Beta releases shouldn't be so public

[xcodeaddict]

I just find it hilarious that some people on here think OTHER people on here actually represent more than .000001% of the total iOS users out there.

Fair comment. I'll let you work out the precise numbers, in that case.

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I think some people just get butthurt because its not as "exclusive" as they want it to be.

Honestly why does it matter who has it? Some people can be just tech enthusiasts and have no interest in developing on iOS7... Nothing wrong with that. Let them explore some tech if they have the knowledge on how to install it.

Fair enough.

"Butthurt"? could you be less original with your 'net phrases? Use something less offensive, and you'll soon see how people pay attention to what you say, FAR more.

 

[frayne182]

Fair comment. I'll let you work out the precise numbers, in that case.

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Fair enough.

"Butthurt"? could you be less original with your 'net phrases? Use something less offensive, and you'll soon see how people pay attention to what you say, FAR more.

In a forum I will use forum language. I hope I didn't offend anyone.... lol

 

[GoCubsGo]

In a forum I will use forum language. I hope I didn't offend anyone.... lol

Butthurt is now forum language and since you're in a forum, you'll use it? Hmmm.


I agree that Beta releases shouldn't be so public, and they technically aren't. Apple has a program that allows access to beta versions of iOS. As such, anyone with $100 to spare can become a developer and grab the beta. Anyone (like me) with a buddy who is a developer willing to let me into the beta can also access the early release of the software. Apple allows people onto a developer's account for testing of apps. I don't think they did this with the intention of what has happened now.

If I were truly a dev, I would want anyone with a phone model that supports the new OS to have the beta OS to test my app so I could make necessary changes. I think that was the spirit of the dev program and allowing multiple devices.

As that is not happening, people are getting their hands on the beta version and losing their **** when the beta version is "broken."

 

[frayne182]

Butthurt is now forum language and since you're in a forum, you'll use it? Hmmm.


I agree that Beta releases shouldn't be so public, and they technically aren't. Apple has a program that allows access to beta versions of iOS. As such, anyone with $100 to spare can become a developer and grab the beta. Anyone (like me) with a buddy who is a developer willing to let me into the beta can also access the early release of the software. Apple allows people onto a developer's account for testing of apps. I don't think they did this with the intention of what has happened now.

If I were truly a dev, I would want anyone with a phone model that supports the new OS to have the beta OS to test my app so I could make necessary changes. I think that was the spirit of the dev program and allowing multiple devices.

As that is not happening, people are getting their hands on the beta version and losing their **** when the beta version is "broken."

Pretty much what I'm doing

I also agree its annoying when people complain about an incomplete OS. I warned all my friends that it is buggy and expect problems when they installed. Because I don't want them coming to me and saying this and that is not working... Its version 1 of the beta. Things will improve.

If its buggy and you don't like it then go back to iOS6. But to some the bugs are a welcome part of the beta. I love finding new issues and watching them improve as new updates get rolled out.

 

[VulchR]

Agreed, agreed, agreed. Now everyone's an "expert" on design. Hilarious.

The true experts are those who might buy it. The designers are only guessing at what might work. Someday they'll actually do some decent ergonomic and psychophysical studies to guide GUI design and stop hassling over palettes. Certainly that would help people with poor vision (example: a surprisingly high proportion of the population have one form or another of color blindness, and using primary colors is no so great for them).

 

[kas23]

I think some people just get butthurt because its not as "exclusive" as they want it to be.

So true. That's exactly what's going on. People are losing their sense of exclusivity. People need to get a life.

 

[xcodeaddict]

So true. That's exactly what's going on. People are losing their sense of exclusivity. People need to get a life.

Says the one judging people

 

[seetheforest]

To everyone saying that Apple intended for this to be a private beta. Get real. When your entire homepage is devoted to showing off and publicizing your "private" beta, then you're doing something wrong.

 

[Michael Goff]

Eh?

From everything I've read, I need a valid UDID or else it becomes a brick. Is this not true? Was I being lied to?

If it's true, that's... private enough.

 

[bozzykid]

Beta testers squash bugs, not one another's opinions (I'm agreeing with you by the way, in case this came across as ambiguous )

Developers using the beta aren't using it solely to help Apple improve their software. Most are using to test and update their apps. They aren't getting paid by Apple to report design issues.

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Google have attempted it, with "Project Butter", which basically means "throw more RAM and cores at it, instead of actually having a solid framework from the outset".

Actually, Project Butter has nothing to do with what you just said. It was a focus by Google developers to make the OS more smooth and efficient so it can run on even more lower end hardware.

 

[Night Spring]

Eh?

From everything I've read, I need a valid UDID or else it becomes a brick. Is this not true? Was I being lied to?
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I don't think you were purposefully lied to, but people did discover a workaround that lets you install the beta without needing to register your udid with a developer account.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't think you were purposefully lied to, but people did discover a workaround that lets you install the beta without needing to register your udid with a developer account.

