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I do hope all these battery threads synergize into one at some point so we can try to figure out the things that are killing it.

Will wait 3 charges like someone mentioned (thank you!). But, my battery is also going fast.

An interesting thing. I went into usage and I have sent 134MB and received 806 MB! I have been tinkering a lot with GPS, but, these numbers surprise me.
 
I've switched off GPS, Push Email, Auto Brightness and lowered my brightness. I'll see if it improves. However, even before doing this I have noticed the battery is better today. I think there is something in what people say about the battery being given a chance to optimize. I also think in some cases its down to buggy 3rd party apps not closing properly.

I've just been thinking that would make a really useful util for the App Store. A single screen that we can quickly open to switch on/off all the different services. Not sure if its possible for the SDK to interact with the status of these services though?

Bluetooth
Push
GPS
Wireless
 
When you guys say you have push on do you mean exchange push with activesync or mobileme push? I started the thread bc I had AWFUL battery life like many of you and I disabled my exchange account but left my mobileme account on push and all battery issues were resolved. It's definitely an issue with Exchange/ActiveSync push services and not mobileme push.
 
I was having the same battery issues with the 8GB iPhone 3G I picked up Friday night. I was able to exchange it yesterday for a different phone at the downtown Portland Apple Store. The first phone went from full charge to dead in 8 hours, with me asleep 7 1/2 of those. My wife's identical iPhone still had 2/3 charge when mine went dead. My new phone (with exactly the same settings, email accounts, etc.) went all day yesterday (from 11am when I left the Apple Store until Midnight) on one charge, with fairly heavy usage of Safari and the App Store. I definitely think there are some bad batteries out there. I'm willing to accept SOME loss in battery life switching from my Blackberry 8700g, but 8 hour of mostly stand-by time is ridiculous.
 
It's definitely an issue with Exchange/ActiveSync push services and not mobileme push.

Now that you mention it, I did have my work email enabled (through Exchange) on the phone I returned. I must have forgotten to add it to my replacement. Maybe you're on to sometime with that theory. Anyone else having battery issues using Exchange?
 
Update:

Usage: 55 minutes
Standby: 3h 44m

60% battery bars left ... Inacceptable.

Update:

Usage 1h 3m
Standby. 3h 45m

50% battery left ... *lol*
 
I'm concerned about the battery life as well. I had mine plugged in all nite. I used the phone this morning and the usage indicator shows nothing, indicating it did not have a full charge after being plugged in for 6-7 hours?

Anyway, I surfed, downloaded songs and games and talked extensively this morning (3g off, push off, BT on, GPS on). The battery indicator dove to red within 2 hours, but I used the phone for another 2 before it died. I think this is battery calibration. It's plugged in now. I'm going to monitor how long it takes to get a full charge (AC) and hammer it again. My early thoughts are that the battery is not fully charging for some reason. Anyone else not getting usage indication?
 
I can't begin to describe how frustrating it is having to worry about the battery every few minutes even if you're not using it!! I LOVE this phone right now but the battery is killing the enjoyment and making it a HUGE pain to use.

Now the iPhone is like the MacBook Air.

For the iphone constant fretting over the battery.
For the MBA, constant fretting over the heat/fans/core shutdowns.

I think Apple rushing products to market under the pressure of Wall St and/or the rabid Apple fanboi's. They certainly seem to be only 80% baked.
 
There's something seriously wrong with your battery if that's the case. I'm getting great battery life with mine and I have 3G turned on, Location Services On, Screen dimmed to about 30% and Push turned off at the moment, although I was getting just fine battery life when I had it on as well. Infact, I'd say my battery life is almost as good as my original iPhone, so if that's what's happening to you, take it back. Something is clearly wrong.

Update:

Usage: 55 minutes
Standby: 3h 44m

60% battery bars left ... Inacceptable.

Update:

Usage 1h 3m
Standby. 3h 45m

50% battery left ... *lol*
 
There are a few things to consider here.

First, the facts

Fact: 3G radios are far more power hungry than 2G radios

Fact: While there have been audio optimizations on the iPhone, 3G calls also sound better/different becaues 3G/WCDMA uses code division and 2G/GSM uses time/frequency division. Different technologies, very different ways of communicating with towers.

Fact: The Microsoft Activesync OTA wireless sync protocol with Exchange is data intensive and generally far less efficient than that of Blackberry devices.

Fact: If you sync with Exchange, your data utilization is different depending on whether you're Exchange 2007 or Exchange 2003 (they made optimizations in 2007 specifically to address the data use)

Fact: If you are a push user, your phone is using data all the time.

