Barclays on iPhone 12 Lineup: No EarPods in Box and Possibly Not Even a Charger

[DownUnderDan]

From an ecological viewpoint that sounds like a really good idea. Let people buy chargers as accessories if they really need one. Sooner or later, Apple will kill the physical charging port anyway.

Yeah you see I am taking the money that should give you a charger, I'm just not giving you one because of the environment. Its the same reason when you buy a car from my brothers car yard, there is no fuel in the tank and we expect you to push the car off the lot. Its better for the environment that way.

 

[Rocko99991]

From an ecological viewpoint that sounds like a really good idea. Let people buy chargers as accessories if they really need one. Sooner or later, Apple will kill the physical charging port anyway.

I actually like this. I don't use the supplied chargers as I have better alternatives.

 

[Hockey_Gym]

No one knows yet what demand the new 5.4 iPhone will see. Maybe packaging the charger separately could allow Apple flexibility to allocate units to the markets they’re in most demand?

 

[roland.g]

Even though the W1 manages other functions, it's at least in part a BT transceiver chip. So, if Apple has allowed bugs in its implementation of the BT stack, for example, those bugs very much could also affect AirPods.

The problem could also stem from multiple bugs in various software components... Or could be a hardware failure -- though I would put that at the bottom of the list of possibilities.

I’m so used to the old earbuds being a mic on the right and I almost exclusively use my AirPods for phone calls (I use them for working out sometimes but for music listening I use my Beats Studio3) and so I almost always throw the right one only in my ear for a call. As a result it hardly holds a charge anymore and I’ve had to switch to using the left more. But I don’t need two to do a call.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Only Pro users get to power their devices back up after the first battery cycle.

 

[MacBH928]

This reminds of that time when I wen to a local shop that sold me a printer but didn't carry the ink cartridges for it, how am I supposed to use it?

Honestly, the earpods are a luxury extra, no device out there ship with an earpod except maybe walkman. I thought Apple included them as a sign of "luxury" of the iphone.

I think a nice middle ground is that Apple would include the charger in a smaller packaging inside the iphone box, and those who own a plethora of chargers and do not need it can simply exchange it at anywhere for like $5 and the store can just sell them for like $15 as "original Apple chargers" for those who are looking for one. Win for the consumer, win for the store, win for the environment.

I must say, I feel bad having to through away perfectly working used ethernet cable, power supply, or HDMI because my new device came with an included one.

 

[Gasu E.]

There will be a charger.

Why not bundles, rather than a specific one-size-fits all item? That's how they sell computers.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Exactly. Who would ship a phone without any way to charge it? Think of people who are buying their first phone and don't already have a collection of chargers. That's a stupid thing to report.

The whole point of the EU's push to standardise chargers was that every electronic device wouldn't have to ship with a charger, as everyone would already have a few, thus reducing landfill waste. This is an inevitable, and very good thing.

 

[russell_314]

Nobody said anybody needs another charger.

A lot of people disagreeing with things I never said today.

I'm really confused here. The article was about not including headphones and chargers. You said "Just donate them." I mentioned headphones and you said "Nobody said anything about headphones. We were talking about chargers." So now we're not talking about donating chargers because no one needs another?

My point was since so many users don't need more headphones or chargers have them sold separately to reduce e waste and cost. This way only the people who need them would buy it.

 

[cmaier]

I'm really confused here. The article was about not including headphones and chargers. You said "Just donate them." I mentioned headphones and you said "Nobody said anything about headphones. We were talking about chargers." So now we're not talking about donating chargers because no one needs another?

My point was since so many users don't need more headphones or chargers have them sold separately to reduce e waste and cost. This way only the people who need them would buy it.

I said ”just donate them” in response to a message about chargers.

 

[russell_314]

I said ”just donate them” in response to a message about chargers.

To whom and why? Also it would be better for the environment and my pocketbook if wasn't required to by something to just donate. Why not when the chargers are sold separately you buy a bunch and donate them? I mean it's a great idea right?

 

[cmaier]

To whom and why? Also it would be better for the environment and my pocketbook if wasn't required to by something to just donate. Why not when the chargers are sold separately you buy a bunch and donate them? I mean it's a great idea right?

I also explained to whom and why. Why: if you don’t need them, donating them is better than throwing them out. To whom: hospitals, hotels, homeless shelters, anyplace where people go where they spend time, aren’t at home, and find themselves in need of a charger.

 

[MacGizmo]

These guys don’t know anything.

Oh, they know plenty... just not about the iPhone, the Mac or Apple in general. What they do know is that they can get their investor clients to buy/sell on this type of horsepoop reporting – and that's all they're after.

They honestly don't care if it's true or not, just that it's remotely plausible. That's why their sources are always "I got a guy" or "people in the know" or the ever-popular "supply chain."

5 seconds of thinking would tell most people you cannot ship a phone of any kind without a charger of some sort in the box - but they're dealing with multi-million dollar investors who aren't wasting time thinking about things they pay these idiot "analysts" to think about for them.

 

[Deliro]

I don't know... What do you think will happen if the iPhone goes totally port-less as rumours suggest, do you see them packing a wireless charging pad in the box?

There was also a Nintendo 3DS model released some years ago that came with no charger.

