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No, I wasn't wrong, because we are talking about macbook pros, not macbook airs. They are a different type of computer (ultra portable vs. notebook) with different needs. A macbook pro with a standard SSD is a pipe dream in anything less than the update after the coming one.
Whether it's an ultra-portable or a notebook is irrelevant. I provided an example as to why it would be possible and you have done nothing to prove otherwise. Apple wants flash storage in all of their machines. The MacBook Air also used to have a HDD so your argument is as flat as can be. Also they have different needs? Last I checked anyone who owns a MBP most definitely wants an SSD over an HDD.

Margins on BTOs are different than base configurations.
No, they aren't. As can be easily seen when you upgrade a lower end machine to to be closer to that of a higher end machine using Apple's BTO options.

In a market where it makes sense. It makes sense to accept low margins on the iPad for example because it was a new market that was theirs for the taking. Large percentages of market share are still in the balance so it makes sense to keep their current strategy in play.

This is not the case with notebook sales. While mac market share is on the rise, notebook growth is much more modest (and being cannibalized by iPad sales). SSD as standard doesn't make sense because it doesn't meet the market's needs (low cost, high amount of storage available). BTO, sure, but not standard.
This is the biggest hunk of garbage I've read in this entire thread. For notebook computers flash memory is PERFECT. Apple isn't about low cost, buddy. The storage amount in an SSD is more than enough for a notebook computer.

That's a gross misquote. They stated that the Macbook Air is their vision of what the laptop of the future is, not what the next MBP is going to be. They're not going to get rid of the optical drive yet because it would still alienate too many customers. It's coming, but not for a few years.
No, they stated that it was the next generation of MacBooks. I just love how you are stating all of these things as is they are fact. "They are not going to eliminate the optical drive", "flash storage is a pipe dream" without providing any real evidence other than your opinion.

I've provided two examples to back up what I've been saying. One was that of the MacBook Air already has flash storage as default when you are claiming that having flash storage on any machine as baseline is a pipe dream. Then the second being the latest rumor that Apple is removing all physical media from their stores only to add to the move to completely digital via the Mac App Store. You are just wasting my time with your frivolous arguments.
 
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Finally.

Bought an iMac in 08' and then in 10' noticed I need a laptop and that my iPad is not enough. Saving since may of 10' and have $1450.
 
The difference is fairly big but it's not like this is the first time Apple has used flash storage in their machines. Whoever they buy from they buy at a majorly discounted price. You can't be comparing individual retail prices.



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Apple didn't but SSD's for the Air. They used flash memory soldered onto the logic board which ment it is not upgradeable. Not really acceptable for a "pro" machine.

The MBA SSD is not soldered to the LB, it is swapable. Your thinking of the ram modules.
 
Yikes, I don't know if I can wait until March, let alone April. I am ready to upgrade my late 2006 13'' Macbook to a Macbook Pro!:)
 
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Replace the NVIDIA GPU's with whatever the same TDP AMD Mobility 6XXX GPU's are if Apple decides to use AMD.

Chop by half the SSD size to begin with: I don't see MBP base model starting at 1199 with a 128 GB SSD, no way!

I'd be happy if it came with a MBA like SSD AND a standard HD (I'm dreaming, I know). I'd also LOVE to see the optical drive finally ditched in favour of a discrete GPU in the 13", I'd hate to see a downstep in graphics. i3 is fine to me BUT only if it's at least 10% faster than current base model.

Cheers
 
Honestly at this point I'd just call you a troll who has no idea what he's talking about but I guess I'll respond anyway.

That was uncalled for, I may not always agree with chrm but a troll? Not even close.

I tend to agree, the 500gb level ssd are still pretty expensive for a base build. I think we would be more likely to see a hybrid drive as a base

That would be a huge upgrade in speed and would satisfy customers that want a lot of storage space.
 
I really, really hope this is an accurate date. I want to get my first Mac but the looming refresh is holding me back. I promised myself I'd wait till the refresh instead of pulling the trigger on the current models.
 
Chop by half the SSD size to begin with: I don't see MBP base model starting at 1199 with a 128 GB SSD, no way!

I'd be happy if it came with a MBA like SSD AND a standard HD (I'm dreaming, I know). I'd also LOVE to see the optical drive finally ditched in favour of a discrete GPU in the 13", I'd hate to see a downstep in graphics. i3 is fine to me BUT only if it's at least 10% faster than current base model.

Cheers

13" MBA starts at $1299 with 128GB of flash storage and it also has a more expensive processor.


That was uncalled for, I may not always agree with chrm but a troll? Not even close.

