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Baseball Season 2006

MacNut said:
A part of baseball died today as Barry Bonds cheated his way to 714 and ruined one of the all time great achievements. I hope he's happy about the game he is single handily destroying.:mad:
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Such hypocrisy! MacNut, we are cheering here in the Bay Area for Barry's amazing achievement of passing the greatest homerun hitter in history. The Babe's contribution to baseball will always be unbelievable, as will Barry's after some folks come to their senses and look at him without hysteria clouding their vision. I hope Barry makes it to pass Aaron (looking like next year if at all) and his all-time career HR mark, but I also hope baseball fans can wake up and appreciate the feat while it happens.
 
Besides the people in the bay area Im not sure how many others across the country are cheering and I don't know why they should be. If your gonna cheer Barry Bonds then lets all cheer Pete Rose too.:rolleyes:
 
MacNut said:
Besides the people in the bay area Im not sure how many others across the country are cheering and I don't know why they should be. If your gonna cheer Barry Bonds then lets all cheer Pete Rose too.:rolleyes:
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MacNut, I appreciate your loyalty to your team and a record held by a great Yankee, but your claim that Barry should be "happy about the game he is single handily destroying" is totally absurd. Step back and look at the steroid issue from the real world and I think you can agree that such a statement is ridiculous. You don't have to cheer Barry, but for those of us who do don't expect much sympathy for your crying and moaning about a great achievement. Hopefully it's #715 tomorrow.
 
MacNut said:
Besides the people in the bay area Im not sure how many others across the country are cheering and I don't know why they should be.
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Virtually none, if only because breaking a record for the second time is a non-event. Bonds may be number two on the list, but he's still way behind number one.

Given his increasingly creaky legs, I doubt very much that Bonds is going to challenge Aaron's record, unless some American League team decides to give him another year of play as a DH. Now, if Bonds got an additional season to hobble up the plate to swing without having to play a position, then I think it would a true crime against baseball if he broke Aaron's record.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Virtually none, if only because breaking a record for the second time is a non-event. Bonds may be number two on the list, but he's still way behind number one.

Given his increasingly creaky legs, I doubt very much that Bonds is going to challenge Aaron's record, unless some American League team decides to give him another year of play as a DH. Now, if Bonds got an additional season to hobble up the plate to swing without having to play a position, then I think it would a true crime against baseball if he broke Aaron's record.
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IJ, may I remind you that Aaron played the last two years of his career in Milwaukee, most of which where spent as a DH (202 as a DH, 4 as an outfielder.) Those last two years he hit 22 homeruns, so I don't get the "crime" of Bonds going to the American League. Not that I want him to. I'd much rather Barry gets out of his slump and hits 30 to 35 homeruns this year and goes into next year, with a one year contract with the Giants, with a chance to pass Aaron. I'm not sure his legs will hold up, but I hoping he will be able to make it.
 
Sayhey said:
IJ, may I remind you that Aaron played the last two years of his career in Milwaukee, most of which where spent as a DH (202 as a DH, 4 as an outfielder.) Those last two years he hit 22 homeruns, so I don't get the "crime" of Bonds going to the American League. Not that I want him to. I'd much rather Barry gets out of his slump and hits 30 to 35 homeruns this year and goes into next year, with a one year contract with the Giants, with a chance to pass Aaron. I'm not sure his legs will hold up, but I hoping he will be able to make it.
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I didn't remember that, so good catch. Still, he'd already broken Ruth's record; those additional home runs were icing. My feeling about the DH is that it was a very unfortunate change to the game, thankfully the damage was limited to the AL. I would not want to see anyone leverage the DH to break an offensive record. The biggest argument against Bonds playing another season in the AL is that he won't be welcome in any park outside of San Francisco, especially if he's hanging on for obviously self-serving reasons -- and in San Francisco, he'd have to play a position, which I very much doubt he can do for another year. A question remains whether he can make it through this one.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I didn't remember that, so good catch. Still, he'd already broken Ruth's record; those additional home runs were icing. My feeling about the DH is that it was a very unfortunate change to the game, thankfully the damage was limited to the AL. I would not want to see anyone leverage the DH to break an offensive record. The biggest argument against Bonds playing another season in the AL is that he won't be welcome in any park outside of San Francisco, especially if he's hanging on for obviously self-serving reasons -- and in San Francisco, he'd have to play a position, which I very much doubt he can do for another year. A question remains whether he can make it through this one.
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I agree with you about the DH. I would love to see it done away with, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. As to Bonds playing next year, he is going to have to hit much better for the rest of this season to even consider it, but assuming he does and he has a chance to break Aaron's record (less than 20 homeruns) then I think he will resign with the Giants. There is an outside possiblility he could sign with the A's (Billy Beane is a fan and Thomas doesn't look like he is going to work out,) but I think the Giants would be crazy to let him go if he can break the record here.
 
I like the DH and heres why, it saves pitchers from serious injury. They can focus on pitching and not have to worry about getting up to bat and possibly pulling something. Now I think if they are gonna have it, it needs to be in both leagues or not at all, and since I don't see the AL getting rid of it then NL would have to pick it up to even the playing field.
 
Sayhey said:
Such hypocrisy! MacNut, we are cheering here in the Bay Area for Barry's amazing achievement of passing the greatest homerun hitter in history.
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Hey - not all of us here in the Bay Area are cheering Bonds' achievements. :D
 
zach said:
What is wrong with Michael Barrett... anyone?
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If you watch the video again ... which I've done too many times by now AJ isn't all innocent like he's claiming.

http://espn.go.com/motion/splash.ht...deos&subcategory=&CMP=ILC-Motion_Friend_email

1) The hit was legal. No one is going to dispute that. It wasn't necessary ... pods was calling for a slide ... AJ didn't want to slide ... he wanted to tackle him.

