Base 2019 13-Inch MacBook Pro is Up to 83% Faster Than Previous Generation in Benchmarks

[Zdigital2015]

LOL
You mean like caring to not support the majority of cards? Or like putting a seriously crippled GPU into the Mini, and not even bothering to offer upgrades except for external workarounds with compromises?

By majority of cards, you mean NVIDIA...which I have already explained many times over why Apple is not going to support or let back in the door. They had their chance (NVIDIA) and they simply ****ed it up enough that they are persona non grata in Cupertino. Apple isn't known as an easy partner, but how did they (NVIDIA) manage to **** up that bad to be permanently off the list? AMD screwed up and yet, here they are. If this is your benchmark, take it somewhere else, I don't care.

That crippled GPU is Intel's mainstream part that Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo, et al. have no problem selling to you in a PC or a laptop all day long and twice on Tuesday in expandable and non-expandable systems. Please spare me the sanctimony of crying about Apple selling it in a single model instead of product line after product line with a straight face. I'll grant you that someone in the driver department need to erase the mouse stutter and such, but I'll take a 65w TDP CPU in the mini and an eGPU if I really need it over Kaby Lake-G any day. The 20 extra watts the current CPUs use over putting in 45w TDP H-Series was never going to power enough of a GPU to make a difference anyways. And the form factor stayed the way it is for a multitude of reasons.

eGPUs are viable for many, many people who want them or need them. No, it isn't a full on x16 PCIe slot, but users seem to doing just fine. Perhaps, Thunderbolt 4 will arrive and give users another x4 lanes and get it to x8 PCIe 3, which is plenty of bandwidth for the majority of GPUs still in the year 2019. Again, if this is about making sure Lara Croft's t*ts are detailed enough or you can see all the extra charms and crap you paid for to equip your Fortnite character, take it somewhere else, I don't care.

But, yes, Apple does care deeply about GPUs.

 

[grrrz]

that's the same score the 4 thunderbolt model has. it's not clear how the 1.7 Ghz model scores lower though. or there's some confusion in this article.

 

[blackhand1001]

So the 1.4 Ghz quad core is faster than the 2.4 Ghz quad core? There has to be more to this.

Geekbench is a terrible benchmark and people need to stop using it. Its not doing anything long enough for the turbo clock to run out and drop down to the base clock. Do anything like rendering a video and it will drop like crazy.

 

[manu chao]

It does pain me that, in Q2 2020(!), the likely next revision of the 15-inch or 16-inch MacBook Pro will have ten cores… but still not 10nm. Which means still no Sunny Cove. No LPDDR4. Minor improvements since Skylake.

From the glass-half-full perspective, my seven-year old Mac is only one process node behind what is used in the Macs released this year.

 

[lec0rsaire]

Decent update. We'll have to wait the post Ive designs to roll out to see substantial changes.

We just did last year when for the 1st time since 2010 or so Intel increased the amount of cores across the board due to competition from AMD. It doesn’t depend on Apple, it depends on Intel. It depends on 10nm. Intel’s 10nm chips will also have their significantly improved iGPU design.

People think that Jony is responsible for thinness and thinness is responsible for holding back performance. Guess what? Smaller fab processes lead to smaller devices. That’s why smartphones were possible. That’s why nearly all notebooks are ultra books. The goal with portable devices is a balance between performance and energy efficiency. A notebook that discharges within 1.5-2 hours is useless. Portable devices also have a battery capacity ceiling of 100 Wh.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Actually, I agree:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...2-security-chip.2189156/page-10#post-27531381

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...2-security-chip.2189156/page-11#post-27532763

Which is why I think Apple shipped these now, rather than wait a few months until Ice Lake-U is scheduled and ship much nicer ones (in theory) then: Apple either isn't confident Intel can ship in volume, or Intel themselves aren't either and wouldn't commit to the volume Apple was asking.

(Not to mention we don't know when or if Intel would ship an Ice Lake-U Iris Plus at 15W. They haven't for Kaby Lake R nor Whiskey Lake.)



I mean, AMD's competition is appreciated and may have been an influence on Coffee Lake-H going 6 and 8 cores, but I'd like to see AMD go to the laptop market. There are hardly any Ryzen laptops out there, and Ryzen 3 so far offers no parts.



