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great i just spent $500 on the exact same iPad i already have. man apple is starting to suck with these incremental updates!

Its easy to get away with on computers, but on disposable mobile Tech, you really need to beat yourself when releasing something new!

I think Arn said it before, but again.

I don't think the word exact means what you think it means ;)
 
I am not saying it's a big deal the lack of a CPU increase. However, if you plan to use a device 3 years or so a not improved CPU means a shorter useful lifespan on a device (no different than a normal computer) as software requirements go up over the years.

So I agree, CPU not being improved doesn't really matter right now. In 2 years from now you WILL wish they had at least given you a 1 year newer CPU. LOL, guess that's one way to keep sales going :p

i think the GPU and RAM increase make up for that.
 
great i just spent $500 on the exact same iPad i already have. man apple is starting to suck with these incremental updates!

Its easy to get away with on computers, but on disposable mobile Tech, you really need to beat yourself when releasing something new!

So you already had an iPad with a retina display? !!! Wowsers....
You should have put that on ebay - it would have made a fortune.



I must agree. It certainly is terrible that Apple force you into the store with your arm twisted and make you purchase their new product....

Oh wait, they didn't actually do that ? They merely released a new product and you 'chose' to buy it...


Oh well with the higher definition screen, the iPRON will look better, you can 'beat yourself off' instead....
 
great i just spent $500 on the exact same iPad i already have. man apple is starting to suck with these incremental updates!

Its easy to get away with on computers, but on disposable mobile Tech, you really need to beat yourself when releasing something new!

Don't blame apple for your happy trigger finger. You could have just waited like the rest of us.
 
I suspect they will upgrade the ipad in September with an ARM A15 based quad core. or not...

A15 dual core devices only will start to get introduced around that time, let alone quad cores. Plus Apple will need millions of chips ahead of time to stock up on the inventory. I was hoping for A15 too but that was a pipedream considering just how big iPad has gotten - Apple needs that many chips.

It's unfortunate but looks like it was just impossible to get both faster CPU and the monster SGX543MP4 GPU at the same time with the current Samsung manufacturing process while having enough time to get those chips ready in quantity. Apple could've probably gone ahead with a faster CPU at the expense of a slower GPU but I think the current compromise is a good one considering the Retina display. iOS is a lot more GPU-driven than Android.
 

If I did this right, the comparisons look like this:
Code:
                              iPad 2   iPad 3  Change
Egypt Fixed Time       ms      47551   47261    -1%
Egypt High             Fps     59.3    59.9      1%
Egypt Offscreen 720p   Fps     90.1    140.9    56%
Egypt Standard         Fps     59.6    59.9      1%
Pro Fixed Time         ms      20868   20857     0%
Pro High               Fps     59.3    60        1%
Pro Offscreen 720p     Fps     151     252.1    67%
Pro Standard           Fps     60      60        0%
 
So you already had an iPad with a retina display? !!! Wowsers....
You should have put that on ebay - it would have made a fortune.



I must agree. It certainly is terrible that Apple force you into the store with your arm twisted and make you purchase their new product....

Oh wait, they didn't actually do that ? They merely released a new product and you 'chose' to buy it...


Oh well with the higher definition screen, the iPRON will look better, you can 'beat yourself off' instead....

Actually, it won't look better. The retina display doesn't automatically 'improve' the quality of an image that wasn't high quality to begin with.

I can't think of any website in their right mind that would display 'retina quality' images - that would take a ridiculously long time to load.

What people don't seam to understand, is that the retina display is mainly beneficial when viewing apps that conform to the new resolution (ie. updated images).
 
If you have an iPad 2 and decided to buy the new iPad before knowing the detailed specs, please don't complain about it.

You now have two iPads, you can easily sell the iPad 2 for a decent price, or you could give it to someone you love who will surely appreciate it more than you do. Worst case scenario you can still cancel your order.

Best idea: Maybe all the iPad 2 owers complaining that there was not a big enough upgrade could donate their iPad 2s to Foxconn employees who painstakingly build them by hand for 12 hours or more a day but rarely even get to see or use the working product, let alone own one.

