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Best Email App for Mavericks?

eclipse said:
Can someone unpack this post for me a bit? I wasn't aware Mavericks expanded email data so much?

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There doesn't seem to be much detail about Mavericks Mail, except people are unhappy about gmail. The original post outlined my particular version of the problem. I don't know if anyone else in the world has this issue, but it became quite a problem for me.

X.9.1 seemed to cut down on the massive internet usage, although I regularly get (for example) "Downloading 1459 of 1459 messages." or "Saving 49 messages." (while composing), in my Mail Activity window. Just not the extra 200GB of data a month, I'd been getting with X.9 and the first Mail update.

I trust Apple will still be working out the bugs in Mavericks Mail, and not resting just yet. I still see it (re-?) downloading years old emails, that appear fleetingly in Notifications banners, but not in the list when I click Notifications.

I enjoyed Postbox for a while, but it didn't seem to solve the problem completely, which makes me wonder what caused the issue. Some underlying mail daemon or something??

As for changing to Postbox permanently, I missed too much of Mail's functionality. Postbox had some good ideas, but (for example) one click to preview a hyperlink within Mail, is just too vital to my workflow, now.

I'm happy with Mac Mail, generally, but it is prone to developing major issues with major system releases. No idea why. It just does.
 
eclipse said:
Can someone unpack this post for me a bit? I wasn't aware Mavericks expanded email data so much?
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This is only an issue some people are having with Gmail in OS X Mail. Gmail uses a non-standard IMAP implementation and at this point it does not seem to play well with OS X Mail for some users in Mavericks. I don't know that is is clear either way whose fault it is.
 
Ive just spent a couple of weeks over Christmas reviewing different clients for use with my IMAP accounts (gmail + others), I even bought Sparrowto include as a benchmark. The one which impressed me most and is still in daily use is Mailmate, its not cheap but its definitely heading in the right direction and worth a trial under the demo licence to see if you think its worth the coin.

added link here....http://freron.com
 
These third-party clients (Airmail, Postbox) have to route the mail through their own servers, right? Is this a security issue?
 
Based on some recommendations in this thread, I installed Thunderbird and for a free app, it gets the job done quite nicely. Thanks ! :cool:
 
Weaselboy said:
This is only an issue some people are having with Gmail in OS X Mail. Gmail uses a non-standard IMAP implementation and at this point it does not seem to play well with OS X Mail for some users in Mavericks. I don't know that is is clear either way whose fault it is.
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OK, but if I'm not connecting my Mac Mail to Gmail because I keep my Gmail for hobbies only (so that I can check on my blogging etc from work, which is all Windoze anyway), then this is not an issue for me. Thanks for clarifying this.
 
oldhifi said:
I use Thunderbird...
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Who is updating it? What does it actually mean when they say 'the open source community' are updating it?

Lastly, why not stick with Mail? Is it terminal? :confused: Surely Apple are working on it. It's part of their OS?
 
eclipse said:
Who is updating it? What does it actually mean when they say 'the open source community' are updating it?

Lastly, why not stick with Mail? Is it terminal? :confused: Surely Apple are working on it. It's part of their OS?
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I do use the Mac mail for one account, but use Thunderbird for my business accounts, Mac Mail does not work well with those accounts...
 
oldhifi said:
I do use the Mac mail for one account, but use Thunderbird for my business accounts, Mac Mail does not work well with those accounts...
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Who is developing Thunderbird? I know Mozilla say they are on security matters, but leaving new feature development to the FOSS community. But I cannot find out if that's a specific Mozilla foss community, sourceforge, or whatever.

What problems were you having with Maverick Mail?
 
eclipse said:
Who is developing Thunderbird? I know Mozilla say they are on security matters, but leaving new feature development to the FOSS community. But I cannot find out if that's a specific Mozilla foss community, sourceforge, or whatever.

What problems were you having with Maverick Mail?
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it would say SMTP server down or constant needing of password, changed over to Thunderbird and no problems..

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oldhifi said:
it would say SMTP server down or constant needing of password, changed over to Thunderbird and no problems..
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If you are worried about safety, I have been using Thunderbird for years, and no problems..
 
Is it easy to move all Mail's old emails into a new email client and back again? I'm thinking of either Thunderbird** or Opera.