It does pain me that, in Q2 2020(!), the likely next revision of the 15-inch or 16-inch MacBook Pro will have ten cores… but still not 10nm. Which means still no Sunny Cove. No LPDDR4. Minor improvements since Skylake.

I agree 100%, ship now and have plenty in the pipeline for the holidays. I think Intel has hosed themselves and just won't admit it.

I would love for AMD to release something competitive in the laptop space, but even though they are firing on all cylinders (mostly), they just don't seem to have the bandwidth that Intel has to get into these markets. I think they are expanding as fast as they actually can...I would hope the Dr Su is a disciplined CEO and is taking a measured approach to entering markets. Right now, they are still 2 Navi GPUs short and the rollout has been interminable.

I truly think Intel hit a wall and cannot admit to themselves. It has been stated many times that Sandy Bridge was the last big tectonic shift and they are right - https://www.anandtech.com/show/1404...el-core-i7-2600k-testing-sandy-bridge-in-2019

 

[Count Blah]

What % of people actually write iOS apps? I personally know exactly zero. But it seems people love to have their reasons to knock a product they don’t prefer.

The solution is really easy. Just don’t call it a replacement for a computer, unless you qualify it by saying, ‘only for basic applications.’

But since the pro-iPadPro folks never do this, we have this eternal argument.

Utter a universal statement that is incorrect for all cases and you should expect some degree of blowback.

 

[cppguy]

Yes, when I'm running Xcode builds that take 10+ minutes.

Here's how I look at it. I rarely make changes that require a full rebuild. Most of the time my compiler finishes in 6 seconds (C++) or half a second (C#).

Maybe a 13" model is not for pros, but the 15" is a proven workhorse. You can do basic 4K video editing on the go. Maybe the final export is faster on an iMac, but the bulk of the video editing process can be done on a high-end 15" MBP. I presume the 16" model will be even better cooled.

I'm a fan of desktop machines. I connect even my laptops to an external display, keyboard and mouse. But the higher-end ultrabooks are workhorses for almost all tasks.

I'm not so sure about the iPad Pro. Even with the new file system, mouse support, side-by-side multitasking, it's not even close to a real laptop. Try to edit photos or videos with a pencil, you're not nearly as productive, or at least I'm not. It's a frustrating experience when I know how to do it instantly on any computer, but it's not so easy on an iPad. As an external pen-display, that's where it really shines. I bought my iPad because on the pencil, and that alone.

 

[noraa]

Impressive numbers. Too bad the 15" didn't get an update.

Um, the 15” got an update to an 8 core processor like a month ago.

 

[lec0rsaire]

Apple being 5th largest PC maker, they are nothing special to Intel. I suspect they order unique models to avoid direct comparisons with other PC models (in specs and prices). They just want to look "special" (and charge special prices).

No, no and no. Look at the CPUs Apple uses in their 13” MBP and look at the CPUs EVERYONE ELSE USES. There is one big difference.

IRIS. The 128 MB L4 cache. Every other OEM only has weak Intel HD/UHD across the board. While Iris is no dGPU it provides enough performance to run FCP and other well optimized apps satisfactorily.

This is why Apple didn’t upgrade the base 13” until now. They always have to wait for these Iris CPUs. Intel also revised their entire mobile lineup last year. Instead of making 4-5 dual core i5/i7 SKUs like they’ve done since at least 2011/2012, they made only one of each. One quad i5 and one quad i7 for 2018. They cannot give the $1299 13” the same CPU in the $1799 13”. This is bad business. It would cannibalizes sales of higher priced SKUs. And it was the same thing this year. They made one 2.4 quad i5 and one 2.8 quad i7.

Apple definitely had to demand Intel to ship something weaker suitable for their base 13” and this is what we have now. Two sub-2 GHz CPUs. One 1.4 quad i5 and one 1.7 quad i7.

 

[Glockworkorange]

Can it connect my external drive with all my photoshop, illustrator and indesign files, go through files and folders quickly and run the Adobe Creative Suite with a mouse?

Answer: of course not. So why should I be putting my money on a gimped device that serves only as a glorified smartphone?

Plus Macs don’t bend (I just noticed me 2018 iPad Pro 12.7 inch is bent).

