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Created what market? All of those companies have existed for decades longer than Beats. Nothing wrong with any of the ages, but what on earth are you trying to say?

The $99 plus earbuds and hundred and $199 plus headphone every day consumer market did not exist before Beats.
 
I have an abusive relationship with corded headphones so I can never justify spending 200 dollars on a pair I'm going to 100% break within 2 months.

Buck forty nine cheap cheap headphones for me. If I want serious sound quality I use good speakers.
 
It just shows that marketing works. Those people buying Beats have no idea how much better quality headphones they can get for the same money, cause the actual companies that produce quality headphones are trying to appeal to professionals (people with money) .

I admit that Beats have excellent marketing for a crap product, but boy does it work. Very surprised by the 40%.

Personally if I was from the USA, I'd grab a set of Grados .

Can I just, again, point out that insinuating the people who buy Beats are having the wool pulled over their eyes is a little silly? There are plenty of people out there (apparently something like 40% of the market in the US) that listen to music that is enhanced by the bass-heavy aural qualities of Beats headphones. Neutral headphones won’t give you that kind of response, and Beats isn’t targeting people that want a neutral, natural response.

So for some people, Beats are way better quality than those Grado cans you would buy. Not for you, obviously, but I’ll bet you don’t listen to much hip hop. Just an offhanded assumption I made.
 
Just a thought about how this thread generates sub-flames and private keyboard wars...

There are posters here who probably feel that many of the posts in this thread are racist. Some of the posters may actually be racist, too. But unless a post is explicitly racist, it weakens the position of any poster to bring up race as an issue.

I can't get over how ridiculous this comment is. So you're trying to tell me that unless someone comes out and calls Dr. Dre a N***** then a comment has no substantial racism behind it? What the actual hell are you talking about?

{Edit} I could have worded this better. And you make some valid points. This doesn't mean that the racist undertones should continue to be ignored like it has for many years. This is 2014 and I am tired of it. It has to be addressed.
 
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They do... But then so do lots of premium headphones. My AH-D7000s, for example.

And a lot of non-premium headphones too. Have you seen what’s become of Nakamichi? Those things are terrible build quality, decent drivers, but boy are they stylish. I actually bought a pair just for kicks, and they’re a’ight. I’d recommend them to someone who likes/needs heavy bass response over a $200 pair of Beats.
 
The $99 plus earbuds and hundred and $199 plus headphone every day consumer market did not exist before Beats.
Maybe. I suppose more people buy headphones in that range, now. But "did not exist" is pretty strong.

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I can't get over how ridiculous this comment is. So you're trying to tell me that unless someone comes out and calls Dr. Dre a N***** then a comment has no substantial racism behind it? What the actual hell are you talking about?

Um, yeah. Quit making assumptions about others' posts. Who do you think you are??
 
I can't get over how ridiculous this comment is. So you're trying to tell me that unless someone comes out and calls Dr. Dre a N***** then a comment has no substantial racism behind it? What the actual hell are you talking about?

I think what he was saying is that there are plenty of ways to poke holes in their arguments without playing the race card, and if they actually are racist, they won’t be able to form an articulate rebuttal.

Also, I salute your expletive modifier in that last sentence. My knee-jerk reaction is to modify with foods, but “what the cheese hell” doesn’t really have much of a ring to it.
 
The visuals of the new Apple execs and their not so squeaky clean images are a testimony to the new ethics at Apple.

Now if only Cook got busted, it would give him something in common as they stand shoulder to shoulder. Perhaps there's a hip hop video in Cooks future.

LOL, what the heck it's fun to have a laugh at this odd development. Now THIS will make for a good movie!
 
Just a thought about how this thread generates sub-flames and private keyboard wars...

There are posters here who probably feel that many of the posts in this thread are racist. Some of the posters may actually be racist, too. But unless a post is explicitly racist, it weakens the position of any poster to bring up race as an issue.

There are a lot of non-racial reasons as to why people don't like the Beats acquisition, such as perception of inferior products/services, not being explicitly "core" to Apple, dilution of brand, etc.

You are totally right.

Beats leads Apple into the deeper world of all cash transactions, mo money mo money mo money, Michelle and her girls will quiver in delight.

...and we have a winner.
 
I think what he was saying is that there are plenty of ways to poke holes in their arguments without playing the race card, and if they actually are racist, they won’t be able to form an articulate rebuttal.

Also, I salute your expletive modifier in that last sentence. My knee-jerk reaction is to modify with foods, but “what the cheese hell” doesn’t really have much of a ring to it.