Crap, now I want to figure it out and test it as soon as it comes out for the iPad. I was able to ignore the urge because I didn't want to brick it.

 

[xcodeaddict]

Actually, Project Butter has nothing to do with what you just said. It was a focus by Google developers to make the OS more smooth and efficient so it can run on even more lower end hardware.

iOS was silky smooth back in 2007, using far, far lesser specs than we have now. Google have no focus and no taste. You don't need some awkwardly named "project" to make something you should have done right from the outset, right (and it still lags!) - you don't make a public show of fixing your messed up OS issues, you make VERY sure they are fixed properly in the first place, and if they're not, then FIX them and don't sing about it to everyone.


Google are a joke - noone uses Java... sorry, "Dalvik" to run a modern OS

 

[falconeight]

To everyone saying that Apple intended for this to be a private beta. Get real. When your entire homepage is devoted to showing off and publicizing your "private" beta, then you're doing something wrong.

Not private but if you haven't used it or are not a developer then you have no real say in the matter.

 

[xcodeaddict]

Not private but if you haven't used it or are not a developer then you have no real say in the matter.

So true, so true.

 

[SpaceKitty]

They aren't. It's not like someone can accidently download it. They have to go out of their way to do so e.g. sign up for a developers account, buy a UDID slot, download the iOS 7 ipsw etc etc, I don't think it could be any less public.

I could get a copy of it within five minutes and not have to sign up for a developer account. I choose never to run a beta copy though, I always wait for the GM version to come out which is usually a week or two before public release.

 

[virginblue4]

I could get a copy of it within five minutes and not have to sign up for a developer account. I choose never to run a beta copy though, I always wait for the GM version to come out which is usually a week or two before public release.

And you've just backed up my point. Apple aren't publicising how to install it and you can't accidentally install it. I'm not saying it's not easy, but everyone who installs it had to find it in the first place, therefore knowing it's a beta and not a public release.

 

[tymaster50]

As someone said earlier people are just mad there is a workaround so it's not "exclusive". People want to be one of the only people to have something and when people find out how to get that thing they think it lost its value.

 

[SpaceKitty]

And you've just backed up my point. Apple aren't publicising how to install it and you can't accidentally install it. I'm not saying it's not easy, but everyone who installs it had to find it in the first place, therefore knowing it's a beta and not a public release.

As soon as posted this, I went and searched the net for iOS 7 and found every copy for every iOS device that was released last week. Took me less than a minute to find. It's that easy but of course, I know where to look like all these other people do to have had to get it installed to begin with.

I don't install the betas because they are that, betas. I want my phone and all apps to work.

People that aren't devs and install the betas deserve what they get. It just sucks that they come here to bitch about it.

 

[noobinator]

There's not too many losers outside of this forum willing to shell out $99 to try out a beta so I'd say it's not as public as you think. With that said...


Yes, I am one of those losers.

 

[sexiewasd]

As someone said earlier people are just mad there is a workaround so it's not "exclusive". People want to be one of the only people to have something and when people find out how to get that thing they think it lost its value.

I think that you might find that to those people who have to respect their NDA, all of the public conversations can be interesting, and a bit of a relief that somebody can talk about the details. I imagine that to those people it must be frustrating that all of the conversation is about all of the really boring bits like icons, and bugs, and hardly ever about any of the really cool new tech and toys.

 

[macsmurray]

Stop being so precious. It's only an operating system, it's not a global defence system.

 

[jaycarroll]

Yeah god forbid they give out a beta to people to test and find out what does and doesn't work.

I don't get what your issue here is... Is it that Apple haven't taken control of the MR forum and removed every single thread slating iOS7? Or is it that too many people have access?

Regardless, you're the one in control of what you read. If you don't want to read it don't click it. What were you expecting to see in an iOS7-specific section?

I'd steer clear of the forums if I were you...

Personally what I'd hoped to read is constructive discussion regarding the details of the design and new functionality, along with the possibility of API change discussion with those that *gasp* read.

There are exciting changes in iOS 7, it isn't just a simple redesign.

The continual juvenile whining about unfinished software being unfinished is tiresome.

 

[kerrikins]

I'm pretty sure that Apple doesn't really care at all whether people who aren't developers are using their beta, because if they did I'm sure they would have found a way to block people from installing it one way or the other.

We'll be able to tell for sure when the next update comes and we get to see whether it's available OTA or has to be done through iTunes. If it's done OTA that pretty much answers the question of whether or not they actually care.

Demand for beta software is a *good* thing for a company... I doubt they're unhappy about it.

 

[.beam.]

No matter, I'm pretty sure whoever is beta testing it will give Apple the appropriate feedback.