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Does everyone really believe that Best Buy got roughly 150 TouchPads per store's worth of stock?

Is this only US Stock/US Stores? BestBuy Europe (which incorporates Carphone Warehouse) is selling (sorry, stocking) it.
Its not an unreasonable number BB (inc Europe) committed to 500,000 Nexus S to kick it off

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Google doesn't charge for Android. if they did the handsets would all be more expensive and people wouldn't be buying them.

The licence fee is insignificant to the cost of the phone. HTC pay $12 for WP7. Android sells well because it is on a wide variety of manufacturers across a range of price points and, outside the US, it is much cheaper
 
I tried a touched in store. it seemed descent although I am not sold on two things. one is card view being the main view. they need a desktop like Android with a separate gesture to enter card mode. also the ripples around your finger presses are very irritating. I am sure you can turn this off but it is stupid in the first place as I can clearly see where my finger is and feel when it touches the screen. I don't need the ripple to let me know. also it is thiclet than an iPad and heavier and feels like junk due to its smooth plastic back. pc makers are stupid and HP is no exception. just look at the laptops they ate selling with touched that feel horrible, and are shifted so you have to reach across your body to use it. anything comparable in quality to a MAC costs more like the HP envy.

The card view is the beauty of it. I wish Apples homes screen was the same. Make the applications a secondary screen (note the launcher on WebOS gives you that application view) and promote what Applications are currently open getting rid of that last used app bar garbage.
 
How many times have we heard that before?

"wait until the xoom comes"
"wait till galaxy tab comes"
"wait till touchpad comes"
"just wait until __________ (insert new tablet that is about to be released) comes"


Ipad dominates, and will continue to do so..

That's because Android does not translate well to tablets, plus 3rd party manufactures add their crappy UI on top of it.

Android phones: Great, work just fine (I own an EVO and despite popular belief it's actually fully usable)*
Android Tablets: Cheap plastic junk with a horrible 3rd party UI on top

* I also own an iPad, ipod touch, macbook pro and Mac Pro. You can enjoy multiple platforms at once.
 
make no doubt about it man... Android is a SERIOUS COMPETITOR(for phones)... i saw reports that they had a higher market share/etc than apple earlier this year... due to putting multiple devices on all networks...

apple cannot continue to release 1 phone every 12-15 months... when android puts out 2-3 every 4 months

Android is pretty much every bit as technologically sound as apple..

android a very scary competitor... with the exception of their customized OS's on various devices..

android proved something... give the customers MORE choices, stylish hardware and the popular features, and they could care less about a dominant brand or hardware brand

1) They do have an overall higher market share than Apple. There are more Android devices sold than Apple phones.

2) They can continue to do this and I think it HELPS them sell. You KNOW there is going to be a new version at a set period of time. Just look around here. People buy the newest Mac or MB, keep it in prestine condition, then sell it next year when the newest thing comes out. Ebay was flooded with 2010 MBAs before and after the new one dropped. It was crazy. Because you know a new one comes out and, I ould say this to be true, each new one is a lot better than the last, there's a strong tendency to sell what you have (because the value holds up) and just buy another one.

2.1) With Android phones (or Windows computers for that matter), they always have higher specs because anybody can make a device to run on it. However, with this method, you get fragmentation and the worry of buying something now (e.g., the Galaxy S 2 which is the best phone out right now in the world) when Samsung TOLD US they would have a better one release in Q1-2 of 2012.

3) Overall, I do agree with you. There are a plethora of devices for every carrier to chose from and, personally, I love Android over iOS because you can do anything with the phone. On my nexus 1 I had the trackball light up depending on what notification it was (tweet, facebook, sms, mms, gmail, phone signal, battery life), I could turn the screen off by hovering my hand over the proximity sensor, and I could overclock it and create exact backups (like Time Machine) to use any ROM I wanted, at any time.

It's nerdy but, as you might know, people who love to tinker get a dual core Android and prefer it over the closed iOS ecosystem (and relying on Cydia and whatnot).

