Apple should have a kill switch for anyone who complains without constructive fixes. Or the ability to reposes iphones from constant whining.
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Beta releases shouldn't be so public
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I agree that the talk about the icons is overblown and unimportant. However, literally every single person in the world with Internet access can see those icons at www.apple.com and form an opinion of them.
To clarify, I'm not 'bothered' by it. I was simply voicing an opinion that it would avoid stupid people looking even more stupid.
And as so many of you all kindly suggested, I do actually ignore most of the crap on here. Just a shame it doesn't leave much to read.
And as so many of you all kindly suggested, I do actually ignore most of the crap on here. Just a shame it doesn't leave much to read.
The irony is that even with this widespread, "rigorous" testing, iOS x.0 releases are still riddled with bugs. Clearly people are just jumping on the bandwagon to be amongst the first with the iOS without actually doing what a beta tester is supposed to be doing.
All complainers gathering online to complain, does not mean something IS bad design, it just means all the complainers gathered online to complain, and half of them are trolls, and many folk just do it because they are sheep... (which is ironic, when we are called 'iSheep' at times 
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If you could gather together every single person who has posted anything whiny or complained, baselessly, about iOS 7 thus far, and then contrast that number to the remaining population of MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of NON-complaining iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch owners, I think you'd see that the complainers are about 0.1-1% (I'm being generous here) of the total.
Apple's a winner. Whether you like it or not, they're still a winner - opinion doesn't alter that one iota. Grumbling masses 0, rest of iOS users and device owners (and Apple), 1
).If you could gather together every single person who has posted anything whiny or complained, baselessly, about iOS 7 thus far, and then contrast that number to the remaining population of MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of NON-complaining iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch owners, I think you'd see that the complainers are about 0.1-1% (I'm being generous here) of the total.
Apple's a winner. Whether you like it or not, they're still a winner - opinion doesn't alter that one iota. Grumbling masses 0, rest of iOS users and device owners (and Apple), 1
There are parts of iOS 7 that is brilliant and parts that aren't. I love the function of the lock screen. Being able to slide into a choses iMessage and not the last one received like in iOS 6 rocks. Changing the brightness in a flick is very useful as is turning off the bluetooth. I use bluetooth in the car more often now because I can turn it off conveniently. Icons having the ability to be alive now is going to be awesome. Yes I know the icons aren't for everyone, but neither were the old ones. Its not about icons, its about usability and moving the os forward. iOS 7 does that and does it without stutter or lag. Some companies(android)still haven't even attempted that.
I thought Beta testers were too busy to sit around forum posting - I know I will be, once I get my iPhone and ADC account - you won't see me here much.
Beta testers squash bugs, not one another's opinions (I'm agreeing with you by the way, in case this came across as ambiguous
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Google have attempted it, with "Project Butter", which basically means "throw more RAM and cores at it, instead of actually having a solid framework from the outset". Android STILL lags, but then, Apple have many years of rock-solid legacy code and frameworks to draw upon, not some made up virtual machine and the "hope it works this time" mentality.
"Don't be evil"? Don't be moronic, more like.
I don't buy the project butter line. Android constantly adds gee whiz ideas that eats up whatever they tried to smooth out. A os with 4 plus cores and 2gb of ram should be smoother than anything out.
I think its actually better for iOS 7 beta to be exposed to the public.
Right now its not really too exposed. Only iOS 7 enthusiasts or people with curiosity are installing it now (other than developers of course). This gives Apple and idea of the general public's response and reactions. Right now there is a big hooha about the icons and I think Apple should really listen to those feedback and try to come up with solutions.
Yes, complains are downright annoying. But its only through complains consumers can really get their thoughts across to companies. If Apple really wanted to crack down on betas, they would have restricted it to signing iOS 7 on developer devices only. But they did not.
I think the more hands on testing the better. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I want to believe it's a small minority of non-developers that install and complain about things "not being right" without submitting any bug reports (or at least supplying constructive criticism).
