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Barclays: All 2019 iPhones May Lack 3D Touch, New AirPods and Lower-Priced HomePod to Launch Next Year

Agit21 said:
3d touch is useless, press and hold works better.
In iOS 12 there is zero reason for 3d touch since you can press and hold the spacebar and move the cursor around.
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This is the beta you’re referring to right?

What about 3D Touch for navigation + text selection as you navigate?

3D Touch solved a number of issues that apparently was not done with long press before. How would you suggest navigation to a word, then selecting text would be implemented? Hmm.
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nelsonammo said:
Seems like 3D touch was one of those features where they "innovated for the sake of being innovative." It didn't really seem to solve any problems and is just one more thing that people need to learn how to use. And can't it just be replicated with a long press?
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Seems like a lot of users actually don’t use 3D Touch enough. How do you suggest a clean uninterrupted view of text would be implemented for navigation and if extra selection? Mm-hmmm
 
Rogifan said:
What indication is there for long press? Should we get rid of that too?
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This is one of my longstanding beefs (the abomination that is iTunes ranks right up there as well), applicable to 3D Touch in addition to long press when it tries to substitute for 3D Touch).

A lot of users don’t even seem to know 3D Touch exists. And who can blame them? The UI for 3D Touch has always sucked, with no indication whatsoever where it’s usable. That violates a prime tenet of good UI. Requiring knowledge “in the head” vs. having that knowledge being presented “in the world” is not good UI.
 
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They use 3D Touch as an excuse to raise the price of Apple Care and screen replacement too. Then it went ridiculously more expensive on iPhone X because of OLED display. Guess what those prices is not gonna come down even when they get rid of 3D Touch functionality. Almighty dollar wins again!
 
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BMcCoy said:
'long press' on my iphone SE does the majority of the things '3d touch' does on the X..

not all, but the majority.
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I was thinking this on my galaxy s7.... Long press brings up context menus. Kind of similar anyway? Not sure 3d touch will be overly missed by many...
 
dannyyankou said:
The 3D Touch trackpad is reason enough to keep it.
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Exactly. I do a lot of typing on the iPhone and I use that feature all the time! It's so easy to just press hard into the keyboard with my thumb and drag the cursor around, and it's easier to select text as well.
 
I’m shocked how many people use it. I never bothered and no one I know uses it either. Maybe it’s the fact it was very limited in its first implementation and I kind of gave up on it.

Maybe I’ll have to try it again.
 
"As a somewhat hidden feature, perhaps Apple no longer finds it essential."

I guess users found it essential otherwise they wouldn't have wanted it. Perhaps Apple's realizing it didn't take off as good as they thought it would have.

One of the first things i do when setting up my phone is disable 3D Touch.
 
Removing 3D Touch will reduce the cost of the iPhone production by another $50-100 dollar, yet they are increasing the prices every year.
This is how you can become a trillion dollar company!
 
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WannaGoMac said:
Good riddance to 3D touch. It confuses all the non-techys so I turn it off on all their devices, and for myself I can barely remember when it is available as their is no visual cue that it's available. And when it is there at same time as Long press messes up what I am trying to long press. Really just horrible idea..

Apple keeps gunking up their interface wiht more and more invisible things you have to remember are there...it's really gotten bad. So I am not at all surprised they're removing this thing.
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... (first tine I’ve finally understood the purpose of using this of itself and able to use it)

Rogifan said:
What indication is there for long press? Should we get rid of that too?
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Excellent rebuttal. There is no visual queue for long press. Like 3D Touch’s introduction all users where explained how to use it first in an iOS/iPhone announcement at WWDC or iPhone event, then again during initial iOS setup. Just like the haptic home button!

For those that dislike 3D Touch don’t use it or disable it in settings.

Personally I’m havig more difficulty getting precise control of 3D Touch in my 2018 MBP. I’ve not owned a Mac that has this, and the Magic TrackPad Gen 1 never had this level of sensitivity. E.g. double tapping on ‘18 MBP is disabled by default, and click to select n drag is really throwing me off. Haven’t bothered to mess with preferences yet because I’m learning to adjust.
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smizzle said:
I have a pair of the Beats X which use the same W1 chip, so I'm ok to wait until September just to be sure. I have a newborn and mainly want to get AirPods for when I'm up in the middle of the night with them. The Beats are fine for now but once the baby get a little older and start grabbing everything, the AirPods will be a life saver.
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Lol. Wait what? So when your newborn reaches 6/7 months old and starts grabbing showing perfect baby strength and dexterity you think AirPods are going to be better at preventing grabbing? I got 2 words for you as a new parent:

Snatch + gulp!