My main concern with Android devices, just as with Windows Mobile and Symbian, etc. since the past, has been with the manufacturer abandoning their older devices, or not providing enough updates and upgrades.
And Nokia, HTC, Sony-Ericsson have proven to me that their commitment to their current models will not really last much.

I don't like this either. I also don't like it when new hardware comes out with old software on it. Motorola releasing the "world's most powerful phone", e.i., the Atrix, earlier this year was awesome. Sadly, it had 2.2 and MotoBlur on it. Two things that should never be on a phone during ANY time in 2011. Period.

It's great ATT is stepping up and putting 2.3 on all Android phones this year, however, unless you get a pure Google phone or root it, you're going to be stuck with dated software.

Which, I think, is part of the problem with all the other tablets. They look like an iPad, they're priced about the same as an iPad, but they aren't an iPad. If you're going to sell knockoffs (I'm not saying they actually are knockoffs, but I think that's how the consumer probably sees them) you have to sell them at a greatly reduced price. Otherwise, why wouldn't I just buy an iPad?

The problem is that these companies don't know how to sell a damn thing. They aren't used to being at the back, only the front/middle and tied to each other. They sell on specs, not the experience. Apple sells on experience; it gets people to WANT the products BECAUSE they are Apple products. That is the most powerful kind of image you can have about any product.

Who cares about tech specs? They should show people using the damn tablets the way they can be used. I can't count the times I wished they would just put a camera over my shoulder while I used my Android phone. It would sell. Guaranteed.

All of Apple's ads for the iphone are dark, intimate, moody, fast, and exciting. (I should really get a job as a PR lol) That's what separates that from any old ad that comes on before and after it. You hear the iconic voice and and the music you KNOW it's an apple ad. And you stop and watch the tv. You don't do that with anything else.
 
The TouchPad looks like a fairly compelling tablet platform. The problem seems to be that, no matter how polished and thought-out the UI happens to be, it has no traction. How do you gain traction without a throng of developers building apps? You don't.
 
The card view is the beauty of it. I wish Apples homes screen was the same. Make the applications a secondary screen (note the launcher on WebOS gives you that application view) and promote what Applications are currently open getting rid of that last used app bar garbage.


Honestly I wish iOS and WebOS could merge into one amazing mobile platform. Add Apple's stability, speed, uniform UI with WebOS notification, card/multitasking system and system-wide search.

Who WOULDN'T want that to happen?
 
Wrong, try again. They wanted more products and Apple said no, which is way different.

Stop making it up as you go alone http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374135,00.asp
your not Governor Perry.

No.... Costco wanted the iPad 1, Apple snubbed them by giving it to their competitors, so they retaliated by dropping ALL Apple products. Which is a stupid move in hindsight.

Your reading comprehension sucks.
 
Is this only US Stock/US Stores? BestBuy Europe (which incorporates Carphone Warehouse) is selling (sorry, stocking) it.
Its not an unreasonable number BB (inc Europe) committed to 500,000 Nexus S to kick it off

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The licence fee is insignificant to the cost of the phone. HTC pay $12 for WP7. Android sells well because it is on a wide variety of manufacturers across a range of price points and, outside the US, it is much cheaper

According to Wiki as of 2008 there are over 1000 world wide. I recall seeing somewhere that there are around 1200 stores.
 
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It's great ATT is stepping up and putting 2.3 on all Android phones this year, however, unless you get a pure Google phone or root it, you're going to be stuck with dated software.

Right, but no matter how you look at it, it seems as if ATT is doing everyone a HUGE FAVOR by updating the OS in their phones; and no surprise if this is the only time they will do it. That's what I hate about this whole thing.

There's no real motivation from the manufacturer and from the vendor to continue updating their devices. Once a new one comes out, either upgrade to the new device, or bear with it and forget about it!
 
Right, but no matter how you look at it, it seems as if ATT is doing everyone a HUGE FAVOR by updating the OS in their phones; and no surprise if this is the only time they will do it. That's what I hate about this whole thing.

