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Be careful!! iPhone X will force you to look at ads with FaceID!!

Supermallet said:
This isn't the same thing at all. TouchID is used for authentication only. FaceID is used for authentication as well, but as they showed at the keynote, the face recognition software is being actively used for in-app usage beyond authentication. The face recognition is used for animojis and snapchat uses it for those masks. So that means apps can use the face recognition for purposes beyond authentication.

We also know from the keynote and the hands on videos that the facial recognition software can tell if your eyes are open or closed, and if you're looking at the phone or looking away from the phone. This, combined with the in-app usage of the facial recognition software, means it is entirely possible that apps can be set up where you have to actively watch ads or they will autopause and wait for you to return. With your TouchID example, even if an app could use TouchID that way, which I don't think they can as it's just for authentication, all it could guarantee is that you pressed your thumb to the sensor at the end of the ad. It can't guarantee that you actually watched the ad. With face recognition, they can actually require that you physically watch the ad. Huge huge difference.

Even if app developers don't use this tech to force you to watch ads, they can use it to track which ads you are watching and build up data on you. If I had to have the X, I'd be disabling
FaceID for sure.
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Face ID is not the same as using the front facing camera. You can already use the camera to do things that they demoed on stage. Snapchat being the obvious one. I saw no indication that besides the authentication of Face ID there is anything in the API that enables a developer to respond to 'looking directly at the screen or not'

Besides, if an app maker decided to do what your suggesting, wouldn't you just stop using the app?
 
Not to say this definitely ISN'T true, but this is unsubstantiated at best and outright fear-mongering at worst.
 
PhoneI said:
Face ID is not the same as using the front facing camera. You can already use the camera to do things that they demoed on stage. Snapchat being the obvious one. I saw no indication that besides the authentication of Face ID there is anything in the API that enables a developer to respond to 'looking directly at the screen or not'

Besides, if an app maker decided to do what your suggesting, wouldn't you just stop using the app?
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The current implementation of the front facing camera is far more primitive than the neural network they've built for this face recognition system. It can basically identify that a face is in the frame, and where the face is. Look at the current snapchat filters compared to the demo they had at the keynote. Totally different application.

And again, even if app developers don't use overt methods like forcing you to watch ads, they can definitely use the tech to track where your attention is going and use that to further customize an advertising profile on you. Companies that rely on advertising revenue to stay afloat are voracious. Google and Facebook make billions off of advertising, not the services you're using. That's why so many of their services are free, because you're the product.
 
Supermallet said:
The current implementation of the front facing camera is far more primitive than the neural network they've built for this face recognition system. It can basically identify that a face is in the frame, and where the face is. Look at the current snapchat filters compared to the demo they had at the keynote. Totally different application.

And again, even if app developers don't use overt methods like forcing you to watch ads, they can definitely use the tech to track where your attention is going and use that to further customize an advertising profile on you. Companies that rely on advertising revenue to stay afloat are voracious. Google and Facebook make billions off of advertising, not the services you're using. That's why so many of their services are free, because you're the product.
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Only if there is an Apple provided API for that functionality. I have seen no evidence to support this yet.
 
No. Maybe a developer can chime in, but Apple's APIs have strict security limitations built in, especially when it comes to user authentication. Developers can't just pull any data they want out of the sensor.
 
PhoneI said:
Only if there is an Apple provided API for that functionality. I have seen no evidence to support this yet.
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Apple usually holds tech just for them or in limited partnership with specific developers when they first announce it, and slowly open it up to all. I don't see this face recognition system being any different.

Face recognition tech is the big wave of the future. Advertisers want it, governments want it, everyone can find a use for analyzing people's faces in minute detail through powerful computing. There's no way this genie stays in the bottle. In time it will open up more and more and people will be desensitized to it because companies like Apple normalized it.
 
Jimmy James said:
I still see a choice.
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You think you can take down a whole empire?

For eery one that choose with the power of "no" 100 other randoms who don't care choose yes which drown your no in a pool of meaninglessness.

They can do what they want and won't even feel the difference of your non-choice.

The masses are already brainwashed by society.
 
Supermallet said:
Apple usually holds tech just for them or in limited partnership with specific developers when they first announce it, and slowly open it up to all. I don't see this face recognition system being any different.

Face recognition tech is the big wave of the future. Advertisers want it, governments want it, everyone can find a use for analyzing people's faces in minute detail through powerful computing. There's no way this genie stays in the bottle. In time it will open up more and more and people will be desensitized to it because companies like Apple normalized it.
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Bobby Corwen said:
You think you can take down a whole empire?

For eery one that choose with the power of "no" 100 other randoms who don't care choose yes which drown your no in a pool of meaninglessness.

They can do what they want and won't even feel the difference of your non-choice.

The masses are already brainwashed by society.
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Or people claim other people are brainwashed because they might not share your opinion.
 
PhoneI said:
Or people claim other people are brainwashed because they might not share your opinion.
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I didn't say anyone was brainwashed. Being desensitized isn't the same thing as brainwashing.

Let me use a different example, subscription pricing. It used to be that subscriptions were for things like magazines, newspapers, wine of the month club, basically where your continued payment meant you continued to get new content. Things like software were one time purchases, and at the next major revision a new one time purchase.

Now most software devs are trying to move to subscription models. Some people rail against it, but their voices are being drowned out as most people are fine with paying a small amount per month for each of these different services. Things like Netflix and Hulu desensitized people so that when software devs started getting in on the game, the resistance to it was already dulled. No one is being brainwashed into paying a subscription, but they're now accepting subscription pricing on things that used to be one time purchases in the past.

Similarly, embracing facial recognition tech, and placing it as a consumer net positive, means Apple is helping people accept facial recognition in general, which will lower resistance to it when it's applied in other situations.
 
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Then those companies are out of luck, because the vast majority of phones do not have face ID.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
You think you can take down a whole empire?

For eery one that choose with the power of "no" 100 other randoms who don't care choose yes which drown your no in a pool of meaninglessness.

They can do what they want and won't even feel the difference of your non-choice.

The masses are already brainwashed by society.
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I don't care about taking down an empire. I have the choice to use offending apps. Or not. Or use alternate access methods (ie. web). I don't really understand your post.
 
If Apple is wise, they will prevent developers from using the FaceID to force people to stare at ads.
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yalag said:
There is a third party FaceID API (just as they demo'd with snapchat on the keynote). That means all the apps with ads will know if you looked away! You will be forced to face the ad to continue otherwise it will just pause!!

Really disappointed with the iPhone X! What a mess!
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The only thing that is a mess right now, is you making a lot of assumptions, and blaming Apple for something that hasn't even happened.
 
redman042 said:
No. Maybe a developer can chime in, but Apple's APIs have strict security limitations built in, especially when it comes to user authentication. Developers can't just pull any data they want out of the sensor.
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what do you mean? Did you even see the keynote? The app can track your face perfectly like in snapchat
 
PhoneI said:
What app?
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snapchat
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