I doubt that the iPhone will go wireless any time soon. The market is not ready for such a huge leap. There are times that you need to charge your device, that you wouldn’t haves access to a wireless charging pad, unless you toted it around all the time.

While I could be wrong, I know I doubted Apple’s drive-less MacBook Air a decade or so again, but this is a bit different.

 

[farewelwilliams]

I'd vote for allowing the user to check a box saying they want a 5W charger and it'll be shipped along with the box. Apple would probably break even on costs but at least the ewaste would be reduced.

 

[LizKat]

How about the cost of 100s of millions of chargers going to the landfill? Most folks have more chargers than devices already, and they all pretty much opt for faster chargers than the default in the box. Just sayin'. There are all sorts of "costs".

Valid points. Still think Apple should offer a choice at this point, considering the damn phones cost over a thousand bucks: you buy one and "for free" --or okay, for five bucks extra, to weed out people who just can't pass up "free" whether they need it or not-- you also get to pick either a set of earpods or a fast charger and they're not packaged up with the phone but separately as when one just buys such an accessory.

 

[kwilzz_]

Can't imagine buying (or selling for that matter) a device you can't plug in to charge out of the box

 

[Tech198]

i like the idea of separate purchase... I have my packaged iphone 6S plus, but my earbuds are stowed to gather dust... If people want earpods they can get them themselves separately.

These days anyone can charge their phones from their computers, and i would say, better than plugging in a charger...

I don't use AC fo my iPhone 6s Plus, as most powerstrips nowdays include USB ports..and most new Macs have USB-C. IF and when powerboards have USB-C, then that'll be another option. (if Apple opens that up)

Can't remeber the last time I used AC charger on iphone/ipad's

 

[Abazigal]

How about the cost of 100s of millions of chargers going to the landfill? Most folks have more chargers than devices already, and they all pretty much opt for faster chargers than the default in the box. Just sayin'. There are all sorts of "costs".

I think the concern is that Apple will simply use this as an excuse to get away with including less in the box.

There are two ways of looking at this. One is that the savings from not having to include these peripherals would go towards offsetting the higher costs of designing and manufacturing these iPhones. The other camp would see it that Apple is simply charging the same (or even more) for less.

Personally, my charger is still sitting in my box, and I have been using usb hubs to charge all my accessories. Just got this baby a month back.

 

[russell_314]

I also explained to whom and why. Why: if you don’t need them, donating them is better than throwing them out. To whom: hospitals, hotels, homeless shelters, anyplace where people go where they spend time, aren’t at home, and find themselves in need of a charger.

I think this is a good idea. TBH I really try not to throw anything electronic out but I don't think we have any recycling place here that takes it. The local government here has been dumping stuff people put in the recycle bin in the landfill
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I think the concern is that Apple will simply use this as an excuse to get away with including less in the box.

There are two ways of looking at this. One is that the savings from not having to include these peripherals would go towards offsetting the higher costs of designing and manufacturing these iPhones. The other camp would see it that Apple is simply charging the same (or even more) for less.

Personally, my charger is still sitting in my box, and I have been using usb hubs to charge all my accessories. Just got this baby a month back.

I love Anker chargers!

 

[crcuilla]

This reminds of that time when I wen to a local shop that sold me a printer but didn't carry the ink cartridges for it, how am I supposed to use it?

Except, of course, it will be not at all like that.

If this rumor is true Apple will absolutely have chargers available. They might simply be unbundling them.

 

[Tech198]

I think the concern is that Apple will simply use this as an excuse to get away with including less in the box.

There are two ways of looking at this. One is that the savings from not having to include these peripherals would go towards offsetting the higher costs of designing and manufacturing these iPhones. The other camp would see it that Apple is simply charging the same (or even more) for less.

Apple *reducing* cost ? . I don't think Apple's in the 'deals" category for long periods. (..excludes Refurb. store where you save $100 thereoff.

 

[Abstract]

Imagine a laptop not including a charger. I can’t.

I don’t see why it would be more acceptable for them not to include one with a phone.

BTW, I don’t have a drawer filled with USB-C chargers at home. I wish I had, but Apple stuck with Lightning for too long. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Hieveryone]

"And in order to reduce energy consumption, we've decided not to include a charger. Good luck!"

Lol

 

[russell_314]

Imagine a laptop not including a charger. I can’t.

I don’t see why it would be more acceptable for them not to include one with a phone.

BTW, I don’t have a drawer filled with USB-C chargers at home. I wish I had, but Apple stuck with Lightning for too long. 🤷🏻‍♂️

The difference is most laptop chargers aren't universal even with the same brand. The Asus laptop charger I got from my 2011 model won't work with the one from 2014 and neither works for the 2018 model I bought. The charger I got from my iPhone 5 works with the iPhone 5S, iPhone 5C, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone SE, iPhone 6S, iPhone 6S Plus, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone X, iPhone XR, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, and iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone SE(2?). I can say the same for Samsung phones on from their S7 line.

As to why it would more acceptable for them not to include one with a phone it's because there's no logic in selling people a charger when they don't need one. Chargers far outlast the phone for many people. It's just spending unnecessary money and it makes e-waste. Why is it such a bad thing being sold separately?

The ultimate goal would be selling phones and laptops with the charger separate. You would keep your older charger since it still works. This is why the EU is pushing USB C.