I tend to agree, the 500gb level ssd are still pretty expensive for a base build. I think we would be more likely to see a hybrid drive as a base

That would be a huge upgrade in speed and would satisfy customers that want a lot of storage space.
Hybrid drive is only a possibility if Apple has space after they remove the optical drive and not change anything in relation to how thin it is but it is at this point the only other logical solution because Apple isn't sticking with HDD only for another refresh.
 
A march release would be great, but its still speculation.

I think SSDs are still too expensive for a standard option. Maybe a BTO, but not standard. I also do not want to give up the storage of a 500GB drive for a 128 to 256 SSD. There have also been some new 750GB drives released for laptops. I wouldn't mind one of those. And no I wouldn't want an SSD and an external larger drive as some have suggested, that for me defeats the whole "portability" aspect of laptops.

As far as getting rid of the optical drive, well I don't want that to happen. I still use my optical drive plenty thank you very much. Maybe in another 2-3 years it will be a different story for me, but not now.
 
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I'll be excited no matter which one they announce. Ive been holding off buying a Macbook and an iPad because an update is due. Either way it will be fun to hear the official specs on both machines.

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I'll be excited no matter which one they announce. Ive been holding off buying a Macbook and an iPad because an update is due. Either way it will be fun to hear the official specs on both machines.

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Nope, TDP is 10W higher. Probably won't see quad cores until Ivy Bridge at the earliest. Haswell will probably be when we see quad core notebooks from Apple as standard in any sense of the word.

Although TDP is 10W higher on quad cores, the figure represents worst case scenario. In most of the real world scenarios, battery life and heat dissipation will be less than current generation MBP.
 
Core i7-2620M is a pile of crap

Compared to it's predecessor the Core i7-640M currently used in the top end MacBooks Pros http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/26...vs_Intel_Core_i7_Mobile_i7-640M_(PGA988).html the Core i7-2620M is not better but worse: The clockrate is lower when everything else reamained the same. Presumably they had to lower the clock rate because of the larger power consumption of the integrated GPU: The processor remains stagnant, even regresses, only the ****** Intel-GPU that nobody really wants "improves" a little bit. What a ****. @Intel: when will you finally come out with some decent mobile quad cores (ones that consume less power than 45 Watts) so I can have them in my Mac Book Pro? I am totally mad! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Compared to it's predecessor the Core i7-640M currently used in the top end MacBooks Pros http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/26...vs_Intel_Core_i7_Mobile_i7-640M_(PGA988).html the Core i7-2620M is not better but worse: The clockrate is lower when everything else reamained the same. Presumably they had to lower the clock rate because of the larger power consumption of the integrated GPU: The processor remains stagnant, even regresses, only the ****** Intel-GPU that nobody really wants "improves" a little bit. What a ****. @Intel: when will you finally come out with some decent mobile quad cores (ones that consume less power than 45 Watts) so I can have them in my Mac Book Pro? I am totally mad! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Arrandale hit some high clock speeds late in life.
 
A march release would be great, but its still speculation.

I think SSDs are still too expensive for a standard option. Maybe a BTO, but not standard. I also do not want to give up the storage of a 500GB drive for a 128 to 256 SSD. There have also been some new 750GB drives released for laptops. I wouldn't mind one of those. And no I wouldn't want an SSD and an external larger drive as some have suggested, that for me defeats the whole "portability" aspect of laptops.

As far as getting rid of the optical drive, well I don't want that to happen. I still use my optical drive plenty thank you very much. Maybe in another 2-3 years it will be a different story for me, but not now.

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Apple buys in bulk, the price the receive an SSD at is much lower than what a consumer can buy for individually.

Yeah - unfortunately there's absolutely no way you'll get a 512GB SSD in a $2000 machine. Just doesn't add up. More like $3k, or a 256GB solid state storage - I am hoping for a MBA-like solution where it's not an actual drive... actually, in short, I am hoping for a 15" MacBook Air. I'd be all over that. How hard can it be?
 
Honestly at this point I'd just call you a troll who has no idea what he's talking about but I guess I'll respond anyway. Whether it's an ultra-portable or a notebook is irrelevant. I provided an example as to why it would be possible and you have done nothing to prove otherwise.

Of course it's possible, it doesn't make business sense. Why don't you try and address the question rather than deflecting with personal attacks?

Apple wants flash storage in all of their machines. The MacBook Air also used to have a HDD so your argument is as flat as can be. Also they have different needs? Last I checked anyone who owns a MBP most definitely wants an SSD over an HDD.