 

[noraa]

My 7 year old MacBook Pro isn't that much slower than this. However, those numbers are meaningless; sure it can perform well in short bursts (Geekbench isn't exactly an intense benchmark) but can it perform like that over 15 minutes? 30 minutes? 2 hours? Try running handbrake for an extended length of time, exporting a movie from Adobe Premiere or rendering some kind of 3D animation.

The bottleneck for MacBooks has always been the terrible cooling implementation. Once it goes over the 90c mark, you know things will downclock on the CPU to keep it from having a meltdown.

Jesus ****ing Christ, how many times do we need to go over this??

The MBPs DO NOT throttle. There was a software issue when the 6 core MBP was released last year, but was quickly resolved.

https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...erformance-in-the-eight-core-2019-macbook-pro

 

[grrrz]

Geekbench is a terrible benchmark and people need to stop using it. Its not doing anything long enough for the turbo clock to run out and drop down to the base clock. Do anything like rendering a video and it will drop like crazy.

so that explains that. I thought it took thermal constraints into consideration.

 

[prospervic]

Impressive, but iPad Pro is where you should be putting your money now.

Now you’ve done it. All you accomplished with that post is rousing all the iPad haters, and those who choose to be willfully ignorant about what the iPad can do, especially with the new iPadOS 13.

Because of this, we iPad devotees have to endure yet another fusillade of stupid comments like “you can’t do real work on iPad” and “iPad is only good for watching movies.”

Why stir up sh#t? Let’s just wait until iPadOS is released in the fall. Then we can talk tough.

 

[Rob_2811]

Jesus ****ing Christ, how many times do we need to go over this??

The MBPs DO NOT throttle. There was a software issue when the 6 core MBP was released last year, but was quickly resolved.

https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...erformance-in-the-eight-core-2019-macbook-pro

Of course they do.

 

[Awesom-0]

Not according to their web site: "1 Year Ltd Hware Warranty: Mail-in; Customer supplies box, Dell pays shipping". so maybe standard extended warranty coverage. yah pretty much.

And most people actually do love the keyboards, their have been some problems, mostly in dusty environment (like backpacks without sleveing the laptop, who does that?). So unless someone comes up with some numbers like 2%, or 20% of keyboards need repair, than a lot of this is just crap.

BTW: I used to use Dell, but I got tired of the crappy quality and poor life expectancy, poor resale. Threw a bunch away over the years. Maybe things are better are now?

Still using my broadwell xps 13 without any issues. Far better than the Santa Rosa MBP that almost cost 3x as much.

Are you using the business grade Dell's? Or just the dirt cheap ones?

A xps is not much over $900 compared to what Apple has now is a easy choice. Especially with great ips panels, good keyboards, easy to replace batteries even though mine is perfectly fine, better warranty than Apple, published repair guides, no thermal throttling, thinner than the MacBook air at the time, memory card slot, two USB inputs, very small bezel, 10 hour battery life now was 12 when new, mini display port out that handles 4k at even 120 hertz. Better performance over the mbp I had by far.

$1200 when I got mine. Have not needed to upgrade my laptop. And when I upgrade my desktop it will definitely be a Ryzen with ecc ram over a Mac pro.

 

[darngooddesign]

The developer tools come with ios device simulators. Not even big companies want to waste their money buying every device available for test much less a small developer.

But the point was you cannot do the development on the device itself. The notion that people should move to iPads over traditional computers when they can’t even sustain their own ecosystem much less other platforms is silly.

Companies, especially big ones, absolutely do have to have devices for QA testing; the simulators can’t guarantee 100% accurate simulation and when there is a bug you need to chase down you better have the actual device. You don’t even need to buy every iPad, just get one which runs the latest OS and decide how many versions back you want to support; usually only one or two versions.

 

[lec0rsaire]

I agree 100%, ship now and have plenty in the pipeline for the holidays. I think Intel has hosed themselves and just won't admit it.

I would love for AMD to release something competitive in the laptop space, but even though they are firing on all cylinders (mostly), they just don't seem to have the bandwidth that Intel has to get into these markets. I think they are expanding as fast as they actually can...I would hope the Dr Su is a disciplined CEO and is taking a measured approach to entering markets. Right now, they are still 2 Navi GPUs short and the rollout has been interminable.

I truly think Intel hit a wall and cannot admit to themselves. It has been stated many times that Sandy Bridge was the last big tectonic shift and they are right - https://www.anandtech.com/show/1404...el-core-i7-2600k-testing-sandy-bridge-in-2019

AMD also doesn’t make many higher-end mobile SKUs. Apple likes being able to offer at least several more options per tier. They only have a single quad Ryzen 7 H chip.