There's no real motivation from the manufacturer and from the vendor to continue updating their devices. Once a new one comes out, either upgrade to the new device, or bear with it and forget about it!

Well if you follow Android news you'll know that Google is pushing the requirement of having ALL phones released after Ice Cream Sandwich comes out they HAVE to be all on the same OS.

There were a flurry of news stories about it back at IO (I think that's where they are, I'm 90 percent sure). And it isn't that bad; if you're getting a somewhat new, higher end phone you aren't getting left out to dry.

It's pretty much dependent on the skin the company slaps on the phone. Some are alright (Touchwiz with Samsung) and some are terrible (Sense with HTC and MotoBlur with Motorola).
 
I see 3 problems with the TouchPad:

1. I've never used webOS so I have to take what I've read to be true--it seems to have some great features and UI but suffers from performance issues and lack of Apps. HP has to fix those technical issues immediately.

2. The retail experience. Not sure how many of you remember the days before Apple retail stores?

Remember how bad the "Store within a store" were at CompUSA? Most of the Apple areas were a mess, with machines not updated or not running properly. To average consumers the Macs looked like computers that cost 2x as much and didn't work. Sounds like exactly what is happening to HP and maybe even Xoom and Galaxy Tablets. They are not the hot, popular item so big box stores don't spend the time in proper setup.

Apple fixed this by doing what it always does, go it alone.

HP doesn't need to do that but it should be able to flex some of it's muscle and get BB and other retail outlets to at least display the product properly.

3. Answer "why buy this instead of an iPad?" The answer may simply be "it costs half as much!" Or it may be some killer app, or bundle in 3G at a decent price, etc. There needs to be a compelling reason to buy this thing. If it does 80% of what iPad does, at 80% of the efficiency and at 1/2 the price, that may get some folks in.
 
This is bad news, not good news. Apple needs competition for them to give two-craps about improving their products.

iPods are a nice example of this, iPod Classic has received zero updates since 2008, iPod Nano was actually downgraded last year with the same price and hasn't received any capacity updates since 2008, iPod Shuffle is essentially the same song (though really its perfect for what it does). Heck the Nano is at 16GB capacity because the Zune came out with 16GB capacity in 2008.

Competition is good, the fact there aren't any competitors that are near the iPad is bad.

Then you have the anti-competitive actions of Apple by trying to sue Motorolla and Samsung for "copying".

People seem to want simplicity these days and many of the competitors right now are geared towards power users who want options.
 
Well if you follow Android news you'll know that Google is pushing the requirement of having ALL phones released after Ice Cream Sandwich comes out they HAVE to be all on the same OS.

There were a flurry of news stories about it back at IO (I think that's where they are, I'm 90 percent sure). And it isn't that bad; if you're getting a somewhat new, higher end phone you aren't getting left out to dry.

It's pretty much dependent on the skin the company slaps on the phone. Some are alright (Touchwiz with Samsung) and some are terrible (Sense with HTC and MotoBlur with Motorola).

Those seem like good news, if and only if it comes a reality. There's a lot involved to make this possible. I really would like to stay with T-Mobile.
 
This is bad news, not good news. Apple needs competition for them to give two-craps about improving their products.

iPods are a nice example of this, iPod Classic has received zero updates since 2008, iPod Nano was actually downgraded last year with the same price and hasn't received any capacity updates since 2008, iPod Shuffle is essentially the same song (though really its perfect for what it does). Heck the Nano is at 16GB capacity because the Zune came out with 16GB capacity in 2008.

Competition is good, the fact there aren't any competitors that are near the iPad is bad.

Then you have the anti-competitive actions of Apple by trying to sue Motorolla and Samsung for "copying".

People seem to want simplicity these days and many of the competitors right now are geared towards power users who want options.

I don't agree. The iPods are dying because the category is dying. Apple is not investing in music players because people now want multifunction devices like an iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad. It's not because there is no competition.

