Well, at least your racism wasn't indirect. I applaud you for being honest about who you are.
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Beats Tones Down the Bass With its New Solo2 Headphones
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Well, at least your racism wasn't indirect. I applaud you for being honest about who you are.
Call me crazy, but why is it necessary to spend hundreds of dollars for headphones? When did this become the trend? I get it that people want a quality listening experience, but the sheer number of these headphones on the market makes me wonder when this all happened.
If you had told me five years ago about a pair of $200 headphones, I would have said "good luck selling those," but it seems they're all over the place now, so apparently people buy them.
As for me, I'm quite content with my Apple earbuds, thank you.
Same here, except I don't like pressure in my ear drums and prefer the kind which one can loop over the ear.
Can get them under 20 bucks from SONY or similar off brand on sale for $ 4.
I seem to be Mr. Klutz and always rip the connections by the buds, so I wait until both are ruined.
Also mostly only listening with 1 ear, because the misses wants to talk.
I guess I don't qualify as an audiophile.
Says the guy who didn't actually look at the financials. When all else fails ignore the financials so you can make a point bringing up other black people who haven't advanced the technology at any level. That makes sense just so you can say you have a token. LOL! Sounds like Republicans picking Sarah Palin for VP and Michael Steele for Chair. At least with Michael Steele he was actually successful in getting Republicans elected in record numbers during the Nov 2010 midterms. They still fired him in favor of a white guy who failed spectacularly.... NEXT!
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Some years ago I stood next to a guy in line for an iPhone and he hadn't paid his phone bill in several months. Broke people will wait in line for what they like....rock concerts, restaurants, movies you name it. Don't act like it's just black people who wait in line for stuff they want EBT card or no EBT card. Secondly, you don't know if those people have an EBT card or not. You are assuming.
Quit being a racist bigot. I know it will be hard to do considering your last post.
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The place for a suggestion like this is in the Site and Forum Feedback forum. Odds that a random comment about forum policy is read by the mods and editors hear is far less likely.
I looked in that forum; nobody has suggested how to organize the new products into the MR forums and news areas. If you have specific suggestions, now would be a good time to suggest -- over there.
My point is YOU are making the assumption that everyone who doesn't like Dre, hip-Hop, or the Beats acquisition, is doing so because of racism.
That's why I said the assumption was ridiculous. It's as closed minded as anyone who DOES disapprove of any of those three BECAUSE they are racist.
Clearly, there are some posts that are obviously steeped in racist thinking. I never said that racism isn't a part of the thought process in some people, but it's unrealistic to generalize that it's part of the thought process of everyone.
Also, you can ASSume I'm in denial, but that doesn't mean you're correct.
I didn't say everyone anything. You made that up yourself. In fact I was pretty specific when I said MacRacists. Facts don't matter to the ignorant bigots on this forum.
Apple earbuds are great for what they were intended. Sound very good, feel very good, and priced very good. There's a very wide variation in what customers expect or demand from what they buy. Criticizing others for what they appreciate is both boring and snobbish. You sound like you have only the very best of everything. Ho-hum.
Oh I don't have a problem with Beats. I'm just explaining why I think others do. It's not racism. I would imagine most beats are purchased by white people anyways.
It is very similar to reasons that people dislike Apple. I would argue that I think Apple actually makes products that are better than the competition and Beats fans would say the same.
Of course it is somewhat irrational. There is never a reason to actually get angry towards a consumer goods company. You just don't buy their products. Beats are known for their high bass and muddy everything else whether or not it is true. Their unreleased product doesn't change anyone's opinion about the company as it stands right now.
Finally Steve Jobs isn't well-known because of his drug use, being a bad father, or being an a$$hole. He was probably all of those things but hes known for his contributions to the tech and consumer world. Dr. Dre literally made himself famous by singing about drugs, sex and glorifying gang culture. You are allowed to judge individuals and companies, and if people don't like Beats because they dislike the founder then that is not remotely equivalent to racism.
