I see and agree with most of your post but answering racism with racism is not the answer.
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Beats Co-Founders Dr. Dre and Jimmy Iovine Expected to Take on Senior Roles at Apple Following Acquisition
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I see and agree with most of your post but answering racism with racism is not the answer.
Miles Davis (God), Freddie Hubbard, Jaco Pastorius, Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Stanley Jordan, Weather Report, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Billy Joel, War, Chili Peppers to name a few. If it doesn't have instruments and people actually singing, I don't consider it music.
http://www.cnet.com/products/beats-studio-2013/ and I posted the consumer reports review earlier. Both say that beats is good quality.
I have no opinion on the headphones, my m7 came with beats earbuds and they sound pretty good.
My opinion is that apple would not spend 3.2bn without a plan in mind. Even if the headphones suck, they will sell. But this is about way more than headphones.
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It's still music though.
Ok, well I guess you've proved my point that you're a narrow minded individual when it comes to music. Thanks for confirming.
According to you, a symphony is not music.
You look at aggregate content which includes US charts. My point is about hip hop being over represented in the US vs rest of the world...
http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=31
In these EU charts for instance, there is no hip hop song in the top 10.
I think we both need legit source of info to support our thesis...
Sizzurp? What is that? That's not a word in the English language is it? Is this the new Apple Ebonics? Oh GOD. Yeah, it's amazing how the mentally ignorant can screw up anything.
And we wonder why our society is so messed up.......
How are my comments answering racism with racism? Have you read the offensive comments in this thread? How else can I interpret them? The way they read to me is that those posters don't believe a black man like Dr. Dre belongs at Apple. And good luck to them if that's their opinion, but if they're going to make those types of posts on a forum such as this, then they should expect a reaction.
There's many who are opposed to this rumoured deal - and that's cool. The figures flying around are a little baffling to me also.
But the comments and references to fried chicken shops, drugs dealers, ghettos, etc. etc. are way out of line. IMHO
RTP.
Dark Horse in #3 features a rapper.
Several others would certainly qualify as "urban" music.
They're more or less the same chart. Compare the two. And mr probz is hip hop. Also juicy j is a rapper featured on katy perrys song. pharrell has done hip hop music and he's number one.
Thank you! People on this forum can be so smart, but are acting really DUMB when it comes to this news.
Why the hell would Apple buy B&O or B&W or even Bose for that matter?! BEATS are the most popular earphones/headphones.
Beats has an excellent fan base and great marketing. And of course the audiophiles have to chime in about highs and lows and other B.S. The headphones may not sound the most amazing, but they're making the most MONEY, which is what Apple cares about.
There are probably several reasons why Apple is buying them. And I highly doubt we'll see an Apple logo on their headphones. I can't picture any Apple exec even wearing them...
So thats what it is? It is all about the black male and not a substandard product?
I get it.
Missing the point...
iTunes is not dead but why purchase when I can stream. Spotify killed it...Apple has lost it's most cherished possession. iTunes revenue...it's down like 30%. Can't beat them at your game...beat them at their game. I love Apple...I also love music. I buy apple products because they work. I don't buy iTunes music because I have Spotify...So if Apple buys Beats...and puts their stamp on it...I will subscribe to Beats Music...and drop Spotify.
That's the idea...who cares who owned the service...if it works like Apple products normally do...I'm in...!
iTunes is not dead but why purchase when I can stream. Spotify killed it...Apple has lost it's most cherished possession. iTunes revenue...it's down like 30%. Can't beat them at your game...beat them at their game. I love Apple...I also love music. I buy apple products because they work. I don't buy iTunes music because I have Spotify...So if Apple buys Beats...and puts their stamp on it...I will subscribe to Beats Music...and drop Spotify.
That's the idea...who cares who owned the service...if it works like Apple products normally do...I'm in...!
If that's what Apple thinks then I hope they don't get in cohorts with the drug cartels as they make a ton of money as well.
But the comments and references to fried chicken shops, drugs dealers, ghettos, etc. etc. are way out of line. IMHO
RTP.
Agreed!
It's amazing... Fried chicken is a southern thing. Last time I checked there are a lot of white people in the south.
Drug dealers? Most of the dealers I know are white...
Ghettos? Every race can be found in them.
if the week before that Jobs 'dog and pony show' Dre posted a drunken video to the web bragging on how he was going to be on stage with Jobs next week .... that Jobs would have been happy with that ?