I also don't agree that Apple is being "anti-competitive" with their lawsuits. "Anti-competitive" is not even close to the right word. They are being very forceful in defending their IP (good or bad), but that is a business tactic that will pan out in the courts and if they have a point, they will win. If they don't, they will loose. Try to look at it from Apple's point... no one could make a successful tablet until the iPad came out. Now they are all trying to replicate it as quickly as possible. Right or wrong, they deserve the right to try and defend it.

You are right that the competition to the iPads (and iPhones) are really going for the techie crowed. I think they speak directly to the Apple Haters... but what they are finding out is, the number of haters is not that big and without an eco system to tie it all together (like with Apple), they can buy whichever non-Apple tablet they want. Leaving everyone with scraps.

BTW... the HP TouchPad at my SamsClub was displayed about 3 weeks ago... it was broken within a week and has yet to be fixed. I wanted to play with it do see for myself. But oh well.
 
These were $499. Now they are $399.

There is about $199-$249 worth of tablet here. iPads are worth $399-$499. Not these.

HP's tablet isn't in the same league as the iPad, so it shouldn't be priced similarly to one.
You can get a Nook Color refurb for $169-$199 (and a Netbook for $249). Why would anyone spend $399 on the HP tablet that can't do what all its competition can do?

I agree that the competition doesn't stand a chance against iPad unless they charge significantly less, but imo that has more to do with the massive hype surrounding the iPad due to Apples excellent PR and the free PR they get from the media than any inferior quality in the competing products.
I don't agree with your assertion that the Touchpad is only worth $249

An average consumer would never pick the HP over the Apple tablet if the price difference is only $0-100 between the two. The iPad is the must have, "hot" item out today. Most people have no idea what a TouchPad is.

Exactly, and it has little to do with the iPad being a superior product and more to do with the media exposure.
 
Well, the russel brand/glee girl advertisements are practically the old spice commercials compared to the creepy chick ads Palm did for the Pre in 2009.

That's what the commercial was about? I remember that it wasn't apple, but when i tried to remember I thought it was the ipad because in my memory the device looked like an ipad.

what OS is it running? Android?
 
This is bad news, not good news. Apple needs competition for them to give two-craps about improving their products.
They're not going to get any worthy competition from HP. If you've owned an HP product and had issues with it like me, you'd understand.

Their customer service is a joke, even at the highest levels. After the VERY rigid 14-day return window, you can't walk into an HP Store and have someone take care of you and ship it away for repair... No, your first point of contact is a person at a call center in Bangalore reading from a card. Once they're done wasting your time on hold, you get to ship the product in ON YOUR OWN DIME. They at least send you a box.. Golly how nice of them! :rolleyes:

My "warranty repair" was embarrassing: It came back in a dirty bag with scratches all over the surface and stripped screws on the inside. Three rungs up the customer service ladder had me in San Jose with a man who was literally yelling at ME (and thus me yelling right back) before I had heard enough, said "go **** yourself" and hung up the phone.

Just one more complaint for the BBB, and one less customer for HP products.

I give Apple a lot of crap, but those jokers at HP don't stand a chance at "competing" with them. Their only hope is to sucker in a handful of customers who are new to them to make a quick buck off a new product.

...And judging by sales numbers... Mission Accomplished! :p
 
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Hopefully HP and Samsung will just go away and only Apple will remain.

I can't remember ever seeing a post by you that didn't involve a "fanboy" dig. Your last four posts are all the same off topic crap. Can you please stick to the topic of the thread?
 
I can't remember ever seeing a post by you that didn't involve a "fanboy" dig. Your last four posts are all the same off topic crap. Can you please stick to the topic of the thread?

I did stick to the topic of the thread. I thought everyone wanted all the other companies to go out of business, Apple rules, HP sucks, etc. Now I'm confused.
 
This is bad news, not good news. Apple needs competition for them to give two-craps about improving their products.

I'm sure they're getting plenty of competition from all the Android-based tablets out there. People can vote with their wallets and HP's offering isn't as good as the other tablets out there, why waste money on it?
 
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