Ban on Galaxy Nexus U.S. Sales Upheld, Software Patch to Circumvent Forthcoming

[rendevouspoo]

The only Similarities is that you pull it down.

You see. That's the problem. You say there are only similarities to the Android notification. What do you think Apple sues people for? Similarities. That's it. But somehow, it's okay when they sue for the petty stuff.

 

[Oletros]

Maybe if Apple changed the name for every minor patch, iOS users could feel special too.

They don't do that

 

[faroZ06]

People don't get **** when company sues another when there are actually grounds for it. Apple tries to sue everyone hoping to luck up and screw another business.

How do you know that they are suing on shaky grounds? Have you reviewed the patents carefully? They could be suing for actual copying of technology, or they could in fact be suing for no good reason.

I don't know the exact details about the lawsuit, but I'll just say right now that the court, which does know the details, is more likely to make a correct decision than a wrong one.

 

[KnightWRX]

No the patch does not end the case. Samsung could still be liable for damages when the trial comes around. I am not aware of Apple dropping the case against HTC either. (So many case I can't keep track). The patch would allow Samsung to get around the preliminary injunction (if the court allowed it). It would not end the case or stop Apple from pursing damages.

Indeed, Apple's patent may yet still be invalidated or Android's implementation found non-infringing too, and Samsung/Google could back out the patch at that point in time.

All possibilities that could happen. The patch is not the end.

If Apple did not pursue these things vigorously the market would be flooded like devices that are clones of the iPhone, but just work like crap.

How does protecting a Spotlight patent protect the market from that ?

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So you don't like it if Apple sues at all for any kind of patent dispute? And like that other guy said, everyone sues. Apple probably (not real data here) has to sue more just because it is the largest company in the world, and it's targeted more often.

The problem isn't so much the suing as it is asking for injunctions over smalltime patents before infringement is ruled on or patent validity is assessed.

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A few people here said that Android and Apple both licensed that from one company, but I'm not sure.

Google has had it since day 1 and filed for a patent on it in 2009. The patent is just not granted yet.

 

[unicorn025]

now apple is getting sued over siri in china, and that apple infringed trademark over the name snow leopard, seen this on flipboard.

 

[KnightWRX]

How do you know that they are suing on shaky grounds? Have you reviewed the patents carefully? They could be suing for actual copying of technology, or they could in fact be suing for no good reason.

Seeing how many patents have been invalidated so far, how many rulings of non-infringement have been made against Apple's claims, it's hard not to say Apple seems to be throwing as much crap as it can to see what sticks. For every victory they've had in court, they've had like 4-5 claims thrown out and lost a few patents in the process (just this week against HTC, they lost Slide-to-Unlock in the UK).

 

[kdarling]

Heck, we don't even know how much of our Maps experience will be lowered by their switch to their own back-end.

Lacking Street View is bad enough. I'd also miss the Terrain layer that Google added themselves.

Maybe if Apple changed the name for every minor patch, iOS users could feel special too.

Apple already makes users feel "special" because all our iOS devices get a common update version number to brag about, even though it rarely reflects a common set of features. E.g. MMS, video, voice conrol, multitasking, Siri.

That is silly. Patents are granted by the patent office. It is rather difficult to get by them an non innovative claim that leads to a patent.

Not so difficult, judging from all the patent challenges these days.

A few years back, a couple of major things changed at the USPTO. First, it became less work to grant a patent than to deny it. Secondly, the way that patent examiners' work is evaluated changed, so that output quantity counted more. Put those two together, and it's easy to see the logical outcome.

If Apple did not pursue these things vigorously the market would be flooded like devices that are clones of the iPhone, but just work like crap. This is not good for consumers. It's not good for the company.

Balderdash, except for the part about the company

That's like saying, oh if everyone can flick to scroll, we'll be flooded with cheap clones that can do that. So what. We'll also be flooded with nice competing devices as well.

Common capabilities, features and UIs are good for consumers. They shouldn't have to relearn common actions.