Broadcasting to 3rd parties about deals that weren't closed seems doubtful that Jobs would have given that a big thumbs up. It isn't representative of how Apple works and the policies Jobs heavily influenced.
Questionable celebration after deal done perhaps. But get drunk and celebrate and blab to the world before done....
It is also seems a huge stretch that Jobs would pay so much for a company that has product mix of what Apple already has. Apple does headphones. Has stream music. Beats was valued just $1B around 6 months ago. How it triples in value in 6 months is a head scratcher. It isn't because he wouldn't do a deal because Dr. Dre has a piece of the targeted company.
One of the Think Different ad campaigns posters was of Dr. Martin Luther King. I highly doubt MLK would have thought video with casual usage of the N-word was 'all good' either. Nor that this deal framed as the crowing coronation of West Coast over East Coast Hip Hop.
Pretty sure Apple wants to make money legally... Which, by taking over Beats they will make A TON of legal money.
Yeah I hope they don't either. Hopefully they also won't turn into professional hitmen, I hear they make tons of money too!
Oh and bank robbers. Hopefully that's not where cook is going with this.
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I think they put in real terms. When you have people not playing a musical instrument, then it's not music.
Most of the people he mentioned, with the exception of a few of them actually have classical training. Red Hot Chili Peppers and maybe some of the guys in war didn't have classical training, but most of the others have a LOT of classical training and incorporate classical orchestrations in some of their music. Go listen to Stanley Clarke's earlier albums, same with Billy Cobham, etc. Stanley Clarke grew up playing the upright bass and still to this day uses it in recordings and live performances with and without using a bow. You'll probably find most jazz musicians actually grew up playing and studying classical music at some point in time. Look at Miles Davis, he went to Julliard. If you think that classical music is the only form of music there is, then that's behind closed minded. Classical music isn't the oldest form of music there is. Heck, even Classical Indian music has been around for several thousand years. But most of the musicians he mentioned have played with classical musicians during much of their training and professional recordings and most of them are highly regarded musicians that play music. Classical music is pretty set in stone and doesn't normally have a lot of room for improvisation for the most part as people that grew up around jazz like the artist's improvisational skills to come forward as it creates a new work of art if you will where things aren't done the exact same way. I enjoy a symphony just like i enjoy a great jazz or blues or whatever piece of music. but I think it has to do with actually knowing how to play an instrument well, and actually using that in the context of a piece of music. taking someone else's performance, sampling a section of it and adding a drum machine, some scratches from a turntable and other synthesized noises isn't really "music" and that's what he was getting at.
Rap music for the most part is someone's way of getting attention and they sometimes can make a lot of money with it. And that's what is destroying the music industry and society, amongst other bad influences. Look at what rap and that influence has been screwing that kid up. He's white, so it's not just only black people.
Yeah, all those stories about Apple revolutionizing sapphire production, and investing huge amounts of money into non-invasive health tracking for a implementation in brand new type of wearable are all null and void because of this beats acquisition. Also, Beats Music ONLY has hip hop.
Someone better fix their homepage then, because it's full of artists like Miles Davis, Bruce Springsteen, John Coltrane, Green Day and more.
Do y'all seriously not understand how DUMB you sound when you talk about this company (Beats) with little knowledge as to what they actually do?
I dont get the hate. I would never buy a beats headphone. But they do look pretty (well for the most part). If anything - they created a viable market for more epensive headphones. I really dont think they buy beats for the headphones but it is a welcome nice-to-have. apple cant allow itself to have 50+ headphones in their product sortiment. But beats can because they are more of a fashion brand.
However- Jimmy Iovine and Dr.Dre are absolute experts in the music windustry. Dr. Dre is a top-notch producer with EXCELLENT contacts in the music business. He is also been praised for being one of the biggest sound experts in the industry. Also - it may sound racist- but he is a "black culture icon". Something, Apple has missed so far.
Jimmy Iovine has been in the music industry FOREVER. These guys are a great win for apple.
However- Jimmy Iovine and Dr.Dre are absolute experts in the music windustry. Dr. Dre is a top-notch producer with EXCELLENT contacts in the music business. He is also been praised for being one of the biggest sound experts in the industry. Also - it may sound racist- but he is a "black culture icon". Something, Apple has missed so far.
Jimmy Iovine has been in the music industry FOREVER. These guys are a great win for apple.
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