Add it together, and it really goes back to a combination of Push and 3G that suck you dry on battery life.

If you're using a lot of minutes talking, you're going to burn up your battery faster on a 3G network than a 2G network. Likewise with Push email, or just using a lot of data.

A little more about Push

Whether it's Mobile Me, ActiveSync, Blackberry BES/BIS, your phone is sending constant status notifications to your mail server. Your phone pings out to the server, and depending on whether the connection is alive or not, the phone and the server will resync and exchange updates with each other.

Remember that Exchange Activesync is very "chatty" (read: uses a lot of data to give you that "push"). It would be like having someone using your phone constantly while it's sitting in your pocket.

Per Microsoft:
  • The mobile device issues a long-standing HTTPS request to the server. This request is known as a PING.
  • The server waits for a specified length of time to elapse or for a new item to arrive. If there are no new or changed items in the specified folders during the lifetime of the PING request, the server sends an empty response to the device. If new or changed items exist, the server sends a response to the device that includes the folders that contain the new or changed items.
  • If the mobile device receives an empty response, it issues a new PING request. If the response is not empty, the mobile device issues a synchronization request. After the mobile device synchronizes with the server, the mobile device sends a new PING request.

In a 3G network, you're taxing the radio in the phone, asking it to use a lot of energy to keep your mailbox in sync. That "long-standing HTTPS request" would be like you firing up Mobile Safari and trying to load a page that never fully loads, but keeps Safari holding that connection.

It does sounds like a few folks here might have defective batteries, but every 3G phone I've owned to-date has been a painful compromise. Fast network + push = barely enough charge to get through the day. Slow network + push = 1-2 days of battery life.

Non-3G Blackberries with push enabled will run for 3-4 days at a time. I suspect the new 3G Blackberry Bold will also suffer from the same challenges. You just can't have it both ways yet.

No short term solutions... any long term ones?

Short of returning your phone and voting with your wallet, there are only a 2 long term solutions I can think of (for the right enterprising individual):

1. Modify the iPhone OS to use 2G when it's "idle" or managing push email. Add an option to enable 3G (when available) when (a) phone is in use, (b) browser is in use, (c) downloading songs/apps (maybe these can be checkboxes).

2. Start an aftermarket business modifying iPhones to accept "extended" batteries. Ship your 3G iphone to some 16 year old with a Dremel, and he can make you a battery door. :)


-Al
 
Oh, and as they like to say... one more thing...

How much signal you get also determines how much power you use. One thing that contributes to higher energy consumption is if your phone is constantly renegotiating with the network to resend packets because it didn't get the full message.

It's not an exact science. Even if we had 2 people with 2 100% identical cell phones standing 50 ft apart and getting the same messages, they may end up with different battery lives as radio frequencies aren't just line of sight -- signals bounce off walls, get absorbed, etc.
 
There's something seriously wrong with your battery if that's the case. I'm getting great battery life with mine and I have 3G turned on, Location Services On, Screen dimmed to about 30% and Push turned off at the moment, although I was getting just fine battery life when I had it on as well. Infact, I'd say my battery life is almost as good as my original iPhone, so if that's what's happening to you, take it back. Something is clearly wrong.

Not that easy, we don't have an apple store here in austria and the iPhone is sold out (my store got only 6 iphones !!!, it's a store in one of the largest shopping malls in austria ...).
 
Do applications still run after you close them ?

My son suggested that some programs will stay running even if you close them, and by holding the home button to shut down programs will help... Is that right..?

Is it possibly that that could also run the battery down...?



I'm not saying I have a problem with the battery, 3 hours usage, 6 hours standby, 60% batt life remaining.... I have everything turned down or off..... Still haven't gone through 3 full charge depletion cycles yet either...
 
Battery life

Should the 3G be disabled if not in use? Also, if this be the case, what else should be disabled to preserve battery life.

My battery has diminished greatly from very little use. If it appears normal what other measures to preserve life should be taken.

Other issues:

My maps application is extremely slow and oftentimes cannot even find location even with full signal.
 
Sigh. My battery was almost at full charge, and I've been mostly using Wifi (only 3G for a few minutes). After a quick (5-minute) call, my iPhone completely shut down. I plugged it in and it showed me that the battery was completely dead. After a few minutes, iTunes recognized my iPhone and it said that I had a 50% charge.

I'm kind of upset. I keep having problems with this thing.

Edit: My screen brightness was turned down, I was mostly using mail, and PUSH is on.
 
There are a few things to consider here.

