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why beats (and Boss) suck

I don't know what people's problem with Beats is, I own a pair of the Solo HD's and they are brilliant, very durable and the sound is great. Yea they are bass heavy but they also work great with other types of music, I listen to all different types of music and I love Beats.

"Yea they are bass heavy".

That's the point, that is why they are bad.

Speakers/headphones, etc. should not be 'heavy' in any one way or the other. They should be accurate - allowing the musician or producer's vision of there song to come through.

*IF* you tend to like overstated bass, then you can crank up the bass in the player's equalizer.
 
The biggest acquisition in Apple's history was just announced. I want Beat's DNA in my news feed.


No prob. My suggestion was not to censor Beats news, but curate it in its own place just like sports is in the sports section of a paper, movies reviews in entertainment, etc,
 
No prob. My suggestion was not to censor Beats news, but curate it in its own place just like sports is in the sports section of a paper, movies reviews in entertainment, etc,

I agree somewhat, but it's a little early on for all that.
 
Beats indirectly introduced me to the world of headphones.

I am a big fan of Sony "under $50" earbuds. They are great for the price. One day, I noticed people walking around with Beats headphones and few friends were using Beats earbuds. I asked myself, should I move on from my Sony earbud and get something better...

Few days later, I walked into a local headphone shop. Obviously, the shop owner didn't suggest me to get a pair of Beats (although the store did carry the high-end Beats). He got me a pair of Sennheiser Amperior (basically HD25 with aluminum ear cups) which was on sale. It's a great pair of headphones... My next purchase probably will be Sennheiser Momentum or something better...
 
Agree...I enjoy the sound as well. I am pleased with this acquisition.

I double agree. Save for the MIXR and Executive, they are by far the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. My clients love them and I love them.

And I've used all models of Beats, except the Solo, and they are excellent. My wife and I even own a Pill each and we have gotten compliment on the Pill sound without our guests even knowing it was a Beats Pill. The overall EQ of the Pill is far more comfortable for modern music at casual volumes than say, the Bose sound link mini, which is the same price.
 
I double agree. Save for the MIXR and Executive, they are by far the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. My clients love them and I love them.

And I've used all models of Beats, except the Solo, and they are excellent. My wife and I even own a Pill each and we have gotten compliment on the Pill sound without our guests even knowing it was a Beats Pill. The overall EQ of the Pill is far more comfortable for modern music at casual volumes than say, the Bose sound link mini, which is the same price.
I've been very pleased with the sound of my Beats Wireless, ESPECIALLY while using them with apt-X. They are light, comfortable and sound good to my ears playing AAC and MP3 files on a portable device. The BT range is outstanding (I am REALLY sick of being tethered to a device by a wire getting caught on door knobs, bedposts and just about ANYTHING they can possibly get snagged on). They are particularly good for watching movies...the sound can rattle your brain :D
I so hope Apple incorporates apt-X into the next gen iPhone iPad...to MY ears, the difference is night and day.
 
Beats suck when you consider the performance for what you pay.
But they did something very important, they made expensive headphones mainstream which means that other companies have released more expensive products due to the rise in high end headphone consumers.

I myself use a Yamaha Pro 500, it's the most uncomfortable headphone EVER but I added some extra padding and it's really usable. Sound is top notch.
 
No, that's not how it works. The bass-heavy music already has increased bass in the recording compared to other genres. Increasing AGAIN with your headphone design is over-the-top. Plus, they probably crank the bass a 3rd time in the iPod or other source's settings. People don't understand that hardware should be sound-neutral. The extra increase with hardware designs like this sound horrible.

Also, the bass boost is not linear, and is in (IMO) a silly range of bass to increase. At my house, I pound out 20Hz (which I cannot personally hear, but I can feel) at the same loudness as 50Hz and 100Hz, as far as possible in my room. The real low-end is way more visceral than cranking 50Hz three times.

So, first, they (I say they, I mean we, because I listen to some very heavy bass from time to time) listen to bass heavy music pretty much for the sole purpose of the bass. Kinda like a dance club. For that genre of music, blasting the treble at the same volume as the bass would sound terrible. I’ve tried it. It’s not pretty. And especially in headphones, that kind of sound gives me headaches.

And actually, I thought (after an hour or so of listening) that the increased bass of the Beats was quite linear and very predictable. The biggest thing I liked about them was that sounds down to 20 Hz and even a touch below were very tonal, as produced by a tone generator. I could actually HEAR the notes instead of just feeling them. It’s the only time I’ve experienced that when not standing directly in front of the long pipes on an organ.

I wouldn’t recommend Beats to most people, because of the price (you can get close to that kind of bass for much less elsewhere). But if you really enjoy some crazy bass, and I mean crazy, then you can’t get better cans.
 
And it will cause hearing problem later on

Did Apple tell them that boosting the bass isn't what makes good headphones?

I am almost certain that Apple will face a lawsuit over the hearing loss by Beat Customers.

