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Apple cares less about the actual infringement - it's a means to an end. They know that Samsung has turned a corner and is very much a real and viable threat with their newer devices in a way that Android phones haven't been to date.
 
i have an iPhone, 2 MacBooks, a cinema display, an iPad, an iPod Nano, and an iMac G4. I'm not in favor of this. This is bad for all consumers. Unless you are a huge shareholder or an executive at Apple, you shouldn't be in favor of this ban.

Agreed. This patent crap is getting out of hand.
 
Apple cares less about the actual infringement - it's a means to an end. They know that Samsung has turned a corner and is very much a real and viable threat with their newer devices in a way that Android phones haven't been to date.

And that is why I believe Apple has left Microsoft alone. It's not that Windows Phone is non-infringing, that's probably impossible in this day and age of software patents, it's just that going after them would probably mean that their own infringement of a couple of Microsoft patents would come out and the fact that Windows Phone has been completely irrelevant in the market.

Not worth the hassle basically. However Samsung is proving quite the threat as the primary Android OEM out there.
 
and to think yesterday I ditched my iPhone 4 and bought a brand new Galaxy Nexus!

I'm getting sick of the silly business, Apple you *are* becoming the new Microsoft and suck
 
and to think yesterday I ditched my iPhone 4 and bought a brand new Galaxy Nexus!

I'm getting sick of the silly business, Apple you *are* becoming the new Microsoft and suck

Not to be contrary - but Apple is being Apple. They aren't becoming Microsoft or any other company. The big difference (now) is that Apple isn't and hasn't been for some time - a rag-tag underdog company.
 
i have an iPhone, 2 MacBooks, a cinema display, an iPad, an iPod Nano, and an iMac G4. I'm not in favor of this. This is bad for all consumers. Unless you are a huge shareholder or an executive at Apple, you shouldn't be in favor of this ban.

Ditto! Well, not exactly the same Apple products. But a lot here too.
 
The problem is it leaves an image that Apple is actually gaining some major ground in their lawsuits. The reality is they've lost a lot more motions/patents/claims than they've won.

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Yeah, we don't. They were "5 years ahead of everyone" in 2007, and now for the last 2 years they've been catching up to Google as far as features go. What happened ? Google seems to have jumped 7 years ahead ?

Notification center, wifi sync, multi-tasking, OTA updates, iCloud, heck frickin' background images, all late to the party compared to other platforms.

What gives ? With their money in the bank, you'd think they could keep ahead, but the "Copycats" seem to be innovating new features faster than Apple at this point. As Apple is finally entering the online world with iOS 5/6 (iCloud, Siri, OTA), Google is now bringing all the online stuff to offline mode (true cached maps, voice control that doesn't send everything you say over the Internet...).

By far the most factual statement posted!

Google has by far innovated more than apple since the release of Froyo. it will be another year before apple considers something like offline mode for maps.
 
Voice is involved, but the biggest supposed infringement is the multiple search and how it's done:



Samsung argued that "each using a different heuristic" meant that each plug-in module had to use a different algorithm to infringe.

Apple successfully argued that "each" actually meant "each plurality".

That interpretation of the claim construction is a major reason why they got the injunction. Personally, I think it reads the way Samsung says, but apparently there's legal precedent for Apple's way. Upon such details hangs the world!

Of course one always tries to go for claim #1. Just saying that back in 2000 voice input was not workable very well. Patents don't have to work when patented..just need to patent the process.

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To bad our legal system does not have a way to punish things like that saying if it is invalidated we are going to greatly increase the punishment fees. It would also be nice if they could say it is pretty clear that Apple does not care if the patent is valid but instead they are just doing delaying with the crapent and as such strip Apple's right to request injunction until after a full trail.

That is silly. Patents are granted by the patent office. It is rather difficult to get by them an non innovative claim that leads to a patent.

But the US patent system makes mistakes (not saying this one is ;)), but the process is such that the courts finally make the decision, but only get involved when a lawsuit is done.

What you are saying is that the US patent office should be fined...not Apple. Good luck with that one!

So all of this is very normal...no one is being evil...that is a naive argument.
 
Patents are ugly for the consumer, but they are the life blood of companies small and large. How else can you justify spending $$ and time for developing products/processes/etc, if your potential competition only needs to sit around and drink coffee and reverse engineer your product?

That is why governments grant patents, even with the flaws.

If Google found a workaround to the patent, then it was forced to innovate. Isn't that the intention?

You are correct, but the issue is Apple has had some frivolous stuff making it hard to know when they are rightfully suing.

As far as Google (which I can't stand an longer due to privacy issues, so can believe I am saying this) they have been very innovative, and are not a clone of an iPhone. They are very different, and even Apple has copied them at times. With that said...before you look into Android phones, which are very nice, please check out Google's privacy policy before you buy in and make sure you are ok with the data they collect and use.
 
That is silly. Patents are granted by the patent office. It is rather difficult to get by them an non innovative claim that leads to a patent.

But the US patent system makes mistakes (not saying this one is ;)), but the process is such that the courts finally make the decision, but only get involved when a lawsuit is done.

What you are saying is that the US patent office should be fined...not Apple. Good luck with that one!

So all of this is very normal...no one is being evil...that is a naive argument.

Sadly our patent office is granting patents on more and more crap.

I am saying it should be the one sueing (aka Apple) that gets fined because if you are going to sue and demand that then you better be DAMN sure your patent is valid and can not be invalidated. Make the risk higher. It would get ride of our patent trolls which Apple is now the worlds largest one of them.
 
i have an iPhone, 2 MacBooks, a cinema display, an iPad, an iPod Nano, and an iMac G4. I'm not in favor of this. This is bad for all consumers. Unless you are a huge shareholder or an executive at Apple, you shouldn't be in favor of this ban.