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I haven't read the thread. Are Beats headphones the best yet, or should I wait for a few more days?
I hardly ever have a laugh out loud moment here but this post definitely did it. Great line. GREAT!
To answer your question though, I predict they'll be great on TUE based on the evolving quality of the pro side of the argument. The free PR crew here- having had time to try to pile up some positive spin- are spinning it well. Give 'em a weekend and Beats should achieve "shut up and take my money" status by (I estimate) Tuesday.
So what. No one is holding people to what they were doing when they were kids and Dr. Dre should be no different.
The comments about Dres thuggery aren't ignorant. They're fact. Just like the fact that the dood has songs that advocate murdering police officers and everything else. You think these angry rappers are writing about feely good love stories? Talk about ignorant.....
Actually, yes what you said is very ignorant.
He is an artist that grew up in an area where he and those just like him were constantly profiled by police since they could walk. His friends (who were in the same scenario) were constantly frustrated with this way of life and they used art to get out their frustrations. Are you telling me that minority artists are the only ones without creative license to do so? I mean, Dre never shot anyone, never killed anyone. He worked hard. Got into an industry that usually chews young kids like him and spits them out and made a success of himself.
So he isn’t afforded the creative license so easily afforded to white artists? Johnny cash can sing about “shot(ing) a man in Reno, just to watch him die” and he’s a folk hero and music legend. Billy Joel can sing “Goodnight Saigon” without serving even one tour but there is no issues there. Hell, that jackass Ted Nugent can – not even in lyrics, in between songs – openly talk about shooting Obama and no one actually thinks he’s going out and looking for an opportunity to kill the President (it was just bad taste). I can list hundreds of lyrics white artists have recorded where creative licence is afforded to them without having them held accountable for each and every line they have ever wrote.
However that does not get extended to hip hop. If you mention drugs, you are a drug dealer (though Sinatra talks about doing coke in “I get a Kick out of you” in a very casual way), if you mention guns, your a murderer (Foster for the People’s “Pumped up kicks” has a line warning potential victims to "outrun my gun" and that they "better run, better run, faster than my bullet.”). Hip hop, and those that use it as a means to tell their story, ones like their’s or highlight social issues both personal or observed need to – for some reason – be held accountable for truth in every line they write.
These “angry rappers” as you eloquently put it, are “angry” because they are held to a different bar than other artists (and people) are simply because they are either different or they aren’t creating your cup of tea. They are “angry” because even when they succeed, they are held back.
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I like a quality listening experience as much as the next guy. Having headphones that can deliver sound to your ear with much the same quality as an orchestra in a well designed concert hall is very refreshing and worth a lot of money. That being said, while I have had that experience with a few very nice headphones, I do not spend the vast majority of my music listening time savoring every detail of a beautiful musical soundscape.
Most of my music listening time is background to something else Im actually paying attention to, and spending a lot of money for background precision I wont notice seems wasteful to me. If you have/make the time to enjoy quality recordings with the best audio precision, you obviously have a reason to buy expensive headphones.
But you do not have a reason to criticise other peoples music listening habits.
Personally, when I make the time to enjoy music for the sake of music, especially if Im in the mood for classical or jazz or something like that, I go listen to it live. Does that mean I get to call you a slacker, and point out that no recording will ever capture the accuracy of a live performance? Because if so, how does it feel to listen to music in such a crappy manner?
Call me crazy, but why is it necessary to spend hundreds of dollars for headphones? When did this become the trend? I get it that people want a quality listening experience, but the sheer number of these headphones on the market makes me wonder when this all happened.
If you had told me five years ago about a pair of $200 headphones, I would have said "good luck selling those," but it seems they're all over the place now, so apparently people buy them.
As for me, I'm quite content with my Apple earbuds, thank you.
They're definitely the best free headphones available, and they're more than sufficient for casual listening. But there's nothing wrong with upgrading your music listening experience. And there are plenty of high quality headphones for around $100, while others are overpriced because of the brand.