First, the facts

Fact: 3G radios are far more power hungry than 2G radios

Fact: While there have been audio optimizations on the iPhone, 3G calls also sound better/different becaues 3G/WCDMA uses code division and 2G/GSM uses time/frequency division. Different technologies, very different ways of communicating with towers.

Fact: The Microsoft Activesync OTA wireless sync protocol with Exchange is data intensive and generally far less efficient than that of Blackberry devices.

Fact: If you sync with Exchange, your data utilization is different depending on whether you're Exchange 2007 or Exchange 2003 (they made optimizations in 2007 specifically to address the data use)

Fact: If you are a push user, your phone is using data all the time.

Add it together, and it really goes back to a combination of Push and 3G that suck you dry on battery life.

If you're using a lot of minutes talking, you're going to burn up your battery faster on a 3G network than a 2G network. Likewise with Push email, or just using a lot of data.

A little more about Push

Whether it's Mobile Me, ActiveSync, Blackberry BES/BIS, your phone is sending constant status notifications to your mail server. Your phone pings out to the server, and depending on whether the connection is alive or not, the phone and the server will resync and exchange updates with each other.

Remember that Exchange Activesync is very "chatty" (read: uses a lot of data to give you that "push"). It would be like having someone using your phone constantly while it's sitting in your pocket.

Per Microsoft:


In a 3G network, you're taxing the radio in the phone, asking it to use a lot of energy to keep your mailbox in sync. That "long-standing HTTPS request" would be like you firing up Mobile Safari and trying to load a page that never fully loads, but keeps Safari holding that connection.

It does sounds like a few folks here might have defective batteries, but every 3G phone I've owned to-date has been a painful compromise. Fast network + push = barely enough charge to get through the day. Slow network + push = 1-2 days of battery life.

Non-3G Blackberries with push enabled will run for 3-4 days at a time. I suspect the new 3G Blackberry Bold will also suffer from the same challenges. You just can't have it both ways yet.

No short term solutions... any long term ones?

Short of returning your phone and voting with your wallet, there are only a 2 long term solutions I can think of (for the right enterprising individual):

1. Modify the iPhone OS to use 2G when it's "idle" or managing push email. Add an option to enable 3G (when available) when (a) phone is in use, (b) browser is in use, (c) downloading songs/apps (maybe these can be checkboxes).

2. Start an aftermarket business modifying iPhones to accept "extended" batteries. Ship your 3G iphone to some 16 year old with a Dremel, and he can make you a battery door. :)


-Al

So glad someone else sees it is the PUSH mail causing the problem - even Mobile Me reduces battery quite a bit - not as much as exchange though. If you have a busy email server like me with 100's of messages a day - your battery dies within 6 hours - thus for me I'll tend to just do manual downloads rather than push. I still don't rate the battery better than the last iPhone myself though as even without push or 3G it isn't any better over all.
 
Hey guys, i am currently working on a battery stress test.

I have a 3G iPhone, a 3G iPhone with disabled 3G only running GPS, and a first gen iphone using EDGE. I am going to have the 2 iphones download a 1 hour song that is about 100MB over and over until the batterys run dry.

Pics and comments will be up tonight. At least now i can go outside while its doing its thing :D
 
So glad someone else sees it is the PUSH mail causing the problem - even Mobile Me reduces battery quite a bit - not as much as exchange though. If you have a busy email server like me with 100's of messages a day - your battery dies within 6 hours - thus for me I'll tend to just do manual downloads rather than push. I still don't rate the battery better than the last iPhone myself though as even without push or 3G it isn't any better over all.

NOT ONLY PUSH E-MAIL! Less effecient battery AND some other problems (software thing?)! I don't have an push thing active and my battery drains out.
 
I have to agree with the "push " theory as well and have deferred to an hourly "manual' check for e-mails, hence battery performance has improved...at one point when I was reading mail I notices an endless loop of "checking for updates" w/ push activated. My 2 cents :confused:
 
NOT ONLY PUSH E-MAIL! Less effecient battery AND some other problems (software thing?)! I don't have an push thing active and my battery drains out.

Oh Im not saying it is only Push causing problems - Push is the main one though that people strangely haven't realized means it is transferring data ALL the time so batter will die. GPS really kills it too. People have been doing lots of reboots of the iphone too which knocks the battery down 5% each reboot. I don't blame 3G though - as on most other European based 3G phones battery time is now excellent.
 
Well, i read a few reviews from some local european newspapers and they all say, battery didn't last more then half a day if you really use it, where other phones keep up at least a whole day. It's so frustrating :mad:
 
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