I couldn't agree more.
 
it will be another year before apple considers something like offline mode for maps.

Heck, we don't even know how much of our Maps experience will be lowered by their switch to their own back-end. We're losing Street View on iOS for sure, what about actual cartography data though ? Bing maps is quite late compared to Google maps as far as new streets and street modifications go around here, Google maps being the most up to date. What about Apple ?

Also, quite a few issue have been spotted by developers. Lack of high res sattelite imagery that Google has, road rendering being poorer (narrower lignes making maps much harder to read), Improper labelling of areas, etc...

Will those be fixed ? People are trying to suggest the data is Beta quality, and that Apple has a "secret stash of production data somewhere", which I and many others highly doubt is the case.
 
You can't get mad every time there is a lawsuit. If there are patents being explicitly violated, which I am not saying is true here, the device should be blocked. I don't know enough details about the patents, and you haven't shown that you do, so I am not going to say whether or not the device should be blocked.

I may fall under the fanboy category, but quite honestly I don't really care anymore. I want to support a company based on how the product works. However, an equally important fact is I also want to support the company's products based on the philosophical premise that their foundation is based on. Maybe I'm a hippy with tech devices, who knows... it's just how I feel in regard to the products I'm using. If a company makes a great product, but it's a cut-throat patent trolling greedy fn bastard, I will choose to walk away and support a different company instead.


Judge how you want, I really don't care - but the bold text above is the reason I no longer support Apple.
 
I do not get all these ****ing lawsuits.

So they issue a possible workaround then they need not pay for previous infringement? In the similar case with HTC, HTC got around with kind of a fix and continue sell their devices. So what Apple got from all these lawsuits? Not a penny! Why Apple still continues these stupid lawsuits?

No the patch does not end the case. Samsung could still be liable for damages when the trial comes around. I am not aware of Apple dropping the case against HTC either. (So many case I can't keep track). The patch would allow Samsung to get around the preliminary injunction (if the court allowed it). It would not end the case or stop Apple from pursing damages.

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I may fall under the fanboy category, but quite honestly I don't really care anymore. I want to support a company based on how the product works. However, an equally important fact is I also want to support the company's products based on the philosophical premise that their foundation is based on. Maybe I'm a hippy with tech devices, who knows... it's just how I feel in regard to the products I'm using. If a company makes a great product, but it's a cut-throat patent trolling greedy fn bastard, I will choose to walk away and support a different company instead.


Judge how you want, I really don't care - but the bold text above is the reason I no longer support Apple.

If Apple did not pursue these things vigorously the market would be flooded like devices that are clones of the iPhone, but just work like crap. This is not good for consumers. It's not good for the company. It's only good for the cloner. Being known as a company that vigorously defends your IP is an asset in the technology industry.
Motorola sued Apple while firmly under Google's management control (even if the deal wasn't closed yet, it did have all the approvals). There is no way they can claim it was not with Google's blessing or even insistence. So where are you going to go? Samsung, no they sue people all the time. HTC? No. Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, IBM, Nokia, Microsoft? No.

Anyone who has made a successful product has probably sued someone from infringing on their IP. Apple is undeniably the most successful company in the industry over the past 5 years. The seemingly high number of lawsuits are a reflection of that.
 
I may fall under the fanboy category, but quite honestly I don't really care anymore. I want to support a company based on how the product works. However, an equally important fact is I also want to support the company's products based on the philosophical premise that their foundation is based on. Maybe I'm a hippy with tech devices, who knows... it's just how I feel in regard to the products I'm using. If a company makes a great product, but it's a cut-throat patent trolling greedy fn ****, I will choose to walk away and support a different company instead.


Judge how you want, I really don't care - but the bold text above is the reason I no longer support Apple.

So you don't like it if Apple sues at all for any kind of patent dispute? And like that other guy said, everyone sues. Apple probably (not real data here) has to sue more just because it is the largest company in the world, and it's targeted more often.
 
Sold my iPhone and got a Galaxy Nexus as soon as I heard this was happening. Much better phone I must say. Funny some of those features were in old windows and Nokia phones.
 
So you don't like it if Apple sues at all for any kind of patent dispute?

People don't get pissed when company sues another when there are actually grounds for it. Apple tries to sue everyone hoping to luck up and screw another business.
 
Android didn't even exist when this patent was filed in 2004. Does anyone here actually read anything anymore?

Android Inc. was founded in 2003, October to be more precise. Andy Rubin had already been working on mobile OSes since 1998, when he co-founded Danger Inc. though.
 
"Can't wait until Google sues Apple for ripping off the pull down notification menu in iOS. It will be hard to work around that one. But you know what they say, what goes around comes around."

Apple got their notification center from the jailbreak community and Andoids Os and the iOS versions works in two separate ways. The only Similarities is that you pull it down. *You can google it if you want I found it on a android website.
 
Like they do with OS X ? ;)

Yeah, it's annoying how they go 10.0, 10.1.... 10.8. They just want to keep the "X". I also don't like how they changed the name to OS X because it really doesn't make sense, and Mac OS would be more sensible. "What OS do you use? The tenth one?" "What OS do you use? Oh, the Mac one."

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"Can't wait until Google sues Apple for ripping off the pull down notification menu in iOS. It will be hard to work around that one. But you know what they say, what goes around comes around."

Apple got their notification center from the jailbreak community and Andoids Os and the iOS versions works in two separate ways. The only Similarities is that you pull it down. *You can google it if you want I found it on a android website.

A few people here said that Android and Apple both licensed that from one company, but I'm not sure.
 
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