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zephead said:
Ahh, my bad, I forgot Ventura was still pretty good :eek: . A lot better than McGriff and Henderson. I was just saying that some past-their-prime players sort of "retire" to the Dodgers, and by that I mean they get their last 1 or 2 years of playing on the Dodgers, then they retire.

They all retire somewhere, and I don't think the Dodgers have made any special habit of signing them. Maybe during the dark Fox years somewhat, when the farm system was so depleted, but certainly not before then, when the Dodger's farm system was probably the most admired in baseball.
 
zephead said:
I have a(n out-there) theory on why the Dodgers are on such a skid. The Angels and Dodgers have sorta "swapped" themselves after the All-Star break, because before the break, the Angels were skidding and the Dodgers were doing pretty good, and now they're opposite.

More specifically, I think it's more like regression to the mean. Honestly, the Dodgers were overachieving with runners in scoring position for quite a while there, so they were scoring more runs than expected. As recently as a July series against the Cardinals, the Dodgers had scored more runs for the season than the Cards. While St. Louis was using homers to drive in those runs, LA was using timely hits. For the season they were bound to be a little worse than that, and that means that at some point they have to be way worse than that. Hopefully that point has passed.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I couldn't look at this thread during the Dodger's recent slide, or the sports section of the newspaper, either. Now that the team has been dealt a pretty good hand for the rest of the season, I'm feeling more encouraged.

I agree you should be encourage with the latest additions to the Dodgers. Maddox, while certainly no long term solution, will provide stability to the starting rotation and they have helped with the depth of the club as well. I'm not sure how the bullpen will work out but the rest of the club looks good - if they can get some people healthy.

I'd be crowing about the Giants chances as well except we can't seem to beat the worst teams in the National League. Take on the Mets and Cards - no problem, but the Pirates and Nationals are kicking our butts.
 
Sayhey said:
I'd be crowing about the Giants chances as well except we can't seem to beat the worst teams in the National League. Take on the Mets and Cards - no problem, but the Pirates and Nationals are kicking our butts.

We got destroyed by the Cards, the first time the Dodgers lost the entire season series to them in 100 years.

Makes you wonder though, right? Would you rather beat up on bad teams and lose to the contenders? Or the other way around? I suppose with the former you at least get an idea of how good your team is, that maybe you're pretty good but not one of the top teams. But when you're all over the map, you have no idea how they'll do from one game to the next. It's like a Jeff Weaver 2005 start stretched out into an entire season.
 
Meant to post this earlier this week but forgot.

So, there are a million reasons to hate the Yankees, but their homer broadcasters rank right up near the top. As if their homerism and arrogance wasn't enough, John Sterling (radio play by play) decided to show off his stupidity this past week when he said:

Most Overrated Broadcaster Ever said:
Here's Tejada. He hits the ball so well against the Yanks they should call him "Tehotta."

I remember staring at the radio and thinking "God I hate the Yankees."
 
Tanglewood said:
Holy crap where the hell did the Dodgers come from?!?! and here I thought the Padres could coast to another NL West title.

Move over, Dodgers coming through!

Maddux, Lugo, Betemit, added... Kent and Repko off the DL, Garciaparra back in action later this week, Furcal starting to perform, Ethier continuing to make a strong case for rookie of the year, Saito a very pleasant surprise as a closer, Broxton as a setup man, averaging seven-plus runs a game over an 11-game win streak. That's where they came from. The only question is, where did they go in July?
 
thedude110 said:
Meant to post this earlier this week but forgot.

So, there are a million reasons to hate the Yankees, but their homer broadcasters rank right up near the top. As if their homerism and arrogance wasn't enough, John Sterling (radio play by play) decided to show off his stupidity this past week when he said:



I remember staring at the radio and thinking "God I hate the Yankees."
How can you not like Burn Baby Burn, Giambino, my favorite, The Melk Man.:p It is high it is far it is....GONE!!!!:D
 
What happened to the Red Sox they just got the broom from the Royals.
 
Got to take a moment to gloat (because who knows how long it will last?): Dodgers 1.5 games out front!

I figure if they can only go 26-20 for the balance of the season, they'll have a virtual lock on the division.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Got to take a moment to gloat (because who knows how long it will last?): Dodgers 1.5 games out front!

I figure if they can only go 26-20 for the balance of the season, they'll have a virtual lock on the division.
Good luck IJ. I grew up in LA. Saw many games at Dodger stadium as a boy. My dad said I saw Sandy Koufax pitch in '66. How's 27-9 with a 1.73 ERA grab ya! I'm still a big Dodger fan, but for some odd reason I've become a Twins fan as well. Not entirely odd I guess, as my family lives in Minneapolis now - and I did spend a few years there... Our minor league phenom Garza got rocked last night by Toronto. Was hoping he could fill in nicely while Liriano was out. Maybe not :eek:
 
Its a beautiful thing really it is

I was surprised that the Unit pitched as well as he did today, seems like he is really hit or miss this year.
 

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I dunno if he pitched well but our bats made up for it and their bullpen didn't.:p
walking 2 then a Manny home run isn't what I call good pitching.
 
MacNut said:
I dunno if he pitched well but our bats made up for it and their bullpen didn't.:p
walking 2 then a Manny home run isn't what I call good pitching.

the way I see it he pitched well enough to win, and thats all that matters
 
4 in a row going for the sweeeep.:D :) The Red Sox bullpen is crumbling.
 
MacNut said:
4 in a row going for the sweeeep.:D :) The Red Sox bullpen is crumbling.

