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I think cross service (e.g. between RCS implementations) e2e encryption is a fantasy. If you can't verify the endpoints, then it isn't e2ee. And without e2ee, integrating RCS into iMessage group chats becomes an issue.

As I've said, I'm not high on RCS as a solution.

That's too bad. I know Apple said they were working on improving the encryption so hopefully they can figure out a way. But it kind of sounds like we might only be getting a basic upgrade to SMS/MMS. I would think the issue with encryption and group chats, namely that if a green bubble enters a group chat it bumps everyone onto unencrypted SMS, would be a prime motivation for Apple to get this right and avoid the bad PR.
 
It makes no sense for this company to keep trying to cobble things together to make this work. Once RCS support comes to Apple Messages very few will jump through all these hoops when they can just open Google Messages and have a full featured chat exchange with an iPhone user. Well maybe the bubble color will matter to a few high school kids, but if blue bubbles are that important to them they really just need to get an iPhone.
 
No self-respecting Android users would go through all those troubles. They would more likely happy messing up message threads for iMessage users like they do now. All they have to do is react to someone's reaction and it messed up the thread for everybody.
 
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This is the dumbest crap and both sides are petty and greedy to various extend.

I have never for a nano second cared the colors of the bubbles and from what I see many people who care do it for the tackiest reasons.

Even for those who are concerned about privacy, security or whatever, know that none of these companies are to be fully trusted. They will all willingly give away your data for the right price or reasons to them, just some more ready than others.
 
Attracting attention of legislators IS THE POINT.

If Apple isn't willing to open up the iMessage protocol on their own, they need to be forced to do it, either through the courts or with new legislation.
Why? Why do they need to open up their intellectual property, that they spent millions of dollars creating, on a platform they created, to a third party platform that just wants to use it for free and didn’t contribute anything to its production?

“Toyota should let me buy a brand new Ferrari from their dealership and be able to service it just as well as the Ferrari dealership can. This isn’t fair.”
 
Apple cares about Apple users as long as they use Apple hardware, software and services.
Apple's argument have always been that iMessage, being an Apple service is secure, while using SMS is insecure.

Apple doesn't car when Apple users have to communicate with Android or Windows users. nor should they. Apple should never help Apple users becoming better at communicating outside the Apple ecosystem.

Those iPhone users who care about security when it comes to short text messages to Android users, will be able to find a solution.
Why not just go all in and not allow iPhone users to call anyone but other iPhone users.
 
This issue sounds like what Microsoft went through with Internet Explorer 🤷with anticompetitive laws etc fact is SMS 1.0 aka green bubble isn't encrypted so how can Apple say there messaging is secured when in fact it is not so are iOS users sms/iMessage app secure?iwonder
 
So you’re saying Android users also shouldn’t be sending emails to iCloud Mail addresses, for risk of overloading Apple’s servers? Yeah, that totally makes sense.
Logic fault.

iCloud mail address is open to anyone to send to. They have designed to allow windows/mac/android/ios clients send email to them. iMessage didn't design to allow other system to tap into it.

As I said before, if Apple have designed to allow Android or whoever system to use iMessage, all power to these users. If they have designed to allow non-apple users to use that system, that means they have already done the sizing for the infrastructure to accommodate the load. iMessage isn't the case because it was designed and target for Apple users only and the sizing of the infrastructure was designed ONLY to accommodate the load from Apple users.


Simple enough?
 
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"In its latest effort to keep the service afloat, Beeper will suggest that users get hold of an old iPhone to get iMessage working on their Android phone. Users will then be asked to install a free Beeper tool to generate an iMessage registration code that will reinstate the ability to register phone numbers on the service. The catch is that the iPhone must first be jailbroken, and it must be kept plugged into power, at home, and connected to Wi-Fi for periodic registration re-requests."

--Godspeed to the eight people that try this.
 
This is beyond ridiculous. If you want blue bubbles so badly, just get an iPhone. In the long run it will be cheaper and way easier.
 
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Why would an Android user care enough about iMessage to jump through all these hoops?

I get that Beeper's parent company is trying anything they can to keep their product alive, but it's pretty clear that any workarounds they do find will be short lived. Apple doesn't want it, so this product is already dead. At some point they are going to have to accept that reality instead of continuing to light their VC $$ on fire.
You do realize that Beeper has gotten more free advertisement from this than they’ve invested in engineering this solution, right? There is a reason the didn’t put it in their fully fledged Beeper app.
 
