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Beyond AirTunes?

bluetooth NO?

matthewwithanm said:
If the new Nintendo handheld can have wifi capabilities, there's no reason the next iPod can't.
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I thought that the ds handheld was bluetooth not wi-fi.

I just can't see this being wi-fi because of the power consumption problem. But bluetooth has the range problem.
 
Well, you can

Analog Kid said:
Can't use Bluetooth for headphones without a decompression engine built in-- BT only has 768kbits bandwidth.
Stereo, 16bit gives you 24kHz. That's about 10kHz audio bandwidth if there's no protocol overhead...
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Two newsarticles from the Bluetooth SIG:

Bluetooth® Wireless Technology Shipments Hit Two Million a Week (with refrence to Bluetooth EDR)
http://www.bluetooth.com/news/index.asp?A=2&PID=1292

TEN Technology Licenses Impulsesoft's Wireless Stereo Technology For iPod Adapter
http://www.bluetooth.com/news/index.asp?A=2&PID=1191
 
Sorry, no

nsb3000 said:
The problem with Bluetooth is the range... It is only like 30 feet or soemthing. Compare that to WiFi 150 foot+ range.
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The range of Bluetooth class 1 is perfectly about the same as WiFi. You are talking about Class 2 that has limited range. Adapters for both ranges are on the market. Phones typically use Class 2, though.
Class 1 and 2 work perfectly together, it's more or less the range only that is different.
 
Anticipat3 said:
Now think about this --

What if the same were added to iPods? When another iPod comes in WiFi range, or you're on a WiFi network with iTunes users, you can play the songs that they have shared on their iPod or their iTunes, and vice versa! How sweet would that be?
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Still you would need a wireless hub, right?
Will not happen on the street.
DRM is still inplace as well.
If you master all this, you would want to exchange a lot of files, meaning a lot of data, taking quite a long time over WiFi.

Which would quickly bring you back to FireWire cables.
 
sinisterdesign said:
however, i have my new AXp (i like the new acronym, btw) on order & i think that will kill 2 birds w/ one stone. i'll have my AirTunes streaming to the stereo AND i will have the Tivo on the network via the ethernet connection on the AXp.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but connecting an AXp to TiVO won't work like you want it to.
Here's a thread about it.
 
Wash!! said:
Tesla builded a prototype but it never got finish or fully tested, he manage to light up I think it was 100 homes over the air in Colorado back in the late 1800's early 1900's, but he ran out of money to finish the experiments, whe he die the government took all his research...
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Dude.. you seriously need to start proof reading.

It’s very exciting; I can't remember a time in the recent past when this many people were just rampantly speculating about future uses of technology.

Definitely has the juices flowing.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
I don't see how the iPod would be a good solution as a wireless remote. It just seems like a total waste of the iPod's power. Who needs a remote control with a 40GB hard drive in it. It would make more sense to make a remote with an iPod style interface and a 1GB or so of flash memory that could sell for a fraction of the cost of the iPod.
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couldn't agree more. iTunes is a free download. AXp is $129 addition. apart from a decent % of people that frequent this site, who is going to drop $500+ on a music player/remote??

also, (hypothetically, here. i don't actually have a wife), but i take my iPod to work. now my wife can't access iTunes in the bedroom b/c i just took the remote? i dunno. that's an awful lot of stuff to put on the shoulders of an iPod. don't get me wrong, i'm salivating waiting on whatEVER the next rev of iPod brings, but if it doesn't have everything and the kitchen sink, i lot of people on this site will whine...
 
sinisterdesign said:
(hypothetically, here. i don't actually have a wife), but i take my iPod to work. now my wife can't access iTunes in the bedroom b/c i just took the remote? i dunno.
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WHAT your wife doesn't have her very own ipod 😱

Only joking, I got rid of mine a while ago.
My wife 😀 not my ipod. I'm not that stupid.
Anyways I agree with you and alot of others it's just a waste at a cost.
 
joeboy_45101 said:
I was a bit disappointed about Airport Express, for a year now I've been telling people that a wireless dock for my iPod would be great. But no, people would tell me it's not possible.
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You know that makes more sense.

Reasons against a wireless iPod -
As far as I see it, streaming audio from the iPod would use too much power the iPod couldn't compress the stream anyway.
Syncing the iPod to a Mac via Wireless, you still have to plug your iPod in to keep its battery charged

So a wireless iPod dock makes much more sense. You could charge your iPod anywhere, and sync your play lists. I doubt it could stream to your AExpress though still.

Still, how many people would actually use that?

ps. I'm for an iPod fully integrated into my car stereo. If it synced via wireless when it was parked in my garage, that might be interesting.
 
No time for proofreading Ha!!

cr2sh said:
Dude.. you seriously need to start proof reading.

It’s very exciting; I can't remember a time in the recent past when this many people were just rampantly speculating about future uses of technology.

Definitely has the juices flowing.
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I'm at work and I don't the time to proofread 😀
 
JohnGalt said:
Yep, I suggested the iPOD as the remote a couple days ago here when the little bugger was announced. Makes sense not to do a new device when the iPOD mini is a perfect sized remote with a display...........