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and to most ears, blind testing will tell them that a much cheaper model is just as good as those expensive ones. Young people buy beats to wear it in public for its fashion not its sound quality. However, I do agree with you that some of them will move to high quality products at the same price range if their hearing is not too damaged.

Beats suck when you consider the performance for what you pay.
But they did something very important, they made expensive headphones mainstream which means that other companies have released more expensive products due to the rise in high end headphone consumers.

I myself use a Yamaha Pro 500, it's the most uncomfortable headphone EVER but I added some extra padding and it's really usable. Sound is top notch.
 
Can I just, again, point out that insinuating the people who buy Beats are having the wool pulled over their eyes is a little silly? There are plenty of people out there (apparently something like 40% of the market in the US) that listen to music that is enhanced by the bass-heavy aural qualities of Beats headphones. Neutral headphones won’t give you that kind of response, and Beats isn’t targeting people that want a neutral, natural response.

So for some people, Beats are way better quality than those Grado cans you would buy. Not for you, obviously, but I’ll bet you don’t listen to much hip hop. Just an offhanded assumption I made.

I'm saying that there is a cool factor that is involved in having Beats, which is very much influenced by the marketing .

In relation to sound quality, for the money you spend on Beats there a number of much better headphones that have excellent bass, and yet do not sacrifice clarity and detail, much much better.

I say 40% of the people are more concerned about their image.

The Grados comment was in relation to a USA brand, not in relation for a hip hop headphone.

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"Yea they are bass heavy".

That's the point, that is why they are bad.

Speakers/headphones, etc. should not be 'heavy' in any one way or the other. They should be accurate - allowing the musician or producer's vision of there song to come through.

*IF* you tend to like overstated bass, then you can crank up the bass in the player's equalizer.

They are specifically made for hip hop and mid bass. Which they achieve and people who like that music think they are great. It's just when you play any other type of genre you realise how awful they sound. A one trick pony.

I think your trying to describe reference headphones , which beats are not ;) like the HD800
 
There is such a thing as context. I was referring to people who haven't even used the product. You even quoted my post and left that out.

My original post quoted yours in its entirety.

I don't have to read every single post you've ever made in this thread or any other to express my point of view regarding the assertion you made in that specific post, which became the context for your assertion.

My ultimate POV is that if you think that certain posts on MacRumors apply to everyone then you're being as myopic as those who use racism as the basis for their opinions. For example if one read a review of Beats headphones as having an extremely bassy frequency response, and even though they never used them personally decided they didn't like them based on that, does that make them racist? Can someone not like Dre for reasons other than racism? If a person doesn't like hip-hop does that make them racist?

To reiterate, if you think that anyone who doesn't like Beats headphones, Dre, or hip-hop is racist because of certain posts on Macrumors you're guilty of your own prejudice.

Having said that, I agree that there are an inordinate number of posts in this thread, and others about Beats, that reek of overt and implied racism and it sickens me. I'm only saying to be careful not to fall into the same trap of making sweeping generalizations.
 
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So, first, they (I say they, I mean we, because I listen to some very heavy bass from time to time) listen to bass heavy music pretty much for the sole purpose of the bass. Kinda like a dance club. For that genre of music, blasting the treble at the same volume as the bass would sound terrible. I’ve tried it. It’s not pretty. And especially in headphones, that kind of sound gives me headaches.

And actually, I thought (after an hour or so of listening) that the increased bass of the Beats was quite linear and very predictable. The biggest thing I liked about them was that sounds down to 20 Hz and even a touch below were very tonal, as produced by a tone generator. I could actually HEAR the notes instead of just feeling them. It’s the only time I’ve experienced that when not standing directly in front of the long pipes on an organ.

I wouldn’t recommend Beats to most people, because of the price (you can get close to that kind of bass for much less elsewhere). But if you really enjoy some crazy bass, and I mean crazy, then you can’t get better cans.

Save a bunch and try a set of Audio Technica ATH-M50's.
 
So you'll just ignore all the ignorant comments about Rap/Hip Hop and Dr. Dre's past right?
Indirect racism is even worse than just coming out and saying how you really feel.

I like how you say 'your' failures. How do YOU know he's failed at anything? He could be white for all you know. You know nothing of actual racism because you choose not to know. And that's okay. Because people who are aware will speak out about it whether you like it or not. ;)



So okay lets say he is "WHITE" so that makes him superior over all other race? Yeah talk about someone who is racist because when I called someone a "FAILURE" automatically you had to go towards the white race because to you they never fail.


Ignorant comments about Rap/Hip-Hop about Dr. Dre's past? WTF? How is it his past when he still does rap and how is it ignorant when it is a fact about him? So because his black and does rap if anyone makes a comment about that it is automatically racist, just wow! Further proves that people still use the race card as an excuse and true ignorance.
 
Full-ranged headphones with balanced sound do not need ""a wider range of sound and enhanced clarity." Basically, Beats is admitting in a roundabout way that the previous version of this product was crap.
 
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