Us consumers need to start looking at the real cost of our insatiable demand for constant upgrades. Technology is moving ahead, and that is surely a positive thing, but what about sustainability and fair labor? If the iPad was made the USA, it would cost thousands of dollars.

Please just stop with all the complaints. If you can afford a new iPad like me, do yourself a favor and try not to take for granted how lucky you really are. Consider the world we all live in, and share.

Yeah i was only joking. The new reality is we buy these products only anticipating to keep them until the new one comes out.

And i'm not sure what your comment about foxconn employees is supposed to imply!?! No one forced them to work there. they knew the pay and long hours when they applied. Are we supposed to reward them for working? Plus it isnt like Apple is the first company to use overseas labor. That XBOX or Playstation 3 you play, or alarm clock on your night stand, Television on your wall, Pretty much any mass produced item in electronics is assembled the same way. Its been that way for decades... just because Apple is the biggest company in the world doesn't mean they should be held responsible for standard business practices that have been in place well before they came about.
 
Actually, it won't look better. The retina display doesn't automatically 'improve' the quality of an image that wasn't high quality to begin with.

I can't think of any website in their right mind that would display 'retina quality' images - that would take a ridiculously long time to load.

What people don't seam to understand, is that the retina display is mainly beneficial when viewing apps that conform to the new resolution (ie. updated images).

I was being sarcastic.. I 'actually' didn't mean it ;)
 
If I did this right, the comparisons look like this:
Code:
                              iPad 2   iPad 3  Change
Egypt Fixed Time       ms      47551   47261    -1%
Egypt High             Fps     59.3    59.9      1%
Egypt Offscreen 720p   Fps     90.1    140.9    56%
Egypt Standard         Fps     59.6    59.9      1%
Pro Fixed Time         ms      20868   20857     0%
Pro High               Fps     59.3    60        1%
Pro Offscreen 720p     Fps     151     252.1    67%
Pro Standard           Fps     60      60        0%
Yes, but keep in mind only the 720p tests don't have v-sync, so the others don't show anything other than them both being able to achieve 60 FPS at native resolution.

These results are less than double what the iPad 2 scores, but at 2048x1536 the difference may grow.
 
Again with the people thinking there will be a September update :rolleyes:

This entire thread is verbatim from one year ago. Just transpose the 3's (or "New iPad") for 2's. It's quite hilarious

History truly does repeat itself.
 
I know that they lost the performance crown a while back but putting the new ipad side by side to the old transformer prime really shows how bad things are.

I wasn't complaining because of Android Devices. Apple is in competition with itself, no one else.

You could cram an i7 into an Android tablet and it will still be so poorly executed that less than a dozen people would buy it.

I have yet to see an Android tablet in the wild. I think 3 people bought the Transformer Prime
 
The only reason I'd upgrade is for that display, and that isn't enough for me. I'll be first in the queue for an iPad 4, mind you.
 
What people don't seam to understand, is that the retina display is mainly beneficial when viewing apps that conform to the new resolution (ie. updated images).

My main reason for skipping the previous 2 iPads and buying this one is quite old fashioned: reading! Once you go hi-ppi, there ain't going back.
 
If I did this right, the comparisons look like this:
Code:
                              iPad 2   iPad 3  Change
Egypt Fixed Time       ms      47551   47261    -1%
Egypt High             Fps     59.3    59.9      1%
Egypt Offscreen 720p   Fps     90.1    140.9    56%
Egypt Standard         Fps     59.6    59.9      1%
Pro Fixed Time         ms      20868   20857     0%
Pro High               Fps     59.3    60        1%
Pro Offscreen 720p     Fps     151     252.1    67%
Pro Standard           Fps     60      60        0%

If so, that's awesome. It means the GPU can swing those extra pixels around as fast as the iPad 2 could. Of course it will be more important when we can see it in some actual games that are pushing the "features" of the GPU more.
 
It appears that the new iPad also uses the Retina iPhone interface for 1x mode now. ;)

Haven’t seen this documented anywhere else, but that would be great news. There’s a few iPhone only apps I still run, and being able to run the retina version would be a nice upgrade (I realize there’s a JB solution for this too).
 