Hey, I have an idea! Why don't we just let people buy what sounds and looks good to them without judging them?
I've worked in the music business for 30 years from radio to the recording end to A&R. I've owned several pairs of headphones that drastically differ in appearance, sound EQ and build quality. I loved them all. I currently own Shure E5's, B&W P5's, Bose QC3's, Sennheiser Momentum's and Beats Wireless. I actually use the beats the most these days (along with a apt-X adapter on my devices and tv's that do not have apt-X) because I am tired of wires when using portable devices and with the apt-X codec, they sound far better than standard bluetooth (my MacBook Air actually DOES have apt-X but my iPhone 5 and iPad Air surprisingly do not). When I was in the recording studio I used Fostex and AKG's...Loved them both.
Anyway, my point is, people use headphones for many different reasons and everyone has different ears and likes different sounds/EQ and different styles. With the explosion of portable media devices, people are wearing headphones more than ever. If someone wants to spend $200, $300 on Beats headphones because they like the sound, or like the look/style or even because their favorite athlete wears them, good for them. It doesn't bother me at all.
As I stated, I like the sound of my Beats Wireless for using portable devices playing low res AAC or MP3 files or watching tv/movies late at night. I love my P5's for a more detailed sound with higher res music. I love the Shure E5's when I want to block all outside sound and I use the Bose QC3's when traveling. I use the Sennheisers in the studio or for critical reference listening. Lots of different looks/styles and EQ's. I love them all (when I was on the radio, I mostly used AKG and Sennheiser headphones as they not only sounded great, but were very comfortable for wearing 6 hours straight).
On a sidenote, those that are ripping Jimmy Iovine for not knowing good sound might want to take a look back at his bio...see the classic albums he recorded. You may not like the EQ on his Beats headphones, but this guy knows good sound. Here is a sample:
In the early 1970s, Iovine became a recording engineer, working with John Lennon[9] and Bruce Springsteen, among others. By 1973, Iovine was on staff at the New York studio the Record Plant,[10] where he worked on Springsteen's Born to Run and Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell albums. He came to prominence via his work on the 1978 Patti Smith album Easter, which included her Top 40 hit, "Because the Night". He teamed with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on Damn the Torpedoes and U2 on Rattle & Hum. Iovine also produced Bella Donna (the first solo album for Stevie Nicks), Making Movies for Dire Straits, and Get Close for The Pretenders, in addition to many others.
I've worked in the music business for 30 years from radio to the recording end to A&R. I've owned several pairs of headphones that drastically differ in appearance, sound EQ and build quality. I loved them all. I currently own Shure E5's, B&W P5's, Bose QC3's, Sennheiser Momentum's and Beats Wireless. I actually use the beats the most these days (along with a apt-X adapter on my devices and tv's that do not have apt-X) because I am tired of wires when using portable devices and with the apt-X codec, they sound far better than standard bluetooth (my MacBook Air actually DOES have apt-X but my iPhone 5 and iPad Air surprisingly do not). When I was in the recording studio I used Fostex and AKG's...Loved them both.
Anyway, my point is, people use headphones for many different reasons and everyone has different ears and likes different sounds/EQ and different styles. With the explosion of portable media devices, people are wearing headphones more than ever. If someone wants to spend $200, $300 on Beats headphones because they like the sound, or like the look/style or even because their favorite athlete wears them, good for them. It doesn't bother me at all.
As I stated, I like the sound of my Beats Wireless for using portable devices playing low res AAC or MP3 files or watching tv/movies late at night. I love my P5's for a more detailed sound with higher res music. I love the Shure E5's when I want to block all outside sound and I use the Bose QC3's when traveling. I use the Sennheisers in the studio or for critical reference listening. Lots of different looks/styles and EQ's. I love them all (when I was on the radio, I mostly used AKG and Sennheiser headphones as they not only sounded great, but were very comfortable for wearing 6 hours straight).
