Base 2019 13-Inch MacBook Pro is Up to 83% Faster Than Previous Generation in Benchmarks

[Zdigital2015]

You can't use an iPad Pro to make apps that run on the iPad Pro. Until that happens, I won't be putting my money into it.

That's like saying., "I won't buy a waffle maker until it can make its own batter." Does the same go for the iPhone? Android? Whatever pathetic excuse for an Android tablet is popular in 2019? If you don't have an iPad use case for yourself, good deal, but your post is hardly a compelling argument.

 

[sirozha]

You don’t mean professionals, you mean professionals who do what I do.

I’ve never seen a web developer using an Avid rig; however, I have seen plenty of professional photographers using iPads; even more will with the changes to iPad OS and Photoshop. Your professional needs =/= other peoples professional needs and lots of pros do not need Indesign or Illustrator. Of course with the upcoming ability to install fonts it’s not crazy to think that both those apps will be coming to IOS.

If the apps you need aren’t on iOS, don’t use it.

Out of all the professions out there, musicians, photographers, and writers make a very small percentage. How about the professionals that actually create more practical and tangible things?

 

[chucker23n1]

It's to prevent smart consumers from doing shopping research/comparison and price matching since the custom part likely doesn't have specs (# of cores, frequency range, manufacturing node, etc.) on Intel site.

The article you're commenting on literally links to the specs for the custom part.

So, no.

 

[Hey Mac]

My 2018 iPadPro has replaced my macbook Pro. It really depends on what you use it for!!

 

[cjrulli]

Hmm, any word on if the SSD is replaceable like the 2017?

 

[darngooddesign]

You can't use an iPad Pro to make apps that run on the iPad Pro. Until that happens, I won't be putting my money into it.

If you use a laptop to build iPad apps, you have an iPad to test your apps on, unless you’re a bad developer who doesn’t believe in QA and testing that is. So you already put your money in it.

If you don’t build ipad apps then your example is a lie.

 

[chucker23n1]

The real-world improvement for most use cases is much less impressive than the headline (83% improvement!) makes it seem, since nearly all that improvement is from doubling the number of cores, while most programs people use are still single-threaded. Thus what you need to look at is single-threaded performance, which is only incrementally faster. Yes, things like video editing, and running multiple coding jobs, are exceptions, but they're the exceptions that prove the rule.

This isn't Apple's fault. Rather, it results from the current disconnect between how most software is written (single-threaded) and where most of the improvement is happening in processor speed (increased core count rather than improved single-thread performance).

Well, it's also in part on Intel. Things will get more interesting once they ship Ice Lake-U in volume, which they claim will yield 18% higher IPC.

 

[alien3dx]

I want MacBook Pro but the I just scare of laptop keyboard.I had 3 laptop broken keyboard.So my travel gear now iPad mini5( bought it because iPad os and need a tool replace aging 5s and iPod touch 6th which not support iOS 13. Workload still on iMac 2017

 

[chucker23n1]

Isn't doubling the cores for a 83% increase in multi-core performance actually a troubling sign of a poor design?

Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law

 

[pcmike]

Anyone know when they’re likely to switch the keyboard on the MBP 13”? I’d like to get one now, but I don’t want them to just switch the keyboard in a few months.

 

[sirozha]

So the 1.4 Ghz quad core is faster than the 2.4 Ghz quad core? There has to be more to this.

Isn’t it 1.4 GHz quad-core vs 2.4 GHz double-core?

 

[techwhiz]

You don’t mean professionals, you mean professionals who do what I do.

I’ve never seen a web developer using an Avid rig; however, I have seen plenty of professional photographers using iPads; even more will with the changes to iPad OS and Photoshop. Your professional needs =/= other peoples professional needs and lots of pros do not need Indesign or Illustrator. Of course with the upcoming ability to install fonts it’s not crazy to think that both those apps will be coming to IOS.

If the apps you need aren’t on iOS, don’t use it.

The iPad is not a replacement for a laptop for photograph work flow.
As a photographer (along with other things) I cannot do what I do on an iPad.
First and foremost the iPad does not have a filesystem that I can access.
Also, since there s no user accessible file system, I can't share files directly with my NAS.
Maybe for editing a single photo with Photoshop, but when using Lightroom to batch process and publish back to the NAS directly, the iPad just can't be a substitute.

 

[chucker23n1]

What % of people actually need to drive on the freeway?

Well for starters, 23% of US residents between 16 and 44 don't even have a license.

My guess is a ton of people in metropolitan areas do not, in fact, regularly need to drive on the freeway, especially with their own self-owned car, which seems to be the analogy you're going for here. Likewise, for the few times a year they need a traditional computer, they can use their friend's, the one at work, etc.

(Similarly, I don't have a printer, scanner, or fax at home. Cause, really, why? The extremely few times I need that, my work has multiple of those, including large-format and even 3D.)
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Neither of those is going to be on the Mac any time soon and in the case of Intel, 10nm is still is nothing more than a whisper and a prayer...you better learn to love 14nm, because it is going to be around for a while longer.