Companies don't like it because it makes it easier for consumers to switch brands. That's why we have silly stuff lke proprietary cables, which we tried to get rid of 30 years ago.

 

[Seiga]

Like they do with OS X ?

Beat me to it :thumbup:

 

[Mrobvious347]

We've got 3 android phones in the family and 2 apple tv's. I appreciate their simplicity and "it just works". However, makes me want to get rid of my apple tv's. This really sucks for everyone..........

This doesn't suck for anybody you people are getting all emotional over nothing. Whatever happens in a court room isn't going to effect how ya apple tv works an share holders and investors aren't losing money either. Would you stop using ya car if it's rival competitor sued it over car features and technology. No. These so called patent wars have been going own before anybody can remember. I'm sure Sony would start hanging people if Microsoft started putting blu ray players in there Xbox's

 

[Mal]

Android Inc. was founded in 2003, October to be more precise. Andy Rubin had already been working on mobile OSes since 1998, when he co-founded Danger Inc. though.

I find it interesting that Steve Wozniak, technically still employee #1 at Apple, was on the Board of Directors for Danger, Inc. That's how I found out about them originally, around 2001. No real intent here, just find it an interesting series of events.

jW

 

[iTard]

This doesn't suck for anybody you people are getting all emotional over nothing. Whatever happens in a court room isn't going to effect how ya apple tv works an share holders and investors aren't losing money either. Would you stop using ya car if it's rival competitor sued it over car features and technology. No. These so called patent wars have been going own before anybody can remember. I'm sure Sony would start hanging people if Microsoft started putting blu ray players in there Xbox's

Sony alone did not create bluray technology, get your facts straight, son.

 

[devilstrider]

This doesn't suck for anybody you people are getting all emotional over nothing. Whatever happens in a court room isn't going to effect how ya apple tv works an share holders and investors aren't losing money either. Would you stop using ya car if it's rival competitor sued it over car features and technology. No. These so called patent wars have been going own before anybody can remember. I'm sure Sony would start hanging people if Microsoft started putting blu ray players in there Xbox's

Lol, Sony did not create blu-ray. Microsoft can join the blu-ray association and use blu-ray at anytime.

 

[roasted]

So you don't like it if Apple sues at all for any kind of patent dispute? And like that other guy said, everyone sues. Apple probably (not real data here) has to sue more just because it is the largest company in the world, and it's targeted more often.

Apple isn't targeted anymore than they've convinced themselves. So many of their patent arguments are nothing short of hysterical.

People don't get pissed when company sues another when there are actually grounds for it. Apple tries to sue everyone hoping to luck up and screw another business.

rendevouspoo nailed it 100% dead on. If Apple had a legitimate argument, I wouldn't have a problem with them suing. But the fact that they're exploiting the patent system in the effort to make a dollar and further eliminate competition yet run around saying they welcome competition is easily the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. That's why I chose to stop using their products.

 

[funkybudda]

hmm

surprised this site didnt post about these bits of news:

http://www.talkandroid.com/120579-apple-sued-in-china-for-patent-infringement-involving-siri-video/

http://www.talkandroid.com/120530-u-k-judge-htc-doesnt-infringe-apple-patents/

How about a taste of their own medicine for Apples eh?

 

[berenpx]

Although Nokia started it all, I can find just a single instance where an Android manufacturer attacked first, and that was Motorola, well before Google indicated any intentions of acquiring it. Google allowed HTC to use its patents to defend Android, and is buying Motorola Mobility mostly to strengthen its .

I can't really blame Nokia for starting it all. After spending billions of dollars in R&D over a 20 year period developing GSM, GPRS, EDGE, W-CDMA, HSPA, LTE, Wi-Fi technologies, email software, power consumption and antenna technology used in mobile handsets, it was probably a nasty surprise for Nokia when Apple blatantly refused to pay royalties for licensing many of these standards essential patents under Frand (fair reasonable and non-discriminatory) terms - instead choosing to fight Nokia in the courts - until they of course lost spectacularly.