Of course they do, because SSD is Apple's vision of the future for notebooks. Most consumers want them too because they're faster, use less power and are resistant to drops.

But everyone still has to live in the real world. SSDs don't have enough storage space for a lot of consumers, and many consumers don't want to pay the huge $/GB premium that comes with them. Apple has to deal with this fact by base-lining their MBPs with a traditional HDD. This also makes them cost competitive. (which we'll get to later).

No, they aren't. As can be easily seen when you upgrade a lower end machine to to be closer to that of a higher end machine using Apple's BTO options.

Those models usually have fundamental differences such as different amounts of VRAM or an entirely different enclosure which doesn't make it a fair comparison. Basically, Apple designs a notebook to hit a certain margin and then prices BTO options to hit other margins. Whether or not these BTO upgrades reflect actual real world prices is seemingly arbitrary. If you disagree, provide a specific example.


This is the biggest hunk of garbage I've read in this entire thread. For notebook computers flash memory is PERFECT. Apple isn't about low cost, buddy. The storage amount in an SSD is more than enough for a notebook computer.

Is more than enough? OK, provide me some numbers from a random study with a sample size of at least 1000 showing that the vast majority would be fine being limited to 256 GB of hard drive space. Otherwise, you're spouting baseless opinion. My argument is also helped by the fact that no one else in this thread agrees with you.

Apple is about lowering costs because over the past few years, the cost of the MBP has gone down to appeal to a wider market.

No, they stated that it was the next generation of MacBooks. I just love how you are stating all of these things as is they are fact. "They are not going to eliminate the optical drive", "flash storage is a pipe dream" without providing any real evidence other than your opinion.

If you're specifically splicing words out of my statement, it doesn't look good for your argument. I clearly stated that flash storage as a baseline for MBPs is a pipe dream in the near future. The same for optical drives. I gave logical reasons for each of these citing consumer needs and cost. If you can't digest that logic, I can't help you.

I've provided two examples to back up what I've been saying. One was that of the MacBook Air already has flash storage as default when you are claiming that having flash storage on any machine as baseline is a pipe dream.

Nope, made no such claim.

Then the second being the latest rumor that Apple is removing all physical media from their stores only to add to the move to completely digital via the Mac App Store. You are just wasting my time with your frivolous arguments.

To make room for more profitable merchandise. No comment was made on how they'd accommodate the software that has yet to be released in the Mac App Store, with no guarantee of this happening. If apple removed the optical drive from all of their notebooks, hordes of fanatics would be breathing hellfire about how they have to pay for an external drive that is inconvenient and bulky. Apple could do a fork off to a MBP with no optical drive, but there is going to be a MBP with an optical drive for a good while.

Although TDP is 10W higher on quad cores, the figure represents worst case scenario. In most of the real world scenarios, battery life and heat dissipation will be less than current generation MBP.

While that is absolutely true, I don't know whether Apple is wanting to maintain a large TDP margin, hold on to every last ounce of precious battery life, or just avoid MBPs having quad cores whereas some of their desktops don't. In any event, come Haswell they won't have a choice.
 
Compared to it's predecessor the Core i7-640M currently used in the top end MacBooks Pros http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/26...vs_Intel_Core_i7_Mobile_i7-640M_(PGA988).html the Core i7-2620M is not better but worse: The clockrate is lower when everything else reamained the same. Presumably they had to lower the clock rate because of the larger power consumption of the integrated GPU: The processor remains stagnant, even regresses, only the ****** Intel-GPU that nobody really wants "improves" a little bit. What a ****. @Intel: when will you finally come out with some decent mobile quad cores (ones that consume less power than 45 Watts) so I can have them in my Mac Book Pro? I am totally mad! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Moore's law is no more in 2011 :(

I think it's due to a number of circumstances: Intel has no competition being the primary one. Secondly, low power is way more important than raw speed these days; trade-offs need to be made, and in terms of unit sales and customer experience, low power trumps speed every time. Even slow Intel processors are fast enough for anything users usually do with their computers. Even Flash :p Third, maybe they simply have a hard time improving their chips at this point - hit the 3Ghz barrier.. again.

As a power user I am probably one of the few people who could actually make use of the quad core's power, at least occasionally. But if I get to choose between a quad core with 3 hours battery life and a dual core with 6, I'll go for the latter.
 
i read somewhere that this flaw in the new chipset only appears when using more than 2 sata devices. apple has never sold a notebook computer with more than 2 sata devices, so if this is true, why couldn't they use these flawed chips? the flaw is not relevant with only 2 sata devices, at least according to what i have read. please correct me if this isn't the case.
 