The bullpen is crumbling? Are we not watching the same series? The whole ship is sinking, and I'm not one to critize my sox on the outside. Timlin for 2 baserunners, no outs, a fresh farm hand for another baserunner, finally Pap? It's hard to blame him for losing the save with decisions like that. Either stick with Timlin and take what's going to happen, ask Schilling to empty the tank completly or let Pap take a 2 inning save. Either way, the chances of winning go up about 90%

Youk bunting, to the pitcher none the less, with one of the slowest baserunners on second?

Now bigger picture:

Youk batting behind Manny to "protect him". Some good protection, Youk has been. I think Manny has been intentionally walked 5 times in 4 games. At this point, stop trying to protect him, it's obviously not working. Youk would be MUCH more effective as a leadoff hitter, where the sox are playing .600 baseball!

Coco as leadoff. Look, it's not working. He had an amazing start to the season, and I bet no matter where he is next year (they'll dispose of him, as much as I love watching him play) he'll get back into the groove. But for now, he needs to develope a bit, and putting him in front of the league home run leader is not a way to score effective runs.

Short Stop by committee. Enough of this "play by commitee", it didn't work for the closer role last year, it might work for right field, if only due to injuries. Why take two players out of a routine. This isn't a place to collect players. Choose 8 positions, a backup catcher (I'll get to this), one or two utility guys for the infield, one of two backup outfielders and put the rest into the bullpen. While your at it, how about mixing up the ability of the bullpen! Maybe...say...a lefty? I hear that they can be quite effective for spot situations.

Catcher? Mirabelli is an amazing 2nd catcher. He's a mediocre first stringer, but given Varitek's injury (which is completly understandable given how much he plays) he's a great spot replacement. Why dump Mirabelli in the first place? We all know he had a great thing going with Wakefield, and the reports in the papers actually said Wake was "visibly upset" when he left. That's not how to treat a corner stone pitcher of the orginization. Lopez? Sure, I guess he's a backup to the backup, but given Mirabelli's amazing (sarcasm) hitting (at .196 off the top of my head) and the pitching staff's dissapointing performance (of whiich 30-50% can be attributed to the game called by the catcher), maybe it's time to switch things up for a week.

Arroyo. I won't even go into him, but talk about a player that was completly underappreciated.

Pena. I like him, and you can't blame the Sox for his lack of minor league experience (sorry MacNut, this lands squarly on the shoulders of the Yankee's), but I see another Bellhorn.

How about the front office. There is obviously a....dissapointement in the pitching staff. Bringing in Johnson off waivers when Mark Redmond would have been an easy trade from the Royals. He has a semi decent record at Fenway and since the beginning of the season has turned his game around quite a bit.

The mentality of "building a long lasting team". I personally am all for taking the Atlanta Braves approach to baseball, if you're going to do it full on. This method that the front office is taking right now appears to have a half assed approach to it. Either you get a couple "mentor" players and build talent in the minors or you buy a team. Doing this half and half (and expecting rookies to win pennants) approach doesn't work. The energy that was there in the beginning of the season just can't last.

I'm not calling the season yet, there are still 40 some games to play. However, I am affraid that the Sox front office is ignoring history a little bit (Dan Duqette, Lou Gorman, Grady Little). The fans of Boston can be very critical, especially when obvious mistakes are made. Remember, this is the team that fired Grady Little for leaving a pitcher in one game one inning too long.


Now for the only positive stuff I have: There was a point in this season where the Yanks couldn't beat a little league team. The baseball season is (hard to think right now) bigger than any one series. The Yanks have a trend of getting hot towards the end of the season (think right after the trade deadline). The new players, after the honeymoon always seem to cool off a little.

The same stuff is happening to the Chi Sox (and Tigers) right now, the wild card race should be QUITE exciting this year.
Ben

PS. I might delete all of this after the shock of this last week wares off, but for now this is better than taking shots of vodka.
 
saabmp3 said:
Youk bunting, to the pitcher none the less, with one of the slowest baserunners on second?

For what it's worth, if it's a good bunt, even a slow runner should be able to move over to third easily. Bunting and hit-and-run really aren't dependent on fast baserunners so much as execution and hustle.
 
Thats the one reason Ortiz might never be MVP, he cant run and aside from hitting a long ball in the clutch he really has no other important value in how the team performs. I would pick Manny as MVP over Ortiz.
 
MacNut said:
Thats the one reason Ortiz might never be MVP, he cant run and aside from hitting a long ball in the clutch he really has no other important value in how the team performs. I would pick Manny as MVP over Ortiz.
I remember when Ortiz was a Twin - he pissed me off so many times because he couldn't run the bases. Once there was a sac' fly and he was on third asleep at the wheel. Didn't make it home. I was glad to see him go... Until I started seeing how he turned out in Boston. Yikes :eek:
 
MacNut said:
Thats the one reason Ortiz might never be MVP, he cant run and aside from hitting a long ball in the clutch he really has no other important value in how the team performs. I would pick Manny as MVP over Ortiz.

I would argue that the decisions of MVP voters over the years indicate that being rational isn't a requirement. How else to explain that Andre Dawson won an MVP for a last-place team? It almost seems bizarre now that Juan Gonzalez won two. Mo Vaughn's win seems almost quaint. And Larry Walker beating out Mike Piazza (who had maybe the greatest hitting performance by any catcher ever) in 1997 still burns me up.

On the other hand, can you think of any other sport where people really care who wins MVP? In the NBA, everyone forgets who won a week after it's handed out.
 
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