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yg17 said:
Everyone's saying that, but last night, the sports guy on the local news mentioned that in 04 and 05, the Red Sox and White Sox were both in a slump at the very end of the season and they went onto win the world series. I haven't actually checked to see if that's true, but if it is, then I wouldn't count the Cards out just because of their recent performance.
But once they got to the World Series it was an embarrassment.
 
MacNut said:
But once they got to the World Series it was an embarrassment.

In those years the Red Sox and White Sox won the World Series. What embarrrassment are you referring to?
 
aloofman said:
In those years the Red Sox and White Sox won the World Series. What embarrrassment are you referring to?
cause the cards lost
 
Congrats to the Padres for their NL West Championship.

Its interesting that the NL Central isn't getting blasted like the NL West last year. The Cardinals only finished with one more win than the '05 Padres.
 
MacNut said:
I've heard rumors about Joe Girardi or Lou Penilla

IN addition to Gonzalez (3B Coach) of the Braves or Bob Brenly.

But those coaches may be pursued by Florida and Giants, respectively.

Truth be told, I like the two options that I have mentioned more than Girardi and Pinella. I don't have faith that Joe is the kind of manager thats right for Chicago ... I know his stats this year and that doesn't mean as much to me as my personal interpretation of how he'll perform on a bigger stage.
 
Felipe Alou is officially out...no surprise there. Early candidate rumblings include Lou Pinella, Bob Brenly, Bud Black, Ron Wotus, and suprisingly, perhaps Dusty Baker.

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WildCowboy said:
Felipe Alou is officially out...no surprise there. Early candidate rumblings include Lou Pinella, Bob Brenly, Bud Black, Ron Wotus, and suprisingly, perhaps Dusty Baker.

Linkety.

If you add Rags to the list and leave off Pinella, I'd take any of them. It'd be interesting to see how Brenly and Bonds would work together. I'm not one of the Alou detractors, and I hope he stays with the Giants in another job. Director of Baseball Operations in Latin America? He'd be great.
 
Tanglewood said:
Congrats to the Padres for their NL West Championship.

Its interesting that the NL Central isn't getting blasted like the NL West last year. The Cardinals only finished with one more win than the '05 Padres.

It was a tie, my friend. ;)

But I agree -- I keep hearing about the "weak" NL West as though it was still last season, and here we have the numbers two and three best records in the league. Again, without running the numbers I'll also guess that the NL West finished with the best combined record of any NL division, as they had for virtually the entire season. With no pushover teams, this was actually a pretty tough division in 2006.
 
IJ Reilly said:
It was a tie, my friend. ;)

But I agree -- I keep hearing about the "weak" NL West as though it was still last season, and here we have the numbers two and three best records in the league. Again, without running the numbers I'll also guess that the NL West finished with the best combined record of any NL division, as they had for virtually the entire season. With no pushover teams, this was actually a pretty tough division in 2006.

I totally agree. Maybe it's not so much that the teams are bad, but that the teams are all so equal that it makes it incredibly difficult to win games. I saw some great NL West games.
 
Sayhey said:
If you add Rags to the list and leave off Pinella, I'd take any of them. It'd be interesting to see how Brenly and Bonds would work together. I'm not one of the Alou detractors, and I hope he stays with the Giants in another job. Director of Baseball Operations in Latin America? He'd be great.
I'd like that. Personal reasons why I like him (the Alous). Moises threw my son a ball during batting practice years back when Houston was playing STL. He wasn't paying attention to the hoard of other voices, but my son said, "Señor Alou, no es para mi papi, es pa' mi". Por favor." Alou turned around, smiled and threw him the ball. :)
 
Sayhey said:
I'm not one of the Alou detractors, and I hope he stays with the Giants in another job. Director of Baseball Operations in Latin America? He'd be great.

I agree 100%...Felipe is a class act, and the whole family has so much history with the Giants that it would be nice to keep him around in some capacity.

Someone who really deserves a manager job is Ron Washington. I don't know if he's the right person for the Giants, but he deserves a good shot somewhere.
 
Until the Giants can dump Bonds and open up some salary I don't see them getting better no matter who is managing.
 
