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Best Buy Guesses at a March MacBook Pro Release Date as Supplies Constrain
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MacBook Air -
256GB SSD starting at 1599
128 GB SSD starting at 1199
I'm not living in a dream.
The $400 price difference between the two is real. You'll see that actual price difference at retail.
And since SSD is the only option, you don't know how much margin for the SSD that apple is building into the product.
128GB seems perfectly reasonable, those that use up tons of hard drive space will be interested in an external anyways (even if they would have a 300GB+ HDD space).
What are you talking about? When did I ever say 256GB was enough storage for everyone?because 256 GB is enough storage right
Flash storage is flash storage no matter how it's wrapped.
Ahem... "starting". The difference between the 128 and 256 on Apple's site is $300 and the markup Apple puts on it is no where near what they actually pay for it. Once again, the price difference at retail is no where NEAR what Apple pays for it. If you honestly believe it does then you have no idea how bulk purchasing works.
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How about this..
Add a 8GB SSD (We know Apple buys these in bulk for AppleTV already...) + the normal 250GB-500GB hard drive to give the Mac Book Pros "instant on" like the air.
Add a 8GB SSD (We know Apple buys these in bulk for AppleTV already...) + the normal 250GB-500GB hard drive to give the Mac Book Pros "instant on" like the air
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Id appreciate it to be a bit thinner, make sure Apple kicks all the bugs out of it that this generation has such as drive issues, logic board issues etc. I cant wait for this to happen. My only problem is Im not quite sure how to sell the current MBP I have. Also, about SSD's, I wouldnt mind em, but if the price were to raise, and I wouldnt have my same capacity ((500GB)) Id be a bit pissed. Maybe they should consider hybrid drives?
Sorry, was going off of the prices you misquoted. Still, the point remains that the price delta is retail price delta. That's the only factual data we have. We have no idea what apple actually pays for the drives themselves, but given they charge full price difference between 128 GB and 256 GB models, I see no reason to believe they are taking losses or even poor margins.
Tear down sites have noted that the increase from 16GB to 32GB or 32GB to 64GB NAND for iDevices is usually only about half of the $100 increase they are charged for.
I was assuming Apple will rather use the 25W i7 LV-CPUs (2649M and 2629M) than the 35W versions for cooling and battery reasons (and the 17W chips in the next MBA revision). Or might the extra $100 difference in OEM price be the reason for not using these versions?
LOL, the prices I "misquoted". I didn't misquote anything. I posted that you could get a MacBook Air starting at 1199 with an 128GB flash storage option which is true, then I posted the starting price of which you can get a 256GB option which was also true.
Apple charges $400 for 2x4GB's of RAM on the iMac when you can get that amount of RAM for around $100 from some other OEM. Whatever Apple markups is irrelevant to how much they charge us for it. Both of you are stating that it wouldn't be possible for Apple to do it because of how much it would cost them but it really isn't that much. You buy things in bulk they cost less, we don't need to know the exact price they pay. This isn't rocket science. You are simply implying that whatever Apple charges us means that that's how much they must pay for individually which is completely ridiculous to even think that. There's a reason why there are two for one sales.
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... My only problem is Im not quite sure how to sell the current MBP I have....
Craigslist has always worked well for me. Sold 2 Macbook Pros (the original core duo, and the first unibody) and got good prices for each, around 70% of the original retail price.
Assuming your machine is in pristine condition:
1. Use photos
2. have the box and all pack-ins
3.Never EVER meet in a private home. Always use public locations (Starbucks is really good).
4. Don't even respond to those emails offering mail order, money orders, shipping, etc. I always put at the bottom of my ad: Cash Only. In-Person transactions only
Good luck!
That's what I'm hoping, along with a faster graphics chipset (hoping for the new ATi but I very much doubt it).
April...
With the recent announcement of the errors found in SB chipsets causing manufacturing delays, I just can't see the 2011 updated MBP's coming out before April at the earliest now; which is gonna be torture for those on the fence right now holding out for the upcoming refresh...
With the recent announcement of the errors found in SB chipsets causing manufacturing delays, I just can't see the 2011 updated MBP's coming out before April at the earliest now; which is gonna be torture for those on the fence right now holding out for the upcoming refresh...
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8 gb likely wouldn't be enough. You might get the os on there but you would want to at least have all of your apps on there for the benefitted read and write speeds of ssd. Things like music and movies wouldn't really need to be on the ssd so something like an external hdd for your media collection would work well.
saxamoophone said:How about this..
