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There is not a publicly traded company on the planet that is going to tell a customer that their lowest cost tier product may not be as good as their higher cost tier product. Your refusal to understand and accept that is naive.

It's as if people go out of their way to to cling to conspiracy theories and making onerous stuff up, just so they can tell the world how faux-outraged they are. The new normal.
 
It's hilarious how people will grab on to something, anything, no matter how ridiculous it is, and pass that on as fact. For someone else to grab onto. And on, and on, and on.
It is the internet version of the telephone game also. One things leads to another to another and before you know it, Apple promised us M2 Ultra abilities in this Air.
 
Why would you recommend a base model M2 Air over the base model M1 Air? Seems like a waste of $200.

M1 Air + 512 GB SSD or 16 GB RAM for the same price as the M2. Way better value.
Unless you want the nicer screen, bigger screen, magsafe charging and new body style. Then it really boils down to personal choice.
 
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Maybe I should've assumed it would be significantly worse or even just as good?

No one is suing Apple for deceptive marketing practices here (yet). It's just a reasonable assumption that a newer model would be at least as good as the previous model in all material aspects. I'd say the performance of the SSD is a "material aspect".

I guess the judge would have to make that ruling.
Is it material if the rest of the SOC improvements result in better overall performance for users in this category? Meaning, the actual target audience for an Air?
 
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What is surprising me is how many people here are defending Apple. This was a bad decision at best and some shady/dodgy activity at worst.

It kind of reminds me of how PC manufacturers used to put new generation RAM in the system so they could advertise they were using RAM with X speed, but they would pair it with an old motherboard that could only run the RAM at the same speeds as previous generations.
 
What is surprising me is how many people here are defending Apple. This was a bad decision at best and some shady/dodgy activity at worst.

I’m not defending Apple, it’s just for light general computing purposes this is a non issue. I have no hesitation recommending this laptop to my mom or my niece. It’s going to be wonderful for them. I might get one for travel through my work.

Some tasks will take longer, but nobody should be buying this for heavyweight computing like is shown in the benchmar tasks by headline seeking YouTubers.

it’s still a great computer for many people. Geeks like us might want more, and we can buy more.
 
Where I work they gave me a 600€ budget to buy 2 laptops, years ago, best I could find were two plastic HP laptops, i3 CPU, 500GB spinning hard drive and 4GB of RAM, they were atrocious from the beginning, but they found them an improvement since they had been using Pentium laptops before; now, they come to me and ask "Can't you make them faster?", they take 10 minutes to boot, like two to three minutes to launch Word or Excel, it's a torture, I told my boss I refuse to use them and the only way to have them run faster is either a lightweight Linux distro or a new computer.
Can’t you upgrade them to 8gb and put in an SSD? These are crappy HP’a you’re taking about, SSD upgrade alone with cloned HDD onto it is a fantastic upgrade for older PCs and notebooks
 
It adds insult to injury

when you’re already overpaying for hardware

and then Apple makes you cough up the cost of a high-end 2tb SSD ($300)

just so you can have a faster 512gb of storage.

You can get a faster 512gb SSD for $40 on Amazon.

$40

vs $300

I can separate things with line breaks too!!

It’s an Apple laptop, not a bargain bin clearance Lenovo.
Different architecture and implementation. Plus it is not significantly faster looking at real benchmarks, plus the high failure rate. There's a reason all ssd manufacturers higher storage tiers run faster than their lower ones. Unified memory architecture can't just use off the shelf modules from an m.2 ssd.
 
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I have a beefy NAS plus plenty of cloud storage so I don’t need much SSD space… or so I thought. I got a shipping notification for my 16/256 M2 today, after the embargo on this news was lifted. Thanks a lot Apple.

I’ve ordered a 16/512 and will be returning the first. So now Apple is eating the round trip shipping costs plus incidentals for their malfeasance. I’m debating ordering another, opening it and returning it just to stick it to them.
And make sure to contact support constantly to make them pay.
 
We’re talking about the Base model m2 vs base model m1.

If system responsiveness suffers on the base m2 model (as the system consumes more ram and needs to switch to slower ssd swap memory vs m1) , to me, worse responsiveness negates everything else that’s new on the base m2 model.
Everything I mentioned, except the RAM limit being higher, applies to the base model as well.

That's the thing, how much does it affect system responsiveness when using the base model Air like a base model Air, as opposed to using it like a 14" MBP.
 
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I have a beefy NAS plus plenty of cloud storage so I don’t need much SSD space… or so I thought. I got a shipping notification for my 16/256 M2 today, after the embargo on this news was lifted. Thanks a lot Apple.

I’ve ordered a 16/512 and will be returning the first. So now Apple is eating the round trip shipping costs plus incidentals for their malfeasance. I’m debating ordering another, opening it and returning it just to stick it to them.
Stuff like this only hurts your fellow customers. Us. You do realize that companies pass cost onto us, yes? And they change generous return policies because of abuse, yes?
 
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Since I’m not one of those expert YouTube ‘Loopers’ publishing videos of how fast new machines can render videos of them reviewing other machines that they use to see how fast they can render videos of their tech reviews(!), I do believe my 1700€ 2011 13” Air (i7 4/256) is still good enough for my translation workflow — even using Parallels!

Slow SSD on the base M2? 1500MB/s? Maybe, yeah. All I know for sure is that I don’t mind sometimes waiting a few seco—minutes on my 200MB/s system.

Okay, maybe it’s time to replace it, since three keys no longer work — but that’s what bluetooth keyboards are for, isn’t that right Mr. 2010 i3 iMac, old friend?
 
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Well, one IC chip can have 128GB, 256GB, 512GB or 1TB from what apple is using. So a 2x128GB configuration vs a 1x256GB configuration have the same wear leveling performance, since both have 256GB of space to play around distributing the write cells.
Now I am confused. SLC>MLC>TLC>QLC is the rank of writing endurance for flash technology. and 256GB or so size would be expensive for MLC, let alone SLC. I'd guess Apple uses TLC either for 128GB or for 256GB.
 
My 2010 8GB Mac Pro is still running very strong. And I have just SATA SSDs in them. And it’s limited to SATA 2 speeds.

If you are concerned about swap and SSD speeds due to it, that is evidence enough you need more than 8GB of RAM.
 
Can’t you upgrade them to 8gb and put in an SSD? These are crappy HP’a you’re taking about, SSD upgrade alone with cloned HDD onto it is a fantastic upgrade for older PCs and notebooks
Well, yes, judging from their thickness I think they are user upgradable, but I won't do it for free in my own free time (because that's what they expect), it's not like they're friends or family.
 
Everything I mentioned, except the RAM limit being higher, applies to the base model as well.

That's the thing, how much does it affect system responsiveness when using the base model Air like a base model Air, as opposed to using it like a 14" MBP.
Given that The ssd in the base m1 is faster than the ssd in the base m2, when both base systems need to use swap memory, the base m1 will perform better from a responsiveness standpoint.

My expectation would be for m2 to be no worse than the base m1. But if there’s a performance regression due to Apple’s choice of a slower ssd, that’s a problem.
 
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Given that The ssd in the base m1 is faster than the ssd in the base m2, when both base systems need to use swap memory, the base m1 will perform better from a responsiveness standpoint point.

My expectation would be for m2 to be no worse than the base m1. But if there’s a performance regression due to Apple’s choice of a slower ssd, that’s a problem.
I agree its an issue, but how much the user will notice it depends on what they are doing on a base computer.
 
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