😉
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Sure it's the perfect size remote AND with a display.
The only question is, what is the perfect COST for a remote?

tritip said:
Look at the recent news from TiVo: DirectTV has sold its equity stake in TiVo (in anticipation of...?) and TiVo is scrambling to retool as an "open system" with PC integration and wireless as major components.
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Well, DirecTV is now controlled by News Corp, so they'll be using their own DVR box same as in the UK I'd guess. Made by their subsidiary NDS.

cr2sh said:
I want headphones with 802.11g built in that will connect to AirTunes. That way I don't have to buy wireless headphones AND and an airport extreme.
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Why would you need to interface to AirTunes? You could just buy Wireless headphones, and plug the headphone jack end (before the transmitter) into the headphone socket of your PC.

A one way receiver of signals is better for your brain than a 2 way transmitter too 🙂

And on other uses for the USB port...
a_iver said:
Or even adding a USB hub. Could you do that?
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Ummm, that's kinda interesting. I wonder if you could plug a still camera into the USB port of the Airport Express to upload your photos? (much better if you could plug in the camera and automatically see a slideshow of your shots). What other things might you plug into a USB port?

macnews said:
Syncing would not take long. Syncing takes a while when you have tons of songs to download - like when you first get the ipod. Fine, use the firewire cord and sync is when you first get it. After that you might sync 1,2 - maybe 5 songs at a time, unless you delay.
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I know you were talking about wireless syncing - but I guess with a little bit of creativity, the iPod could sync via USB on the Airport Express too? Still, if you're plugging in an iPod next to your stereo, you may as well output from the iPod (or iPod dock) direct to the stereo.

rikers_mailbox said:
Amen to that. Apple needs to sling some of the $5 Billion in the bank and buy up Vonage. Some of the features they have are sick. .
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Interesting. Then Apple could release an AirportPhone. Cordless phone you walk around the house, and you make and receive regular calls (plus iChat integration of course).
 
I think I'm going to have to take back my request for the ipod doing the syncing to the AE. After reading that the files would have to be encrypted (meaning more drain on battery) and the drain caused by the airport card, I guess it wouldn't be a good idea. So, I want to revert back to my original idea about a year ago. Make a remote that looks and acts just like a ipod but with out the hard drive. This could use wifi to connect to the computer (mac or PC) and itunes. All the files would be stored on the computer but the information would be on the remote. Then you could play your songs how you wanted to. With a little trickery, you could have different remotes for different rooms or select the rooms you wanted to play in from the remote. Alll I know is, I want a remote that has the interface of an ipod so I can play my sounds around the house in any room at anytime and all connected to my huge music collection.

Down side is, I still want wifi in the ipod for a in-car solution. I hate having a wire go from the ipod to my deck. Itrip isn't the answer for me because of sound quality and interference.
 
video IN maybe...

people have already mentioned that it makes sense for Axp to eventually stream video out, but could it stream video IN to our comps? and maybe Audio into our comps? that would be very nice.....
 
craig-e said:
How about this for the setup? The new Imac is launched, It has a detachable, tablet like display. You put all your music onto it, once you take your display off the machine, that becomes your remote, possibly with a dock to keep the battery topped up.

This would be the best way to sell more of the flagging Imac models.
😀
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How often do I have to do this? Why won't you people do some research before you spout this, ad nauseum?

ViewSonic Airpanel 100
Intel StrongARM 206mhz
Windows CE .NET
32MB Flash
128MB SDRAM
Media-Q MQ200 2MB VRAM
10" SVGA TFT touchscreen
800x600 max resolution when wireless
Type II PCMCIA
USB, microphone in, audio out, mini-VGA, dock port
802.11b or GPRS
13.81" x 8.0" x 0.5"
2.5lbs
Cost: $829-1,156 at Dealtime

Philips DesXcape
Intel Xscale 400mhz
Windows CE for Smart Displays
32MB Flash
64MB SDRAM
15" TFT LCD touchscreen
1024x768 max resolution, period
No expansion slots
Docking station with DVI connector
802.11b
14.7" x 12.1" x 1.1"
5.2lbs
Cost: $1,281-1,499 at Dealtime

However, it should be noted in screaming capitals: NEITHER OF THESE CAN DISPLAY VIDEO. This is purely for text work and light web browsing, which the manufacturers point out in their marketing materials, though they do it in polite marketingspeak. Wireless displays are not coming to the iMac, unless you want to pay more for one than you do for the G5 and hardly be able to do anything on them.

So, small and less functional screens cost a hell of a lot more than even Apple's LCDs... Right. We're going to see this soon. 🙄
 
BeyondCloister said:
WWDC is a developer event so I would expect it would be stuff relevant to development.
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ok - fair enough - i've only had the Macsince january, and the rumor sites do seem to focus pretty heavily on this wwdc - new iPod this, new PowerMac that.

still, ITMS at last so i'm happy.

as for airtunes - at the moment i've been digitising all my old vinyl - would something like this ever be able to work both ways, ie stereo > airport express > to powerbook?