Add a 8GB SSD (We know Apple buys these in bulk for AppleTV already...) + the normal 250GB-500GB hard drive to give the Mac Book Pros "instant on" like the air
8 gb likely wouldn't be enough. You might get the os on there but you would want to at least have all of your apps on there for the benefitted read and write speeds of ssd. Things like music and movies wouldn't really need to be on the ssd so something like an external hdd for your media collection would work well.
Yes, you quoted the 11" pricing versus 13" prices. With there being more than one variable of difference there, it's impossible to gauge the pricing impact. Thus, it was misleading at best.
I make no such claim. I'm talking about margins and what Apple typically does for margins. It's completely possible for Apple to offer 512 GB SSDs, but given that they charge retail cost difference for 128GB vs. 256GB models, it's safe to assume they'd do the same for 512GB, which means another $500 on top of the top end price. That makes the overall price wholly disproportionate and not likely something Apple would do.
I'm looking to buy a 13" MBP as a software synthesizer for live gigging. I could care less about solid-state HD. The first thing I'm going to do when buying this thing is rip out the HD and throw in a 500GB HD so I can fit all of my 300GB sample library. An i3 (or i5) processor upgrade would be nice, and obviously I'll need at least 4GB of RAM. Everything else is completely secondary. I couldn't care less about the GPU or graphics processor.
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I'll guess we'll see a presentation comming from Apple in the end of February/beginning of March called "Come see our latest creation" just like last year.
On this presentation we will see:
- Some impressive salesnumbers and updates on retailstores etc.
- "Now let's get over to the main-event".
- Talking about how revolutionary the first iPad is etc.
- Introducing the iPad 2.
- Bunch of demoes, etc.
- iOS 4.3.
- OSX Lion
- Thanks for comming this morning!
- ..but there's one more thing.
- 2011 MBP's introduced.
I'll guess we'll see a presentation comming from Apple in the end of February/beginning of March called "Come see our latest creation" just like last year.
On this presentation we will see:
- Some impressive salesnumbers and updates on retailstores etc.
- "Now let's get over to the main-event".
- Talking about how revolutionary the first iPad is etc.
- Introducing the iPad 2.
- Bunch of demoes, etc.
- iOS 4.3.
- OSX Lion
- Thanks for comming this morning!
- ..but there's one more thing.
- 2011 MBP's introduced.
Uhh, no, it wasn't misleading. You said it was a pipe dream now if we ever saw flash storage as the baseline and I provided an example as to why it wasn't a pipe dream and how it's already a reality. You were proven wrong and you've made multiple mistakes afterwards that you should own up to instead avoiding them like they never happened. Stop beating around the bush.
Apple's margins are all over the place. They charge more than 4x what it costs them to get RAM. You are simply implying that it would be a pipe dream simply because of Apple's margins when in reality Apple has free range to do whatever they want BECAUSE of their large margins. Whatever Apple decides to charge the consumer in the end is irrrelevant as to whether or not it's possible Apple does it because in the end it is possible. Whatever Apple chooses the margins will play themselves out. Apple stated that the next generation of MacBook's would be like the MacBook Air. What does that mean? Likely a loss of an optical drive and a gain of flash storage. YOU are living in a pipe dream if you think Apple plans on using HDD's in the next refresh.
Here's hoping for a redesigned 13" with no optical drive and at least an i3 processor. If it doesn't get these 2 things, I'm not interested.
As a former Product Process Sup myself, I have to agree, but it does put a smile on my face that someone is actually checking it!
No, I wasn't wrong, because we are talking about macbook pros, not macbook airs. They are a different type of computer (ultra portable vs. notebook) with different needs. A macbook pro with a standard SSD is a pipe dream in anything less than the update after the coming one.
Margins on BTOs are different than base configurations.
In a market where it makes sense. It makes sense to accept low margins on the iPad for example because it was a new market that was theirs for the taking. Large percentages of market share are still in the balance so it makes sense to keep their current strategy in play.
This is not the case with notebook sales. While mac market share is on the rise, notebook growth is much more modest (and being cannibalized by iPad sales). SSD as standard doesn't make sense because it doesn't meet the market's needs (low cost, high amount of storage available). BTO, sure, but not standard.
That's a gross misquote. They stated that the Macbook Air is their vision of what the laptop of the future is, not what the next MBP is going to be. They're not going to get rid of the optical drive yet because it would still alienate too many customers. It's coming, but not for a few years.