** if I can verify who's looking after Thunderbird.


PS: This link has a summary of other problems with Maverick mail, after a full page on the trouble with intergration with Gmail.

https://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
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I tried Opera Mail and I like the UI a little better. It's a toss up between Opera and Thunderbird. Both email clients don't separate the Spam folder per accounts but groups them in a general spam folder. No biggie but I usually like to see where my Spam is coming from. Again the email app in iOS 7 is pretty much unrivaled.

For now i'm sticking with Opera because of support.
 
Rodster said:
I tried Opera Mail and I like the UI a little better. It's a toss up between Opera and Thunderbird. Both email clients don't separate the Spam folder per accounts but groups them in a general spam folder. No biggie but I usually like to see where my Spam is coming from. Again the email app in iOS 7 is pretty much unrivaled.

For now i'm sticking with Opera because of support.
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Good to hear! Hey, any stats on how many Mac users adopt Opera?

Also, this point by point comparison says Opera doens't support Conversation View, PGP Suport, Scheduled Backup, Virtual Folders, EWS, iCalendar, LDAP V2, but then it goes on to say Opera Mail doesn't support Mac, and yet it clearly does. But it got me wondering: what of these features couldn't you live without?
http://email-client.findthebest.com/compare/9-11/Opera-Mail-vs-Apple-Mail
 
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Yep: migrating seems too hard.

I'll stick with Mac's Mail.app but this time I won't blame *myself* when it starts playing up.

The thing is, they're fixing it. Gmail's working better, isn't it? My mail isn't asking for passwords all the time like it used to, or double-checking certificates, or stopping my iMac shutting down. It seems to be on the mend. they're working on it.

That's the clincher for me. How much work is going into keeping Thunderbird operational on a Mac every time the OS changes? Who are these people, this 'open source' crowd that are supposed to keep my email software compatible with everything else I'm doing?

I have enormous mail archives going back years, and I recently had a few problems that were *easily* solved.

If anything, that is the measure of workable software: not that it *never* has problems, but that when it does there's an easy fix from just 10 minutes googling. That means there's a BIG community using it, and that you have friends in the same situation looking for answers.

I'll be sticking with Mail, but reporting in here any time I ever have trouble.

But I might also become a late adopter of the OS from here on in!
 
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eclipse said:
Yep: migrating seems too hard.

I'll stick with Mac's Mail.app but this time I won't blame *myself* when it starts playing up.

The thing is, they're fixing it. Gmail's working better, isn't it? My mail isn't asking for passwords all the time like it used to, or double-checking certificates, or stopping my iMac shutting down. It seems to be on the mend. they're working on it.

That's the clincher for me. How much work is going into keeping Thunderbird operational on a Mac every time the OS changes? Who are these people, this 'open source' crowd that are supposed to keep my email software compatible with everything else I'm doing?

I have enormous mail archives going back years, and I recently had a few problems that were *easily* solved.

If anything, that is the measure of workable software: not that it *never* has problems, but that when it does there's an easy fix from just 10 minutes googling. That means there's a BIG community using it, and that you have friends in the same situation looking for answers.

I'll be sticking with Mail, but reporting in here any time I ever have trouble.

But I might also become a late adopter of the OS from here on in!
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Mavericks' 10.9.1 Mail.app isn't working better for me with GMail. I still am unable to move messages from my inbox to a folder.

I really prefer Mail.app, but I'm seriously considering going to Thunderbird (provided that their IMAP support is better than it was 5 years ago).
 
sracer said:
Mavericks' 10.9.1 Mail.app isn't working better for me with GMail. I still am unable to move messages from my inbox to a folder.

I really prefer Mail.app, but I'm seriously considering going to Thunderbird (provided that their IMAP support is better than it was 5 years ago).
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1. How much work would it be to switch to Tbird, and then how much work to switch back again if it didn't work for you? Is there an easy way to do this, and does it take all your archived emails and folders with you?


2. Why do you need mail.app to read your Gmail? I just use it in web mode and keep it separate. (But admittedly I use them for different things: mail for business, gmail for blogging and hobbies).
 
eclipse said:
1. How much work would it be to switch to Tbird, and then how much work to switch back again if it didn't work for you? Is there an easy way to do this, and does it take all your archived emails and folders with you?


2. Why do you need mail.app to read your Gmail? I just use it in web mode and keep it separate. (But admittedly I use them for different things: mail for business, gmail for blogging and hobbies).
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1. In my experience, switching from any mail client in IMAP mode to another is pretty easy. It consists mostly of adding account information and selecting which folders to sync/download locally.

