


You're off by a couple decades. Two computers from my youth come to mind:

Timex Sinclair 1000: http://oldcomputers.net/ts1000.html
TRS-80 Color Computer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer

Funny how this thread has turned into more a "retro-computing" discussion - maybe the MS Tablet is already "outdated"?

LOL...
 
The thing is, tablet computing has been around since the early 90s, it's just that the technology (horsepower, screens, etc) wasn't there to really execute well.
Until Apple delivered in a way which the industry unanimously doubted was feasible, with a highly innovative OS, form factor, and exceptional power and memory management.

With MS, in addition to hardware limitations and archaic designs, the software has been the unsurmountable hurdle here, unable to execute anything really well.

I hope it comes in brown!

Note to Ballmer: It isn't the hardware. Its the software nobody wants.

+1 for using your head and common sense! Probably the most spot-on comment I've seen in a long time.

Couldn't have been better stated.
 
As an owner of a 4 year old (going to 5) TC1100 tablet, I was hoping Apple would come out to replace my TC. But what a dissapointment for me to see Apple release an over size iPhone. You see, I been using my TC to do real work such as sketching using Photoshop and 3D using Maya. And I been waiting and waiting for tablet form factor, with a sylus, that has to power to even heavier work load. Yet, Apple releases a tablet that can't run a proper production software. And now you have companies trying to copy Apple, by redesigning tablet to be less powerfull. I been following the tablet market for a long time...looking for a tablet upgrade to replace my TC. My TC is the only the few tablet with proper GPU...rather than intergrated. Yet, all these tablet maker configures tablet with weak CPU/GPU and charges an arm and a leg. Don't blame MS for companies packaging weak tablet with premium price that nobody will buy...just stupid guy like me who needs it to do for real work. And if I want to see one, you pretty much have to buy it as they are hardly available in stores. The few that are in a stores are locked in brace that doesn't allow you to use it in a tablet form factor. After Apple released the iPad, I knew PC companies will follow and my search for a powerfull tablet is not going to happen. I ended up buying a fast laptop and a wacom that can run all my productive software. So, here's a guy looking for tablet and couldn't find a tablet...you see why tablets is not selling well.
 
As an owner of a 4 year old (going to 5) TC1100 tablet, I was hoping Apple would come out to replace my TC. But what a dissapointment for me to see Apple release an over size iPhone. You see, I been using my TC to do real work such as sketching using Photoshop and 3D using Maya. And I been waiting and waiting for tablet form factor, with a sylus, that has to power to even heavier work load. Yet, Apple releases a tablet that can't run a proper production software. And now you have companies trying to copy Apple, by redesigning tablet to be less powerfull. I been following the tablet market for a long time...looking for a tablet upgrade to replace my TC. My TC is the only the few tablet with proper GPU...rather than intergrated. Yet, all these tablet maker configures tablet with weak CPU/GPU and charges an arm and a leg. Don't blame MS for companies packaging weak tablet with premium price that nobody will buy...just stupid guy like me who needs it to do for real work. And if I want to see one, you pretty much have to buy it as they are hardly available in stores. The few that are in a stores are locked in brace that doesn't allow you to use it in a tablet form factor. After Apple released the iPad, I knew PC companies will follow and my search for a powerfull tablet is not going to happen. I ended up buying a fast laptop and a wacom that can run all my productive software. So, here's a guy looking for tablet and couldn't find a tablet...you see why tablets is not selling well.

Tablet doesn't have an Enter key, huh?
 
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