Compared to it's predecessor the Core i7-640M currently used in the top end MacBooks Pros http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/26...vs_Intel_Core_i7_Mobile_i7-640M_(PGA988).html the Core i7-2620M is not better but worse: The clockrate is lower when everything else reamained the same. Presumably they had to lower the clock rate because of the larger power consumption of the integrated GPU: The processor remains stagnant, even regresses, only the ****** Intel-GPU that nobody really wants "improves" a little bit. What a ****. @Intel: when will you finally come out with some decent mobile quad cores (ones that consume less power than 45 Watts) so I can have them in my Mac Book Pro? I am totally mad! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Oh! I didn't know this. If this is true, then I'll be even happier with my brand new 15" MBP (Core i7 620M) . :p
 
128GB seems perfectly reasonable, those that use up tons of hard drive space will be interested in an external anyways (even if they would have a 300GB+ HDD space).

Be careful when you make comments like this, because the Macbook Pro appeals to a very wide variety of users. There are a LOT of people who need more than 300GB internally.

On a slighly unrelated note, less than 4 hours ago I just ordered a refurb 15" mbp to replace my 15" mbp with a dead logic board 72 days out of Applecare. If the refresh comes in with integrated solid-state storage like the Macbook Air, no optical drive, and a hard drive as well, this one I ordered is going right back.

In my dreamworld, there's be, say, a 128GB SSD + 512-750GB HDD. Then there'd be a controller that sees that as one big drive and automatically writes the stuff that's read from more often to the flash storage and the other stuff to the spinning media. Wouldn't that be grand.

Anyway, I'm ready for the optical drive to be gone from the computer. If I keep the one I have, I'll probably move the 512GB drive to where the optical drive used to be (after I remove it), and put an SSD in as a boot drive. For the guy who thought Apple won't remove the optical bay in this version, you might be right, but they do have a history of doing stuff like that, including removing parallel & serial ports, floppy drives, and for that matter the optical drive from the Macbook Air. There are probably still enough pro users out there who require optical drives (musicians, etc.) and they probably don't want to have a version with and a version without, so sadly (for me) they'll likely still be there after this refresh.

- Andrew.
 
I think all the macbook pros will have 64GB of flash storage plus a traditional HDD. up to 750GB. :)

are any of those sandy bridge chips quad cores ?
 
Those of you who think Apple can't drop DVD and HDs at the same time - you haven't been around long, have you? Apple has a long history of being the first to drop obsolete tech.

I'll make the case here:

1 - DVD/CD - this is a given. It's so trivial hardly worth spelling out here. DVDs and CDs are not needed in 2011 - the Mac App store removes the last reason to have them, installing software. A DVD will not be built into the next MBP - end of story. I personally can't believe they've waited so long - I haven't used my DVD drive in 2 years, and have actually replaced mine with an optibay SSD. Those who still use them for whatever reason - get an external drive.

2 - SSDs. I think there's a case to be made where 256GB is "enough". Sure you can use more if you are working in some fringe area of computing - but then you can probably shell out for a 512GB or even larger SSD too as you are a professional and use the computer for work.
The only other reason to use more is gigantic music collections or wanting to carry your 4TB of pirated movies around everywhere you go. Apple figures people don't generally want to do that, and I tend to agree. I watch movies once, then move them to external storage - but I realize I might as well delete them as I never watch them again for the most part.
If you give up on carrying large movie collections around, 256GB is enough in the same way 16GB is simply enough for an iPod. Apple knows this full well as their smaller capacity iPods vastly outsell the 160GB HD based model - nobody needs to carry around 3 months of continuous music, even if they have that much. A few days worth is plenty - and even the smallest capacity Flash based iPod can do that.

It's the same for computers. I think 128GB is a bit tight, from personal experience - my music, images, and maybe a few movies and apps easily exceed that. But 256GB would be enough. That would leave me with all my music, all my pictures (which I must say is a bit pointless to carry around - how often do I look at 10 year old pictures? never!), and the odd movie / series I want to still watch.

My estimate is based on practical experience with my 80GB SSD - it's tighter than I thought, just work, apps, and documents, email etc, take up around 70GB on my system. I have all my media on the 500GB HD, pictures, movies, music. I like to keep all pictures and music with me, not because I constantly use them but because it's easier to manage this way. But video, I really don't need to carry that, and I wonder if I even need to store it anywhere - I like to collect, but let's face it, anything I have I could always re-download. It's all stored in the collective that is the internet already.
 
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