On a sidenote, those that are ripping Jimmy Iovine for not knowing good sound might want to take a look back at his bio...see the classic albums he recorded. You may not like the EQ on his Beats headphones, but this guy knows good sound. Here is a sample:
In the early 1970s, Iovine became a recording engineer, working with John Lennon[9] and Bruce Springsteen, among others. By 1973, Iovine was on staff at the New York studio the Record Plant,[10] where he worked on Springsteen's Born to Run and Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell albums. He came to prominence via his work on the 1978 Patti Smith album Easter, which included her Top 40 hit, "Because the Night". He teamed with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on Damn the Torpedoes and U2 on Rattle & Hum. Iovine also produced Bella Donna (the first solo album for Stevie Nicks), Making Movies for Dire Straits, and Get Close for The Pretenders, in addition to many others.
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You've listened to all of Dr. Dre's music? Because I sure haven't, but I can assure you that is not all he's known for. Considering he founded the most popular headphone brand in America.
Well, depending on what youre listening to, obviously. The Black Eyed Peas probably sound much better on the Beats. More bass, and there is nothing else. Their songs are all bass. Right up Beats alley.
The post I quoted didn't mention 'MacRacists'. We probably agree about many points, I for one abhor subjugating anyone, but maybe your point was lost in hyperbole.
You asserted that if someone didn't like Beats it was because of subconscious racism. How do you know this? You don't know, but stated your assumption as fact.
Again, all assumption.
You made the correlation that 'tech world racism' is caused 'largely' by limited involvement in tech revolution by people with black skin. Another assumption. It doesn't mean your wrong, but just stating it as fact doesn't automatically mean it's true.
Anyway, peace out, citizens of earth!
I was going to go with 2/5ths of the people buying headphones in the US like hip hop or other similarly bass heavy genres of music. Seems a little less confrontational than saying they have no taste.
It just shows that marketing works. Those people buying Beats have no idea how much better quality headphones they can get for the same money, cause the actual companies that produce quality headphones are trying to appeal to professionals (people with money) .
I admit that Beats have excellent marketing for a crap product, but boy does it work. Very surprised by the 40%.
Personally if I was from the USA, I'd grab a set of Grados .
Nothing I've said was illogical or hyperbolic.
There is such a thing as context. I was referring to people who haven't even used the product. You even quoted my post and left that out. It's one thing not to like a product its another to go in a thread talking about hiphop culture and how beats suck and dr dre's behavior (which is perfectly normal under the circumstances)...yada yada... Read the threads to keep up.
All of the controversy is around Dr. Dre. Read the threads again and look at the large number of likes gOrl so you can keep up. Don't try to act like I'm criticizing one offs. I'm criticizing a much larger base of people and rightfully so.
CNN has even done specials about black people being largely absent from the tech revolution and it's benefits. I've seen the racism among the techies first hand as I work in that world. I cringed and even I was offended for my friends. So I'm speaking at least partly from my personal experience in real life and on this forum.
Additionally, one only has to look at past acquisitions Apple made in which the companies were not profitable and didn't do much for Apple's bottom line. No outcry from the MacRacists. Financials didn't matter before. Business integration didn't matter either. Now people are so concerned...but Ive has worked with Apple previously and the financials are about as solid as a startup company can get.
I believe in math and logic.
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Just a thought about how this thread generates sub-flames and private keyboard wars...
There are posters here who probably feel that many of the posts in this thread are racist. Some of the posters may actually be racist, too. But unless a post is explicitly racist, it weakens the position of any poster to bring up race as an issue.
There are a lot of non-racial reasons as to why people don't like the Beats acquisition, such as perception of inferior products/services, not being explicitly "core" to Apple, dilution of brand, etc.
There are posters here who probably feel that many of the posts in this thread are racist. Some of the posters may actually be racist, too. But unless a post is explicitly racist, it weakens the position of any poster to bring up race as an issue.
There are a lot of non-racial reasons as to why people don't like the Beats acquisition, such as perception of inferior products/services, not being explicitly "core" to Apple, dilution of brand, etc.