Iain
 
just playing Lego...

(my 2nd post ever to this forum, please be nice!)

I think what is triggering the imagination of the forum is the fact that Airport Express is an unusual Lego brick with its WiFi, Audio out, USB, power... That's a lot of connectors! And with wireless as glue, imagination can run wilder, since there is less spatial limitation.

Below I have a list of crazy ideas, feel free to discuss and shoot them down:

- Here's an expensive one but bear with me: iSight + Airport Express = X10? Well, iSight doesn't use USB so it wouldn't exactly connect into Airport Express, but you get the idea... And why not an Airport Express II with Firewire in the near future?

- Or how about adding bluetooth on both Airport Express and iPod? If rendez-vous can be used as a protocol through bluetooth + WiFi, you could use the iPod as a remote to your iTunes station via Airport Express! No range limitation! No battery consumption problem!

- Speaking of Bluetooth, just read today that there are new specs coming with more bandwidth and less battery consumption... This will make things even more interesting... Imagine hacking an iPod with BTv2 to enable MP3 sharing... Hmm I guess that could be a DRM nightmare and therefore a showstopper for any sort of wireless iPod...

- Also think about wireless displays... You wouldn't need video out from Airport Express to connect to the display then...

- Is it possible to currently order music using TiVo? If not, wouldn't it be cool to do so through iTMS? Maybe Apple and TiVo should talk?
 
back on the wi-fi iPod - people here have said they think its a big no-no because of battery life. but surely if its in the house, the dock is right there for a permanent power supply?

at the moment the dock for my iPod lives on a bookshelf next to the sofa in the lounge, opposite the stereo/tv etc.

so the iPod could have this remote functionality - you pick up the iPod, select what you want to listen to, hit *play* and pop it back in the dock. job done.

ideally i guess there would have to be a cheaper alternative (perhaps a wi-fi plug in similar to the iTrip?) for those already with iPods, but why not include it as a feature in future revisions?

Iain
 
DrEasy said:
(my 2nd post ever to this forum, please be nice!)

- Here's an expensive one but bear with me: iSight + Airport Express = X10? Well, iSight doesn't use USB so it wouldn't exactly connect into Airport Express, but you get the idea... And why not an Airport Express II with Firewire in the near future?
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Excellent idea! Maybe there will be an iSight2 with USB2 soon?
I was requesting ideas for possible usage of the USB host on the AXp in one of the earlier threads - 0 responses... All I could come up with was a new iPod dock with IR/BT for a remote. There must be lots of other possibilities!

Az Jim
 
Stream to multiple stereos at once?

I think it would be cool if, in a later version, they allowed you to stream iTunes to every stereo in your house at the same time. It would work really well for parties.

Is there anything stopping this from happening?



Oh, and iPod reMote via Bluetooth sounds like the perfect solution for AirTunes.
 
DrEasy said:
- Here's an expensive one but bear with me: iSight + Airport Express = X10? Well, iSight doesn't use USB so it wouldn't exactly connect into Airport Express, but you get the idea... And why not an Airport Express II with Firewire in the near future?
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There's a good readon why you won't see FireWire on there, except perhaps as an additional charging station for an iPod or other device. The bandwidth for 802.11g is 54Mbit/s, and FireWire is 400 or 800Mbit/s, which you might notice is something on the order of 8 to 16 times the speed that can be transmitted with current wireless technology.

- Or how about adding bluetooth on both Airport Express and iPod? If rendez-vous can be used as a protocol through bluetooth + WiFi, you could use the iPod as a remote to your iTunes station via Airport Express! No range limitation! No battery consumption problem!
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Bluetooth is incredibly limited in data transmission - a paltry 1Mbit/s - and thus it would only make sense in the kind of application that the Salling Clicker already does. However, your latter statements are plain false. There are always battery and range considerations, no matter what wireless technology you're using.

- Speaking of Bluetooth, just read today that there are new specs coming with more bandwidth and less battery consumption... This will make things even more interesting... Imagine hacking an iPod with BTv2 to enable MP3 sharing... Hmm I guess that could be a DRM nightmare and therefore a showstopper for any sort of wireless iPod...
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I wouldn't want to fileshare on 802.11b, and that's less power consumptive than the 802.11g used in the Airport Express station. Battery life gets eaten up a lot quicker on laptops with far, far better batteries than the iPod has.

- Also think about wireless displays... You wouldn't need video out from Airport Express to connect to the display then...
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See my post above.
 
[my2cents]perfect system for...

Apple is pushing for a seamless integration for a make people enjoy the experience of listening to music and also purchasing music with AirPort Express, 'future'-iPod and AirTunes. Man, People couldn't resist the simple
and eye-pleasing interface and instant gratification of 'owning' a piece of music, right-on-dude!! 😉

Now, we all can guess that all we need now is a wifi-tablet with display big
enough to show iTune MusicStore on the screen, voice/hand-writing recognizing piece of hardware looks like an object of desire~~
and ANYBODY can use it to get enterained and shop music online!
salute to mr jobs!!!

yumyum 😛
 
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