The problem happens after the hit, AJ gets up and drives his left shoulder into Barrett (unneccesary). He was insitgating just as much. Then he walks into barrett (his HELMET is near the fun-go circle) not right behind barrett. AJ wanted to instigate ... Barrett reacted the wrong way.

People not inside or around the city might not completely understand the tension running so high ... but yeah definitely got called an jacass for wearing my cubs shirt last year during the series ... I didn't know the guy, he didn't know me ... he just hated the cubs.
Should Barrett get suspended ... definitely, his emotion got the best of him.
I think AJ should lose a few games too, unsportmanlike conduct.
 
Kwyjibo said:
If you watch the video again ... which I've done too many times by now AJ isn't all innocent like he's claiming.
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Can't condone the punch, but I know an awful lot of Giants fans who would have liked to have thrown it. AJ was called a cancer by his teammates when he played here and that about sums up how most folks think of him. There is a story that has gone around since his days here about how he kicked the Giants trainer in the groin while he was trying to help him. And that maybe the best story anyone can remember. On top of it all we gave up three quality players to get the bum and nothing when he walked away.
 
SharksFan22 said:
Traitor? Bah. I've always bled green and gold... ;-)
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And teal if you screen name means anything (sorry, they didn't make it to the finals.) I do realize there are those unfortuante, misguided folks who have been raised as A's fans, but there is still time to see the light. :D

PS - don't you dare say anything about 1989!!! :mad: ;)
 
MacNut said:
I like the DH and heres why, it saves pitchers from serious injury. They can focus on pitching and not have to worry about getting up to bat and possibly pulling something. Now I think if they are gonna have it, it needs to be in both leagues or not at all, and since I don't see the AL getting rid of it then NL would have to pick it up to even the playing field.
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No way.

The natural extension of the DH logic is to have two completely separate squads for offense and defense, like in football. That way, every player could focus on what they do best. A person could write volumes on why the DH was one of the worst thing to happen to baseball.
 
Sayhey said:
I agree with you about the DH. I would love to see it done away with, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. As to Bonds playing next year, he is going to have to hit much better for the rest of this season to even consider it, but assuming he does and he has a chance to break Aaron's record (less than 20 homeruns) then I think he will resign with the Giants. There is an outside possiblility he could sign with the A's (Billy Beane is a fan and Thomas doesn't look like he is going to work out,) but I think the Giants would be crazy to let him go if he can break the record here.
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Keeping him on the roster just so he can have a shot at Aaron's record? With all due respect, I think only the most dyed-in-the-wool Giants fan could see the logic of that!
 
IJ Reilly said:
Keeping him on the roster just so he can have a shot at Aaron's record? With all due respect, I think only the most dyed-in-the-wool Giants fan could see the logic of that!
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Now, did I ever claim to be anything else? :p

Strictly from a business point-of-view, it makes a lot of sense for the Giants to keep Barry if he is going to break the record. It puts a people in the seats who wouldn't be there otherwise. From a purely baseball point-of-view, it makes a big difference whether his bat comes back this year. If Barry finishes the year batting .240 he is going to retire, but if he hits over .300 and over 25 to 30 homeruns he makes up for his deteriorated defense. Besides who are the Giants going to replace him with? Todd Linden? If they had signed Vlad Guerrero when he was available it might be different, but next year there is likely to be a HUGE turnover in Giants' players with Bonds being only one of the many free agents.
 
Sayhey said:
Now, did I ever claim to be anything else? :p

Strictly from a business point-of-view, it makes a lot of sense for the Giants to keep Barry if he is going to break the record. It puts a people in the seats who wouldn't be there otherwise. From a purely baseball point-of-view, it makes a big difference whether his bat comes back this year. If Barry finishes the year batting .240 he is going to retire, but if he hits over .300 and over 25 to 30 homeruns he makes up for his deteriorated defense. Besides who are the Giants going to replace him with? Todd Linden? If they had signed Vlad Guerrero when he was available it might be different, but next year there is likely to be a HUGE turnover in Giants' players with Bonds being only one of the many free agents.
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Let's put it this way: I think you are impressively logical when it comes to any other given topic but this one! ;)

From a marketing point of view, I don't see the value in hanging onto any over-the-hill player, even Barry Bonds, and even Barry Bonds chasing Hank Aaron. Do the Giants really have any trouble selling tickets? I didn't think so.

As for the Giants depleted farm system, all I can say is I feel your pain. We Dodger fans have been there. Fortunately, the Dodgers have fixed that problem. They've got so much talent coming up now, it's almost embarrassing. The solution is to revitalize the farm system, not hang onto lame old guys, especially lame old guys playing under a dark cloud of controversy. I'd place at least even money on Bonds not playing for the Giants in 2007.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I'd place at least even money on Bonds not playing for the Giants in 2007.
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bonds will probably eventually pass hank in home runs, but not in a giants uniform

he is becoming less and less productive due to his age...but for his age, he is great but major league baseball is not a haven for forty-somethings

i can see him being on the roster of some really bad, and desperate team, there for ticket sales and personally for him, to try and pass the all time home run record

he has 73 home runs in a season and that is tops...all he needs now is 756 home runs and nobody will dispute him being the greatest of all time...steroids can make a person get a great boost and hit a lot in a season, but does it work long term also?

much of what barry bonds has done is talent and hard work...many baseball players have probably used steroids in the past, and do so now, but you don't see people out there with his numbers
 
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