It's possible Ice Lake-U (10nm) ships in volume by winter, and then Apple could maybe bump some MacBooks to it in spring.

 

[Khedron]

Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law

I initially misread it as 63% which would be disappointing

 

[Peperino]

Can it connect my external drive with all my photoshop, illustrator and indesign files, go through files and folders quickly and run the Adobe Creative Suite with a mouse?

Answer: of course not. So why should I be putting my money on a gimped device that serves only as a glorified smartphone?

I agree. Surface Pro had USB connectivity, magnetic pen and the same OS than computers way before the iPAD...!!
Not to talk about file management and multitasking (that is coming only with the new iOS)

Although the iPad is nice, it is still a glorified iPhone...

That shows how behind Apple is in innovation.

 

[darngooddesign]

The iPad is not a replacement for a laptop for photograph work flow.
As a photographer (along with other things) I cannot do what I do on an iPad.
First and foremost the iPad does not have a filesystem that I can access.
Also, since there s no user accessible file system, I can't share files directly with my NAS.
Maybe for editing a single photo with Photoshop, but when using Lightroom to batch process and publish back to the NAS directly, the iPad just can't be a substitute.

You will be able to in ios13.
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I agree. Surface Pro had USB connectivity, magnetic pen and the same OS than computers way before the iPAD...!!
Not to talk about file management and multitasking (that is coming only with the new iOS)

Although the iPad is nice, it is still a glorified iPhone...

That shows how behind Apple is in innovation.

iPads have had multitasking for several years.

 

[falainber]

What's up with that is that Apple is willing to buy, in volume, and isn't happy with other SKUs Intel has to offer. (Namely, not a single recent 15W part offers an Iris Plus GPU. That's a major reason the low-end 13-inch was stuck with Kaby Lake and not updated.)

Apple being 5th largest PC maker, they are nothing special to Intel. I suspect they order unique models to avoid direct comparisons with other PC models (in specs and prices). They just want to look "special" (and charge special prices).

 

[Peperino]

Why should we care about how fast it is if:
- Still cannot type
- Still has a useless touchbar.
- Still all components are soldered.

Same old bad Macbooks but faster... yeay!

My old 2012 Macbook types better than this one.

 

[falainber]

The article you're commenting on literally links to the specs for the custom part.

So, no.

Even if the specs are known, one can't compare prices because there is no other PC models with the same chip.

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

Impressive, but iPad Pro is where you should be putting your money now.

How am I supposed to work on Indesign and Illustrator though? What about video editing? Animators? Web developers, etc?

Pretty crazy to suggest an iPad is a sufficient replacement for a laptop.

Exactly this. The Missus currently does part-time work at home doing Adobe CS based client work, (digital as well as print media), as well as using the Reaper DAW. She's doing this mostly with a 3 year-old NUC, using a 2011 MBAir as a laptop.

If the money gods so wish it, it'd be useful to have something like a new MBPro this year. The 13" really hits the mark, as it's easy to travel with. Iris graphics work well, but it's still taking memory away from the main board, not as nice as a discrete card. And CUDA, *cough* was supposed to be superseded by something better by now… but it ain't.

Head to head, I look at options like the HP envy 13t, which is ridiculously discounted right now, and pause. Yes, too bad the trackpad is reputedly bad, no thunderbolt, and I have my doubts about the solidity of any HP build. But it's possible to get an i7 with a discrete 2GB MTX card (CUDA!) for $1000 less than similar-ish specs.

In my experience Macs have usually been highly reliable, last many years, and are finely tuned to be as efficient for their purpose as possible. It's worth more from the offset if this is the case. But I'm not convinced they're making. the case

Mac users traditionally say MacOS is the deciding factor for them. It used to be for me as well. But I'm finding using Windows or Mac are an equal experience. (Well, I'm a snob who also insists on 4K screens.) Windows 10 is the first Windows OS which I'm not actively cursing while I use it. (Yes, Windows Explorer is awful, yes, I have to run powershell scripts to castrate the advertising spyware on it…)

If Apple deliberately hobbles their computers to force us into the feed chutes of their "devices" and approved app troughs, well -- to them I say: meh.

 

[coolfactor]

We need rounded corners on the screen to make it truly elegant. They've successfully done that on iPhone and iPad, and now it's time for the Mac to get that love.

 

[bpeeps]

Serious, does anyone really need a laptop that is even faster? What is big the hurry?

Yes, plenty of people that are not you need faster laptops. Your anecdotal experiences and computer usage doesn't represent what others might need.

 

[forerunnerg34]

but, can you type on it?

 

[CrazyForCashews]

generation 4 for a freaking keyboard

Yes, quite embarrassing, especially for a company as big and fortunate as Apple.

 

[chucker23n1]

Still no 32GB...

Not possible until Ice Lake with LPDDR4.

 

[apolloa]

That’s pretty good I’d say, for the price too. Just needs that old style new keyboard.