Please Note: your significant other will scream at you with the highest levels of pitch and notes an orchestra vocalist has ever produced when seeing your babies face turn blue while suffocating on an AirPod. Also note you’ll usually only have one hand free with above execution happens.

- my son, almost 20yrs ago loved his mother’s earings ;)
 
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I don't think they'll get rid of 3D touch without implementing something similar or a new input method, like hovering.
They might as well replace it with long touch across the system and call it a day, I wouldn't be happy but it could work.
My main usage of 3D touch was app switching, but iPhone X makes it easier than before, the second use is on the keyboard as a trackpad. I only seldom use it on an app icon to open the menu and usually is for accessing a specific feature of Camera.app like the selfie. They could replace it with long press and I'd be ok with that, but what about the keyboard? A long press on certain letters opens the popup to chose an alternative letter with accent, so force touch is still necessary.
 
Tech198 said:
"As a somewhat hidden feature, perhaps Apple no longer finds it essential."

I guess users found it essential otherwise they wouldn't have wanted it. Perhaps Apple's realizing it didn't take off as good as they thought it would have.

One of the first things i do when setting up my phone is disable 3D Touch.
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It is said on these forums that people don’t use Touch ID either. While I don’t understand that, I love using 3DT.
 
Falhófnir said:
3D Touch and Haptics quite possibly the single most innovative feature of iPhones in recent times and area that Apple have a significant lead in and it’s being binned for, what, extra profit presumably?
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Yeah it's easy to have a significant lead when other manufactures don't care about this feature at all.
Long press on Android is implemented well, it makes sense and doesn't add cost of effort for phone manufacturers.
If the apps doesn't support any long press actions you can still access some app important setting like below.
It's like a right click/ proprieties on Windows.
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ZEEN0j said:
Apple will not remove 3D Touch. First you spend years developing the technology and the software. Then you keep on adding it to many more devices than the Apple Watch (macbook, Magic Trackpad, iPhone). Then you slowly with updates add more features. To then out of nowhere remove it. Well spent money and time
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While I’m a frequent user of 3dtouch myself, what you’ve just presented is a ribbon-wrapped example of the sunk-cost fallacy.

If people aren’t using it or it’s not a compelling feature, there’s not much point in Apple spending even more money to put it in even more phones. Learn when to talk away.

That said, I hope they don’t bin it, I find it very useful and have the muscle memory for it.
 
marmiteturkey said:
While I’m a frequent user of 3dtouch myself, what you’ve just presented is a ribbon-wrapped example of the sunk-cost fallacy.

If people aren’t using it or it’s not a compelling feature, there’s not much point in Apple spending even more money to put it in even more phones.
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You've hit the nail on the head. Apple loves to say how easy it is to switch from Android to iOS. If people on Android have no concept of "3D Touch" and Apple doesn't promote it why expect new users to even know it's a thing?
 
marmiteturkey said:
While I’m a frequent user of 3dtouch myself, what you’ve just presented is a ribbon-wrapped example of the sunk-cost fallacy.

If people aren’t using it or it’s not a compelling feature, there’s not much point in Apple spending even more money to put it in even more phones. Learn when to talk away.

That said, I hope they don’t bin it, I find it very useful and have the muscle memory for it.
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3D Touch though is not the first feature people have no idea about. I agree though Apple could promote it better and incorporate it more.
 
Never use 3D touch, so no big deal. Don't get what the big deal with 3D touch is anyhow.
 
ZEEN0j said:
Apple will not remove 3D Touch. First you spend years developing the technology and the software. Then you keep on adding it to many more devices than the Apple Watch (macbook, Magic Trackpad, iPhone). Then you slowly with updates add more features. To then out of nowhere remove it. Well spent money and time
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You actually described perfectly the life cycle of every tech ever released.
 
I rarely use ForceTouch. Not intuitive to me. But if Apple are serious about this feature it should be in every new iOS device or else in none.
 
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