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Right behind the FBI will be the CIA, NSA, the US Government in general - looking equally gleeful...
... then the Repressive Regimes, etc.
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Bill Gates Says Apple Should Unlock San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone for FBI [Updated]
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Right behind the FBI will be the CIA, NSA, the US Government in general - looking equally gleeful...
... then the Repressive Regimes, etc.
While I sometimes think it's just one phone... I am reminded that in some places (in North America) the authorities can force you to scan your finger to unlock your phone without a warrant. I think how police investigate themselves, civil rights abuses, the lies, the coverups, the spin machines, the special interests..
It's really the governments fault that trust and faith are at an all time low. While it may be just one phone, they will have to do a lot more to earn the trust back.
It's really the governments fault that trust and faith are at an all time low. While it may be just one phone, they will have to do a lot more to earn the trust back.
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The DoD is moving 4 million devices to Win 10. Wonder if they get a "Special Edition"...
http://www.seattletimes.com/busines...e-swift-upgrade-to-windows-10/?utm_source=RSS
Well that was as predictable as Service Pack n.
Mr. Gates, I respectfully disagree.
Oh, and how is the NWO coming along?
Mr. Gates, I respectfully disagree.
Oh, and how is the NWO coming along?
Please explain why this affects anything.
If Apple GET INTO this one phone, pass over all the data within the phone, and that's all they do then what security has been breached?
And no. Not for 1 million years do I believe apple can not get into a individual device if it so wants to.
Tim cook murdered, the evidence on his phone, sorry, can't get in to find out.
yeah right.
If Apple GET INTO this one phone, pass over all the data within the phone, and that's all they do then what security has been breached?
And no. Not for 1 million years do I believe apple can not get into a individual device if it so wants to.
Tim cook murdered, the evidence on his phone, sorry, can't get in to find out.
yeah right.
What part of opening one phone means creating a universal key to open them all is not clear to you?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the enterprise editions remove some of those "features" because they actually pay for the systems at the enterprise level. Also, with how closely they work with / cooperate with government agencies, they probably feel comfortable with some level of interaction between Microsoft and their private information.
Bill Gates is and always has been a nobody. He hit a giant fluke by stealing and selling Windows. He tried to fanagle his way into the UN, but nobody took him seriously. So what if you've got billions of dollars, Bill you schmuck - nobody respects you.
Apple will have to come to some accommodation with the FBI. Bill Gates knows this and so does Tim Cook. The government holds all the cards.
Bill has the right idea but there is one important part that needs action;
Checks and balances.
Anybody caught abusing the system needs to get whooped. This doesn’t happen enough. Employees caught committing fraud need to get sacked or if it’s bad enough jail time. Politicians doing the same should never allowed back into politics again.
Also the time/type/depth and origin of all requests need to be made public and scrutinized to make sure it is actually necessary.
Checks and balances.
Anybody caught abusing the system needs to get whooped. This doesn’t happen enough. Employees caught committing fraud need to get sacked or if it’s bad enough jail time. Politicians doing the same should never allowed back into politics again.
Also the time/type/depth and origin of all requests need to be made public and scrutinized to make sure it is actually necessary.
I honestly don't understand the whole "master key" reasoning. It's not even possible to downgrade iOS to the latest N-1 firmware. Why would a customized iOS firmware without the auto-erase function that only works on one phone suddenly be capable of hacking every phone in the world? Why would Apple's firmware signing policy suddenly be of no effect? I understand the debate, but I think Apple can comply to the court order without giving up encryption on every iPhone. They can easily technically comply to the FBI without giving up on encryption.
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I understand the consequences of a master key, I just don't agree that Apple is creating a master key here.
If they know Apple can do this Governments around the world will demand Apple does it whenever they want. That includes evil repressive regimes like China who will use it to stamp on human rights.
To decrypt one phone you have to create a decrypt key that works for all phone not just one..... call it master key or backdoor it's the same, once you show how to hack one the other will follow the same path.
It's like if you and me (phone and decrypted storage) had a special secret language of our own (common to all other phone / storage of the same brand), if you teach someone the same language is not secret anymore and anyone can understand us, there's no only this time and only this friend of us who can know the language, sooner or later everyone will know it!
one way:
1. Apple creates the version without those features (passcode via cable, no timer, no limit how many times you can put it in before it deletes)
2. They get the iphone to update to this version via DFU
3. You can try to get in and brute force it. (iphone 5C example 4 digit passcode I would guess that shouldnt take that long)
4. Apple created software worth millions for other countries, hackers whatever group -> hope no engineer, FBI agent, politician is bribable and this version of iOS gets never into the wild
5. The government is blood thirsty. Give them the sweet access to iphones once, and it will take it all.
6. The government isnt going to delete this version of iOS. Its an awesome software for them. If it exists once the FBI wont let its fingers go from it
Its not about not one phone. Today its one phone, next week its two phones, in a month its a phone everyday, then its multiple iphones per day.
