Be careful!! iPhone X will force you to look at ads with FaceID!!

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by yalag, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. yalag macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2007
    There is a third party FaceID API (just as they demo'd with snapchat on the keynote). That means all the apps with ads will know if you looked away! You will be forced to face the ad to continue otherwise it will just pause!!

    Really disappointed with the iPhone X! What a mess!
  2. jensgt macrumors regular

    Sep 20, 2014
    Cant i just turn face id off? I never used touch ID
  3. saltd macrumors 6502a


    Aug 1, 2010
  4. PhoneI macrumors 68000

    Mar 7, 2008
  5. Droidbricker Suspended


    Sep 13, 2016
    That sounds like a great way to get people to stop using your app.
  6. Koudspeel macrumors regular


    Apr 8, 2013
    OP should've worded things differently to get his point across better but he has a very strong one.

    Face ID can indeed be used for these kind of practices and it certainly is something to think about.
  7. oplix Suspended


    Jun 29, 2008
    New York, NY
    Will be the fastest uninstall if I ever an app using this
  8. yalag thread starter macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2007
    You won't have a choice, it will be companies like facebook, snapchat, instagram
  9. PhoneI macrumors 68000

    Mar 7, 2008

    As opposed to require your figure print via Touch-ID to acknowledge you looked at an Ad. You are funny.
  10. jensgt macrumors regular

    Sep 20, 2014
  11. Nozuka macrumors 68020

    Jul 3, 2012
    don't need any of those..
  12. hank moody macrumors 6502a

    hank moody

    Jan 18, 2015
    I dont use them ALREADY.

    You will be happier if you uninstall those apps. Trust me.
  13. GDF macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2010
    I think that is a load of crap. Apple is the most independent company out there compared to google, samsung, etc.... They go out of there way not have stuff like that.
  14. tkukoc macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2014
    Wish I Was In Space!
    Yes there is an API for this. HOWEVER, Apple has final say on how the API itself is to be used. This why so many applications get rejected from the app store. The first app that does what the OP indicates that passes may or may not be a standard, could also end up being a mistake. Honestly I can't see Apple stooping so low to allow developers to use Face ID as a platform to draw more ad revenue, forcing the user to watch in order to move forward in an app or use their device. As I said, Apple has final say on things of this nature... time will tell. Right now, it's something to think about though, it's possible for sure.
  15. Mike Reed macrumors regular

    Apr 3, 2010
    Columbus, OH
    I doubt the app submission guidelines will allow for its use in that way.

    I could see them allowing a simple non-traceable or personally identifiable watched/ignored flag to be sent for purposes of determining how 'liked' an ad is but other use I would imagine would be prohibited.
  16. palmerc2 macrumors 68000


    Feb 29, 2008
    Los Angeles
    I'm social media free and absolutely loathe those apps, especially Snapchat.
  17. Shirasaki macrumors G3


    May 16, 2015
    This is one more reason I wholeheartedly believe companies are screwing up everyone intentionally, and yet one more reason I hate this X abomination.
  18. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

    Newtons Apple

    Mar 12, 2014
    Jacksonville, Florida
    You will likely not know. I can see all kinds of things like eye tracking to see where you are looking on the page. It may not happen now but you can bet with technology like this, there will be people to take advantage
  19. yalag thread starter macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2007
    Actually this guy has a good point, I didn't even think of that! They could just track that you did not pay attention and then penalize you in some other non direct way (play more ads, or less points etc). You won't even know.
  20. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

    Newtons Apple

    Mar 12, 2014
    Jacksonville, Florida
    Why would a company like Apple be screwing up everyone intentionally. Just does not make sense. People need to take a deep breath here and get back to reality.
  21. yalag thread starter macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2007
    Apple has good intentions, always looking out for the user, but not the apps developers. They will sell you for more money in a heartbeat
  22. Pnr2020 macrumors regular


    Nov 6, 2015
    Yeah that's why they blocked adblockers that blocked ads on apple news.
  23. Supermallet macrumors 65816


    Sep 19, 2014
    This isn't the same thing at all. TouchID is used for authentication only. FaceID is used for authentication as well, but as they showed at the keynote, the face recognition software is being actively used for in-app usage beyond authentication. The face recognition is used for animojis and snapchat uses it for those masks. So that means apps can use the face recognition for purposes beyond authentication.

    We also know from the keynote and the hands on videos that the facial recognition software can tell if your eyes are open or closed, and if you're looking at the phone or looking away from the phone. This, combined with the in-app usage of the facial recognition software, means it is entirely possible that apps can be set up where you have to actively watch ads or they will autopause and wait for you to return. With your TouchID example, even if an app could use TouchID that way, which I don't think they can as it's just for authentication, all it could guarantee is that you pressed your thumb to the sensor at the end of the ad. It can't guarantee that you actually watched the ad. With face recognition, they can actually require that you physically watch the ad. Huge huge difference.

    Even if app developers don't use this tech to force you to watch ads, they can use it to track which ads you are watching and build up data on you. If I had to have the X, I'd be disabling FaceID for sure.
  24. Jro29 macrumors newbie

    Jun 13, 2017
    Has anyone seen the Black Mirror episode "15 Million Merits?"
  25. Mildredop macrumors 68020

    Oct 14, 2013
    Good call and reckon you could be right (although I wonder if Apple might not allow it?).

    Whenever there's an ad online of more than a few seconds, I'll switch to another window carry on with something else and then return when I think the ad has finished. Nothing more annoying than when the ad knows you've clicked away so pauses!

    The phone literally knowing exactly when (and where?) you're looking could be a real pain in time.

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