 

[kdarling]

Although Nokia started it all, I can find just a single instance where an Android manufacturer attacked first, and that was Motorola,

And even that doesn't count as a true first strike:

Motorola had been trying to negotiate with Apple over patents, when they reportedly heard through the grapevine that Apple was going to launch a sneak lawsuit against them.

Motorola's lawyers scrambled and were able to file a lawsuit against Apple shortly before Apple's lawyers filed the one they had been preparing all along.

(This allowed Motorola to determine where the hearings would be held, instead of Apple getting to decide, and it made Apple have to go a bit on the defensive.)

 

[faroZ06]

If Apple had a legitimate argument, I wouldn't have a problem with them suing. But the fact that they're exploiting the patent system in the effort to make a dollar and further eliminate competition yet run around saying they welcome competition is easily the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. That's why I chose to stop using their products.

Again, how do you know that they're exploiting the patent system with dumb lawsuits? You haven't looked carefully at the patents in dispute.

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now apple is getting sued over siri in china, and that apple infringed trademark over the name snow leopard, seen this on flipboard.

Apple also got sued by Tiger Direct back when they released Tiger, which is pretty funny.

 

[Seiga]

Again, how do you know that they're exploiting the patent system with dumb lawsuits? You haven't looked carefully at the patents in dispute.

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Apple also got sued by Tiger Direct back when they released Tiger, which is pretty funny.

The Patent system is completely broke. Many analysts agree too. It is so easy to manipulate.

 

[Seiga]

On the bright side, Jelly Bean has been bumped up to Next week thanks to Apple when Google relaunches the Galaxy Nexus. Thanks Apple!

 

[KnightWRX]

Again, how do you know that they're exploiting the patent system with dumb lawsuits? You haven't looked carefully at the patents in dispute.

Again : by the fact that Apple has lost more motions/claims than they have won. They've also even lost patents over the whole ordeal, having them invalidated after trying to use them against other competitors.

That is how we perceive Apple to be abusing the patent system to slow down the competition.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Again, how do you know that they're exploiting the patent system with dumb lawsuits? You haven't looked carefully at the patents in dispute.

Well by the fact we have seen patent trolls sue with better patents.
Apple is sueing left and right with crapents. Yes crapents. Things that should not of been granted a patent in the first place. Multiple ones have been tossed out and declaried invalid. I believe more than one judge even told apple off saying it is pretty clear this is not about protecting IP but about trying to slow others down. I would not be surpised in the future Apple is going to be told to pay legal fees plus damages to the companies they are suing with their crapents. I fully expect them to be out the 100 mil on this bond and then some.

Apple is the worlds largest patent troll right now. It is one thing to have crapents. It is another to sue with them left and right and try to use them as weapons.

 

[hjoneshjones]

Wow, this is absolute trash. Consumers are the ones that suffer from this crap. I was actually holding out to see the new iPhone but after seeing this petty garbage I may just get the samsung galaxy s3. I'm actually impartial...i'm typing on my macbook, have had every iPad, and I have an HTC Rezound as my phone. I just use whatever is best for my needs. I like having that OPTION as a consumer. Sounds like someone is getting insecure about themselves so they feel the need to go to "the man".

 

[buddgeez]

I think apple is sad because the new Google search blows siri out of the water.

 

[viewfly]

Not so difficult, judging from all the patent challenges these days.

A few years back, a couple of major things changed at the USPTO. First, it became less work to grant a patent than to deny it. Secondly, the way that patent examiners' work is evaluated changed, so that output quantity counted more. Put those two together, and it's easy to see the logical outcome.

Not that easy. I have about 20 patents myself, and it can be a stuff process. Not as stuff as decades ago, when one needed to bring a working model to the US office, but hard enough.

and the more patents granted, the easier it is for the examiner to reject your claims based on prior art keywords.

 

[kis]

I think apple is sad because the new Google search blows siri out of the water.

Don't say that aloud here or someone might cancel your account.