My main reason for skipping the previous 2 iPads and buying this one is quite old fashioned: reading! Once you go hi-ppi, there ain't going back.
Yep, I do a ton of reading on my iPad, this is a huge deal. Shiny graphics already look nice on the iPad 2. Text looks terrible compared to the 4S screen.
 
This is for one, an iPhone rendition; check out the size of the buttons. Secondly, it was used from the xcode app tester; check the rounded edges. I don't think this is real at all.

You're only at stage one of the disappointment of the new iPad.
Just work through the stages.

1.Denial — "Those benchmarks aren't real. The new iPad is not even released."

2.Anger — "Why didn't apple show us the real benchmarks with data when they released the new iPad !!!"

3.Bargaining — "It only cost me $300 to upgrade to the new iPad from my iPad2. The screen is better anyway."

4.Depression — "Why did I even bother upgrading? Now my friends and family will know I was duped by apple into spending money that is not justified."

5.Acceptance — "Ok, apple got me with their hype. I will justify my purchase saying the screen is better for emailing & web surfing."
 
If so, that's awesome. It means the GPU can swing those extra pixels around as fast as the iPad 2 could. Of course it will be more important when we can see it in some actual games that are pushing the "features" of the GPU more.
I still feel like 3D games would be better off running at 1024x768 and pushing more polygons, textures, etc, but I don't know the specifics of that tradeoff.
 
Who cares about the geekbench scores?
Does scrolling lag? No
Is it slow? No
Is it powerful enough to run the display? Yes
Does it run graphic intensive games well? Yes

To all you people who say "I won't buy it until its quad core" ect ect, I feel sorry for you!

As a developer and a geek in general, I'm of course interested in how much RAM there is, just to have some idea as to how much RAM an app has to work with. And the Geekbench score is interesting.

Consumers may be trying to decide between buying the new iPad, or the iPad 2 (or deciding whether or not to upgrade from iPad 2). For the non-technical, your list of questions being answered might be enough, but specs such as RAM and maybe even the Geekbench score might influence the decision of a more technical buyer (or influence the advice a technical person gives a non-technical buyer). I saw one review that was aimed at musicians, that basically said "meh" to the new iPad, because they said that for music production apps, there was a negligible difference between it and the iPad 2. While this may be true for current music production apps right now, one might want to use specs/benchmarks to make a prediction where the capabilities of future music apps may go in the future. For a contrived example: if a music production app can currently handle a max of 16 tracks with 2 effects per track, maybe with 1GB of RAM and a faster CPU, 32 tracks with 4 effects per track will become a possibility. Or maybe with no improvement in a particular benchmark, we can predict that increasing the number of effects per track is not a possibility. It's kinda hit-or-miss, but educated guesses can be made with enough information and understanding .

That all said, my reasoning with how I would approach Apple's iOS product purchases is somewhat non-technical: always buy the latest generation device to ensure the longest amount of time before Apple stops supporting it or the device becomes sluggish and unusable with new software (not just Apple's software updates, but 3rd parties). IMHO, pricing of refurbs or even Ebay are not sufficiently low as to make up for the reduced usable lifespan (especially for the larger capacities). The only exception may be if you get a really good price/trade on a used device. This is because with iOS devices, improvements are being made rapidly, and devices are becoming obsolete at a faster pace then, say, Macs. With Macs you can buy a previous gen refurb and have it be worth it, especially when it's just a CPU/GPU bump that is the difference.
 
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A15 dual core devices only will start to get introduced around that time, let alone quad cores. Plus Apple will need millions of chips ahead of time to stock up on the inventory. I was hoping for A15 too but that was a pipedream considering just how big iPad has gotten - Apple needs that many chips.

It's unfortunate but looks like it was just impossible to get both faster CPU and the monster SGX543MP4 GPU at the same time with the current Samsung manufacturing process while having enough time to get those chips ready in quantity. Apple could've probably gone ahead with a faster CPU at the expense of a slower GPU but I think the current compromise is a good one considering the Retina display. iOS is a lot more GPU-driven than Android.

Agreed!
 
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