You do realize that Beeper has gotten more free advertisement from this than they’ve invested in engineering this solution, right? There is a reason the didn’t put it in their fully fledged Beeper app.

They did actually put it in the main app, they replaced the hack where they kept everyone's ID on a server farm to the Pypush hack. The plan was to slowly migrate the features from the original app to to the new app. This is actually why they fubared themselves, if they left the original app alone users would have still have had a way to activate iMessage.
 
This is a horrible idea. Most people who jailbreak their iPhones at least have an idea of what they're doing and have a good reason to. People who just want to use Beeper probably aren't familiar with jailbreaking and won't know what to do if things go wrong.
 
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Rescue? Lol. If you want iMessage, buy an Apple product. If you don’t want iMessage, that’s fine too. Silly argument over personal preferences
 
How many people do they think will jailbreak an iPhone just to use their compromised service?
 
I’m clearly a desperate and mindless Google sheep for wanting to try a new platform and not annoy my friends.
your words.
ome iPhone users want to try and use the other phone platform
use what you want and not worry about your preference bothering anyone else.
Doesn’t mean that adding iMessage and Apple Cash to Android, suddenly turns iOS into Android.
In order to have feature/app parity between Android and IOS, Apple would have to "break" ios up entirely to be able to update each specific app that ties into iMessage thereby essentially fundamentally changing the very nature of IOS. Making it more akin to Android yes. That's common sense.

guess Apple phones just suck without Facebook apps lmao
Well apparently androids suck without iMessge. go figure
No self-respecting Android users would go through all those troubles.
I think they stopped carrying about self-respect when they decided to go buy used mac minis and old iPhones just for blue bubbles lol
You do realize that Beeper has gotten more free advertisement from this than they’ve invested in engineering this solution, right? There is a reason the didn’t put it in their fully fledged Beeper app.

they did put it in their full fledged beeper app and charged 3 bucks a month for it after bragging about apple not being able to block them without blocking all of us on Message.
In the words of Maury povich "The lie detector has determined that was a lie."

This advertisement? Hmm it got them trending for a month but we are now a month later and they have literally admitted defeat and are instead going back to their little dungeon to work on their app without iMessage.

All they have done is made themselves look a fool and have the audacity to act like they care about users and security (but they literally use google services and products, the irony) when in reality this was just an instant cash grab because they know the apple dislike is high and that android users will pay whatever to stick it to apple. And it's sad
 
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It’s already too late for them to quit while they are ahead.
I almost read this wrong lol. I was like when were they ever ahead lol
How many people do they think will jailbreak an iPhone just to use their compromised service?
You should read the beeper subreddit for the giggles. It literally has post after post on people buying used iPhones and older mac minis.
it's truly hilarious.
 
I created an account just to reply to this article. Whomever wrote it has an embarrassingly shallow understanding of how Beeper worked and likely iMessage as well. Those of you cheering it on are in the same boat (or, sinking ship).

Let's get you to understand the basics here. Your iPhone is the one using '90s-era technology to communicate with the rest of the world. You should be angry at Apple for purposely not keeping up with the latest technologies in order to keep you hostage, for which Beeper speculates is because Apple knows their product is not good enough by itself to keep you.

Non-iPhone users don't want to be on the iMessage platform anymore than you want us to (there are better, more interoperable systems available), but 50% of the U.S. is using it, and most of them are too naive or ignorant to realize the bubble color is their own fault, so to get the only ones whining about it to shut up, Beeper, AirMessage, BlueBubbles, SunBird, etc. will continue to be a thing.
 
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I created an account just to reply to this article. Whomever wrote it has an embarrassingly shallow understanding of how Beeper worked and likely iMessage as well. Those of you cheering it on are in the same boat (or, sinking ship).

Let's get you to understand the basics here. Your iPhone is the one using '90s-era technology to communicate with the rest of the world. You should be angry at Apple for purposely not keeping up with the latest technologies in order to keep you hostage, for which Beeper speculates is because Apple knows their product is not good enough by itself to keep you.

Non-iPhone users don't want to be on the iMessage platform anymore than you want us to (there are better, more interoperable systems available), but 50% of the U.S. is using it, and most of them are too naive or ignorant to realize the bubble color is their own fault, so to get the only ones whining about it to shut up, Beeper, AirMessage, BlueBubbles, SunBird, etc. will continue to be a thing.
Hey, are you the guy in the movie Titanic that said, "God himself could not sink this ship"?
 
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