2. I find using Gmail in a browser window confining. I'm "old school" and remember the days when "cloud" was simply "mainframe", and I prefer to have a copy of my data, media, and mail local (in addition to the cloud). I also find that specialized mail apps provide a more tailored experience.
 
sracer said:
1. In my experience, switching from any mail client in IMAP mode to another is pretty easy. It consists mostly of adding account information and selecting which folders to sync/download locally.
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But if you'd changed ISP's that wouldn't include all the really old emails on your hard drive, would it? Is there a way to move those across onto other email clients?

2. I find using Gmail in a browser window confining. I'm "old school" and remember the days when "cloud" was simply "mainframe", and I prefer to have a copy of my data, media, and mail local (in addition to the cloud). I also find that specialized mail apps provide a more tailored experience.
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Interesting. What sort of tailored experience are you after? I guess I like my Gmail available from any computer I log into, because I use Mac at home and Windoze at work. So I can just log in and check what other people on the internet who are WRONG! are saying. :confused: ;)
 
I rarely use a mail client these days but I do have Mac Mail set up and run it every so often to download to my hard drive. Saved my bacon once as I somehow deleted all the mail that was in one particular folder while using the Gmail website.
 
eclipse said:
But if you'd changed ISP's that wouldn't include all the really old emails on your hard drive, would it? Is there a way to move those across onto other email clients?
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My email is gmail. It isn't tied to my ISP. Back in the day, gmail was by invitation only. I was using yahoo mail then. When I got access to gmail, I switched to that. That is when I moved all of my archived email to gmail. Now, I can swap ISPs or email client apps and continue to use gmail.


eclipse said:
Interesting. What sort of tailored experience are you after? I guess I like my Gmail available from any computer I log into, because I use Mac at home and Windoze at work. So I can just log in and check what other people on the internet who are WRONG! are saying. :confused: ;)
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Even if I use a local mail client app on osx, I still have access to gmail via the web. IMAP ensures that my mail stored locally on my device is synced on the web. And I do use the web interface in a pinch.

What I mean by tailored experience is the ability to have my email app integrate with my contacts and calendar. I get helpful notifications on osx for incoming mail that I wouldn't get by simply using the web interface. The mail.app looks and feels nicer than using a browser.
 
Fastmail

I have around 6 email addresses and use imap folder extensively for email. Have this working magically using Maverick Mail App.

Have tried most of the alternatives suggested but eventually went back to Mail App.

My mail currently flows to gmail accounts however I dislike the gmail interfaces and gmail mail clients. I decided to get an account with fastmail.com where I forward my various email to (from gmail). I eventually will direct some of the email directly to this account. As mail comes into fastmail.com I sort it into various inboxes.

Fastmail was bought by Opera a few years ago but has recently left Opera and run a separate service now. There webmail interface is very fast and for many it is better than a local email client.

Anyway, I use Mail.App to manage my mail via fastmail.com using imap. Never have a problem.

I have added one really good extension called MailHub to Mail.App to help me create and manage email folders as need be. This has made my life so much easier.

Both Fastmail and MailHub offer free trials.
 
jjcv said:
I have around 6 email addresses and use imap folder extensively for email. Have this working magically using Maverick Mail App.

Have tried most of the alternatives suggested but eventually went back to Mail App.

My mail currently flows to gmail accounts however I dislike the gmail interfaces and gmail mail clients. I decided to get an account with fastmail.com where I forward my various email to (from gmail). I eventually will direct some of the email directly to this account. As mail comes into fastmail.com I sort it into various inboxes.

Fastmail was bought by Opera a few years ago but has recently left Opera and run a separate service now. There webmail interface is very fast and for many it is better than a local email client.

Anyway, I use Mail.App to manage my mail via fastmail.com using imap. Never have a problem.

I have added one really good extension called MailHub to Mail.App to help me create and manage email folders as need be. This has made my life so much easier.

Both Fastmail and MailHub offer free trials.
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What does mailhub do? I've got all the folders I need in mail.app
 
jjcv said:
It allows you to easily create folders and redirect received email or sent emails to specific folders. Also remembers what types of messages go into what folders making it easy for you to file. I like have sent and received messages filed together in the same folder.

http://www.dervishsoftware.com/
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I think mail's rules can handle all that, if you set up enough rules?
 
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