Experience would suggest this minority is actually the majority. I can't remember the last time an iOS wasn't released with at least one huge glaring bug.
I hope that's the case. But how many non devs that installed this just because they were curious to check it out are actually reporting things to Apple? Maybe everybody is but I kind of doubt it. And there's no way all the complaints are only coming from people who have installed and are using the device. Certainly not from devs who supposedly are under NDA.
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The general public shouldn't be needed for that though. If the app icons are that bad you don't think devs would have similar feelings to the general public and make those feelings known to Apple? The day Apple starts asking Joe Q. Public for feedback on product design (before something ships) is the day Apple ceases being Apple.
I personally think the more feedback the better.
This OS has already been through internal builds so it was never going to cause any serious harm to a user"s device.
Also some seem to have trouble with negative comment on the look of iOS, feeling it detracts from bug spotting. The polls I've seen on here appear to all show almost a third of those testing are dissatisfied. That's a reasonable percentage on a forum where the majority of us enjoy Apple products.
This warrants consideration as the beta progresses.
This OS has already been through internal builds so it was never going to cause any serious harm to a user"s device.
Also some seem to have trouble with negative comment on the look of iOS, feeling it detracts from bug spotting. The polls I've seen on here appear to all show almost a third of those testing are dissatisfied. That's a reasonable percentage on a forum where the majority of us enjoy Apple products.
This warrants consideration as the beta progresses.
I just find it hilarious that some people on here think OTHER people on here actually represent more than .000001% of the total iOS users out there.
I agree that people need to know what a beta is and what to expect etc and not to moan and complain when it doesn't work etc
But over two years ago i registered as a developer just to download the beta, with no intension of ever being one, one day i decided to have a look at the sdk and xcode tools that are available to you, i made my first app two weeks later and have made many since it didn't make me rich but makes me enough money to now only work part time
my situation it not unique hundreds of non developers have now become app makers so i say yes let it be easier available Apple make £60 off the deal too
well for legit sign ups that is
But over two years ago i registered as a developer just to download the beta, with no intension of ever being one, one day i decided to have a look at the sdk and xcode tools that are available to you, i made my first app two weeks later and have made many since it didn't make me rich but makes me enough money to now only work part time
my situation it not unique hundreds of non developers have now become app makers so i say yes let it be easier available Apple make £60 off the deal too
well for legit sign ups that is
I would say the 1/3 comment is lower. Most are trolls and new members. In other polls they are fanboys of another brand and anything would get a thumbs down from them.
I think some people just get butthurt because its not as "exclusive" as they want it to be.
Honestly why does it matter who has it? Some people can be just tech enthusiasts and have no interest in developing on iOS7... Nothing wrong with that. Let them explore some tech if they have the knowledge on how to install it.
Honestly why does it matter who has it? Some people can be just tech enthusiasts and have no interest in developing on iOS7... Nothing wrong with that. Let them explore some tech if they have the knowledge on how to install it.
I would like to know the numbers of device that are now running iOS 7. It may seem like a wide release, but the blogger community (macrumors) and others just make it seem like its all over the place. We are obviously all very invested in the process, but I have yet to see a friend or person just running iOS 7 in daily life.
I think it's probably still pretty limited and this feeling of if being public is skewed.
I think it's probably still pretty limited and this feeling of if being public is skewed.
the only people that now have iOS around me are because I told them how to get it. I agree.... the percentage seems low.
Results so far from my poll
View Poll Results: ios7 BETA user: Developer or not?
Yes 84 40.78%
No 122 59.22%
Again i am not saying you have to be a dev to run a BETA just getting some numbers
View Poll Results: ios7 BETA user: Developer or not?
Yes 84 40.78%
No 122 59.22%
Again i am not saying you have to be a dev to run a BETA just getting some numbers
Exactly. And most of those people have complained to me about it being "buggy" so I link them to a downgrade tutorial. I warned them. Lol