Those of us in So. Cal. who were watching the final game of the season between the Giants and Dodgers on TV heard Vin Scully imploring the San Francisco crowd to give Fillipe a standing ovation when he visited the mound near the end of the game. It was uncharacteristic of Vin to get so personal, but he was saying "come on, come on" as Alou walked back to the dugout -- to little effect. A few people stood, but not many. Where's the sense of baseball history in San Francisco?

BTW, as a fan it was tough to say so long to Vin, and you could hear some emotion in his voice as he said this was his last TV broadcast of the season. It continues to boggle my mind why nobody hires Vin Scully to call postseason games. Instead we'll get three guys who blabber to each other and draw on the screen. That part of the postseason, I really dread.
 
Im surprised that ESPN or Fox wont hire him to do some playoffs coverage.
 
MacNut said:
Im surprised that ESPN or Fox wont hire him to do some playoffs coverage.

Why should they? He's only the best in the business.

Seems to me the last time Scully did any postseason work was during the '80s. He was in the booth with Joe Garigiola, who I never particularly liked, but even though Vin hardly ever works with a partner, they were actually a good team. Vin brought out the best in Joe.

The current state of play-by-play announcing is distressing. Most of the guys working today are just plain awful. They'll all claim they owe a debt to the old pros, especially Scully, but none of them seem to have learned lesson one from listening to his work. And what is lesson one? Talk to the audience, not to each other. Simple. Hardly ever done.

I can point to two people who made me a Dodger fan when I moved from east coast to west during the '70s: Tommy Lasorda and Vin Scully. We're going to lose Vin one of these years not too far in the future. I dread that day. It's going to be hard for any Dodger fan to take.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Tried to subscribe but no joy. :(

Not sure why. Mine subscribed correctly, but we'll see if it refreshes when new times become available. Maybe there was a rush because of demand today?
 
Sayhey said:
If you add Rags to the list and leave off Pinella, I'd take any of them. It'd be interesting to see how Brenly and Bonds would work together. I'm not one of the Alou detractors, and I hope he stays with the Giants in another job. Director of Baseball Operations in Latin America? He'd be great.

I honestly don't know why they're pushing him out of the manager's job. While he's not the overhyped manager he was in Montreal, how many better managers are out there that would be a major improvement over Alou? He'd be worth keeping on the payroll if only to nurture the Latino players. And assuming Bonds plays next year (not guaranteed considering his health and other factors), who else is going to get along with Bonds next year in a potentially very stressful record chase?

I think Brenly is one of the worst managers to ever win a World Series. Between Showalter starting the franchise, a free-agent spending-spree, a career year from Luis Gonzalez, and an unbeatable Schilling-Unit tandem in the playoffs, Brenly could have kept a finger up his nose the whole season and lucked into a ring. Later with the D'backs he called a Padres player "chicken****" for laying down a bunt while his pitcher was throwing a no-hitter in a scoreless game. That sealed it for me.

Having said that, if the Giants want him to lead them, I'm fine with it! :D
 
IJ Reilly said:
It continues to boggle my mind why nobody hires Vin Scully to call postseason games. Instead we'll get three guys who blabber to each other and draw on the screen. That part of the postseason, I really dread.

My recollection is that he stopped doing the World Series on radio back in the 1990s by his choice. I remember that he was still doing radio in 1993 because I was listening to that crazy 15-14 game between Toronto and Philly that year, and he was calling it. Sometime soon after that he decided he didn't want to do the playoffs anymore. I don't know about now, but at the time any of the networks would have had him and probably made an offer.

You're right though. Thom Brennaman is truly terrible. I think he rivals the Careys when it comes to cronyism giving us crappy baseball broadcasters. The TBS guys are so bad that for the first time ever I felt bad for Braves fans. Unfortunately Brennaman will probably do the NL playoffs again because Fox will want to save Buck-McCarver for Yankees games. Unless the Cards make a run.

I think this is just the flip side of being spoiled by Scully for so long. The same thing happened when Chick Hearn became ill and then after he died. No offense to the new guys, but they're just a couple notches down.
 
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