The term "race card" was created by those who don't like being called out for saying ignorant things.
 
Can I just, again, point out that insinuating the people who buy Beats are having the wool pulled over their eyes is a little silly? There are plenty of people out there (apparently something like 40% of the market in the US) that listen to music that is enhanced by the bass-heavy aural qualities of Beats headphones. Neutral headphones won’t give you that kind of response, and Beats isn’t targeting people that want a neutral, natural response.
No, that's not how it works. The bass-heavy music already has increased bass in the recording compared to other genres. Increasing AGAIN with your headphone design is over-the-top. Plus, they probably crank the bass a 3rd time in the iPod or other source's settings. People don't understand that hardware should be sound-neutral. The extra increase with hardware designs like this sound horrible.

Also, the bass boost is not linear, and is in (IMO) a silly range of bass to increase. At my house, I pound out 20Hz (which I cannot personally hear, but I can feel) at the same loudness as 50Hz and 100Hz, as far as possible in my room. The real low-end is way more visceral than cranking 50Hz three times.

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I think I'm an Apple fan whose opinion matters on these forums just as much as anyone else's.
But claiming hidden agendas by other posters is not an opinion. It is accusation, and against the rules.
 
Maybe. I suppose more people buy headphones in that range, now. But "did not exist" is pretty strong.
I can't name one company that sold over their ear headphones that were not for a niche market(audiophile, DJs and studios) most of which were sold were labeled as studio monitors.
 
But claiming hidden agendas by other posters is not an opinion. It is accusation, and against the rules.

No, it's an opinion. And where in the rules does it it say I'm not allowed to form and express an opinion based on what another poster writes in a forum?
 
Just a thought about how this thread generates sub-flames and private keyboard wars...

There are posters here who probably feel that many of the posts in this thread are racist. Some of the posters may actually be racist, too. But unless a post is explicitly racist, it weakens the position of any poster to bring up race as an issue.

There are a lot of non-racial reasons as to why people don't like the Beats acquisition, such as perception of inferior products/services, not being explicitly "core" to Apple, dilution of brand, etc.
Apple has made worse acquisitions and they were not even profitable companies and had Apple fans cheering them all along the way. It's only when the black guy runs a profitable start up high end headphone company do people go up in arms. It weakens your position on the issue of race when you put blinders on in an effort to pretend shed some light on the subject.

Let's see here

- Profitable company
- Sells expensive headphones people are willing to buy in large quantities
- Streaming service
- Content creator connections
- Previous work history with the people involved
- A way to add value by getting people to use Apple related products on other platforms
- Apple can get far more favorable pricing on components than Beats alone. So there is a clear path for Apple to significantly improve upon the quality of the headphones.

None of that is good enough for the bigots on this forum. On what planet does headphones not matter as it relates to iPhones, iPads and Macs in 2014?
 
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Maybe. I suppose more people buy headphones in that range, now. But "did not exist" is pretty strong.

Yeah, I’d say most of the good headphones brands don’t have much of a consumer facing side (even more known audiophile brands [like Sennheiser] are all but unknown in most consumer channels). There are brands like Sony who is a very broad consumer brand (lots of products, lots of visibility) and have high[er] end phones, but I don’t think their $50+ market was significant.

I guess it _might_ be OK to say, “Effectively didn’t exist in regular consumer channels” [?]

From my perspective, the major market that “didn’t exist” before Beats is “styled” headphones. I’m talking alternate/mixed colors, different finishes, combing various materials for the aesthetic effect, minimalist designs that hide the components, etc.

Seems like just about all headphones before Beats were functional designs. Heck, tons of long-in-the-market brands (like AKG) followed Beats designs, and then there was companies (like Sol Republic) that used the Beats styling direction to engineer their initial products (and enter the “styled”, high[er] end consumer headphone market)
 
No, it's an opinion. And where in the rules does it it say I'm not allowed to form and express an opinion based on what another poster writes in a forum?
So, do you just type up every post of yours and then upvote it? :rolleyes:

Read the rules. Not my job to read them to you.
 
Beats is only 8 years old. There were lots of such headphones sold in the 90s. Sony was a major player at that time, with 2 brands, actually. And many others. But yes, I agree Beats has made a huge impact on the headphone market.

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I've assumed that you are the same person as Adonis, and are upvoting back and forth with 2 accounts.

Nope. That means that I would have to have logged in and out about 16 times. I'd prefer not to do that. But again your 2 cents is appreciated.
 
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