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This isn't even a case where the FBI knows there is information on the iPhone that will allow them to stop another terrorist attack. The two terrorists are already dead. What if Apple gives in, or is forced by the Supreme Court to give in, and the FBI finds absolutely nothing on the phone that they didn't already know? We risk our privacy for nothing?

The world isn't going to crumble in an instant in Apple complies.
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But if Apple has to re-develop this hack (after destroying all traces of how they did it the first time), it becomes a practice.

How can Bill Gates, or the FBI claim that this is just a one-time request? Does the statement from the FBI mean that Apple can refuse to do it ever again? Does everyone who's making the claim that it's a singular request agree that this is the only chance they'll get to have Apple disable the passcode retry limit on an iPhone?

If you're really only going to get to do this one time, are you sure you want to waste your one time on an iPhone that probably doesn't contain any useful clues?
 
1) Well we know now not to trust Microsoft software (ok, I know he doesn't work there any more but he is their culture).

You should already not trust Microsoft software. They have a long history of rolling over for governments. They signed on early with PRISM (2007), and put a backdoor into Skype to allow collection of chats and to tap into video streams, as well as decrypting and handing over data for the SkyDrive (aka OneDrive) cloud platform.
 
If Apple opens the phone for the FBI and then they find nothing useful....

Oh man....heads will roll
 
I watched this video twice. At no time did Bill say Apple should provide the FBI access to the phone. Common MacRumors....stop misleading people by your absurd article titles!
 
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Speaking as someone who has been seriously eyeing up a Surface Pro for quite a while (as they are really great pieces of tech) I find this kind of naive, almost whimsical attitude to data security a major turnoff.

This whole saga, if I was in the FBI I would be cringing every time I hear this story being mentioned as it apparently is all a result of someone's incompetence.
 
Here's the problem with this being a 1 time thing (allegedly): what stops any other government from demanding the same thing once Apple has acquiesced and done it? What stops China or Russia from demanding access to an iPhone of a political dissident? The short view that people seem to be having when they say Apple should just go along with this doesn't seem to take that view into account.

It's a precedent. Even if they say it isn't, and even if they say it will only be used this 1 time in this 1 case, it's a precedent. And that can work both ways.
 
I've got to admit, this really surprises me. He's got the tech savvy to understand the implications of when a tool exists. And he's had enough experience with governments both at Microsoft and his foundation to know that a tool is never used just once.
Bill's experience with government consists of winning. Remember the big copyright infringement battle between MS and Apple? Gates signed copies of Win 95 on the steps of the Federal Courthouse. Remember Gates "saving" Apple with a loan and forcing Explorer at the default browser? Well intentioned guy (when it comes to him or his products).

Dale
 
Bill's experience with government consists of winning. Remember the big copyright infringement battle between MS and Apple? Gates signed copies of Win 95 on the steps of the Federal Courthouse. Remember Gates "saving" Apple with a loan and forcing Explorer at the default browser? Well intentioned guy (when it comes to him or his products).

Dale
Except when it comes to user privacy and being in bed with the NSA.
 
Microsoft has had a long history of cooperating with the NSA. I'm not surprised at all with this.

In a world where they "improve" their product by sending typing samples to Microsoft (a key logger essentially) and sample files for security with Windows Defender, I'm also not surprised that he thinks that they have access to the information already. Microsoft probably does have this level of information on all their customers at their fingertips.

Message decryption:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

Disk encryption key storage:
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/28...r-microsoft-probably-has-your-encryption-key/

Installing updates with updates turned off:
http://www.informationweek.com/micr...ut-user-permission-apologizes/d/d-id/1059183?

Windows 95 backdoors and alerting the NSA to security issues before releasing fixes:
http://www.computerworlduk.com/blog...y-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again-3569376/

Honestly, with the default privacy settings on Win 10, I'm surprised that any business with trade secrets would trust Microsoft anymore.
 
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