 

[darngooddesign]

The solution is really easy. Just don’t call it a replacement for a computer, unless you qualify it by saying, ‘only for basic applications.’

But since the pro-iPadPro folks never do this, we have this eternal argument.

Utter a universal statement that is incorrect for all cases and you should expect some degree of blowback.

Sure but it’s no different from the “iPad can’t replace a laptop folks” who think every professional is running Maya or the full CS suite. Ignoring that these software needs would never be run in a laptop with the iPads specs (gonna run CS in 4GB if RAM...really?) There are plenty of professionals, like in the business world, who primarily use apps like Office and it can replace their computer. You are just as likely to hear absolute statements that ipads can’t replace some work laptops.

 

[chucker23n1]

The developer tools come with ios device simulators. Not even big companies want to waste their money buying every device available for test much less a small developer.

Not every device, no, but no serious iOS developer targeting an iPad should develop an app without having, y'know, an actual iPad.

The notion that people should move to iPads over traditional computers when they can’t even sustain their own ecosystem much less other platforms is silly.

Why?
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From the glass-half-full perspective, my seven-year old Mac is only one process node behind what is used in the Macs released this year.

Aye.

I'm on a Haswell Late 2013 MacBook Pro. Right after that came Broadwell, which went to 14nm.

…Intel's still on that.

 

[thekev]

In an era of 10% incremental performance boosts, yoy... this is VERY impressive!

So the 1.4 Ghz quad core is faster than the 2.4 Ghz quad core? There has to be more to this.

This is kind of a one off. Intel has been releasing lower voltage quad core cpus for the last couple generations. Apple is picking them up now. To get an idea of realistic performance though, you have to actually actually test it over an extended duration. Most lighter user tasks benefit very little from this kind of thing, as a lot of tasks that involve multithreading do not actually need to run on multiple cores. Intel tends to allow their processors to use higher clock rates when using fewer than the maximum number of cores, which is sometimes better, particularly when hyperthreading is enabled, since 1 core is being timeshared to act as 2. A lot of the time your cpu may be stalled waiting on memory, disk, or network.

The TLDR version is don't just look at geekbench. Wait for more useful benchmarks. Never trust Apple's "up to x times faster". It's nonsense, and this kind of advertising is disrespectful to their users.

God bless...less keys that could fall from the butterfly keyboard
The touchbar is more reliable

That's not how anything works, assuming this wasn't sarcasm. I would be more worried about frequently used characters, such as 'a', 'e', etc. The touchbar is arguably another component that could fail independently of the keyboard, making it either a neutral step or a step back in reliability.

 

[coolfactor]

Glad to see the tides are turning. I feel like we've been surprised by Apple with these latest upgrades.

I just want a Mac mini that's affordable!
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So the 1.4 Ghz quad core is faster than the 2.4 Ghz quad core? There has to be more to this.

There's a lot more to overall performance than sheer clock speed. Don't be fooled by the 1.4 vs 2.4. There's an entire architecture behind that. Newer architectures tend to improve things that allow a lower clock speed to do more.

 

[grrrz]

Jesus ****ing Christ, how many times do we need to go over this??

The MBPs DO NOT throttle. There was a software issue when the 6 core MBP was released last year, but was quickly resolved.

https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...erformance-in-the-eight-core-2019-macbook-pro

well yes some of them do, for exemple my 2011 15" an 13" mbp which regularly lower their clock below 1 Ghz (from an above 2 GHz base clock) would beg to differ.
Just posted this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-cpu-when-plugged-to-external-screen.2189562/

 

[Ploki]

This is pretty much the 2018 numbers tho...

ooh wait these are the non-touchbar replacement.

dang, that IS impressive, since its pretty cheap.

 

[apolloa]

Disagree. iPad Pro is useless for most professional applications. It’s fine for browsing Facebook, though.

Hmm best tell that to those commercial jet pilots who use iPads in the cockpits, they’ve been using them for years:

http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/pilot-ipad-apps/amp

Or are pilots not considered to be ‘professionals’ because they don’t create anything? Which would, very very arrogantly I must say, imply the ONLY professionals in the world are creatives using a certain set of programmes.