And they wont be terrorists. They might have smoked the wrong plant and they "just need this data to find the connection"
Do you really think Apple wants to police and open up iphones and handle all these requests from the agencies in the US? Not to forget every other country calls up Apple to do this too for them.
So are you saying that they are providing a device for you which you will use for work that they might tap and you have a problem?
If it’s for work there will be nothing private on there right?
Stop your sensationalism.
I really have mixed feelings about this issue. On one hand, I am very concerned about the precedence and don't like the idea of Apple (or anyone) creating a version of the operating system that defeats our phones' security. I get it.
That said; How would I feel if a friend or family member was one of the victims of the SB shootings? How would I feel if there was an immediate credible threat of a dirty bomb attack against my home town? I might be a little more willing to trade-off privacy for safety and security if my families' lives were on the line....just being honest here....I think most people would feel the same way if their loved ones were threatened.
The truth is the government has access to a lot of secret and sensitive information. Sometimes, they blow it (e.g. the security clearance data base hack). Nevertheless, we don't stop running security clearance checks because it is an essential part of running classified programs. Think about nuclear weapons launch codes. For better or worse, we trust the government to maintain and protect these codes because it is vital to ur national security.
So, if we trust the government with the information and resources to potentially destroy the planet, can we trust them to follow the terms of a court order (law enforcement has used court orders to search computers for years) and narrowly use revised phone software for the purpose intended? Can we trust the government to safeguard this software so it doesn't get used by others for nefarious purposes?
I know there are some on this forum that will say they don't trust the government with anything......but, in truth, if you are going to be an American citizen, you are going to have to trust the government with certain responsibilities related to safety and national security. This is just one of the trade-offs of being a member of a society.
That said; How would I feel if a friend or family member was one of the victims of the SB shootings? How would I feel if there was an immediate credible threat of a dirty bomb attack against my home town? I might be a little more willing to trade-off privacy for safety and security if my families' lives were on the line....just being honest here....I think most people would feel the same way if their loved ones were threatened.
The truth is the government has access to a lot of secret and sensitive information. Sometimes, they blow it (e.g. the security clearance data base hack). Nevertheless, we don't stop running security clearance checks because it is an essential part of running classified programs. Think about nuclear weapons launch codes. For better or worse, we trust the government to maintain and protect these codes because it is vital to ur national security.
So, if we trust the government with the information and resources to potentially destroy the planet, can we trust them to follow the terms of a court order (law enforcement has used court orders to search computers for years) and narrowly use revised phone software for the purpose intended? Can we trust the government to safeguard this software so it doesn't get used by others for nefarious purposes?
I know there are some on this forum that will say they don't trust the government with anything......but, in truth, if you are going to be an American citizen, you are going to have to trust the government with certain responsibilities related to safety and national security. This is just one of the trade-offs of being a member of a society.
My question was why this reasoning was valid. You're repeating the reasoning people have said before, but I don't really understand the reasoning.
In all honesty, I appreciate your effort in trying to explain to me why Apple is creating a master key, but in this case I don't think it helps to create an abstract discussion. I'm well aware of how the encryption in the iPhone technically works.
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Yes. I follow you.
Whoah, this escalated quickly. First, the FBI doesn't want a special customized software version. They want a phone that is flashed with the special customized software version. That's a whole different story. As far as I know, it's not possible to extract IPSW files from phones. Apple doesn't have to release the special firmware. They can also prevent it from being used by simply not signing the firmware. As I said, it's not even possible to downgrade to an iOS firmware version of choice (of which IPSW files are publicly available). Why would it be possible to flash a custom iOS firmware version that is only available inside Apple and is not being signed by Apple? How would that be possible? Apple has full control.
I can see the slippery slope in this case, but at this point the discussion is not so much anymore about encryption, but more about corrupt police officers. Also, if somehow the whole world got access to this special firmware and if somehow the whole world can actually flash it into a phone, and if somehow the password entry delay built in to the secure enclave (which the 5c doesn't have, but the 5s and up do have) was disabled (that's a lot of "if's"), then still a simple six-charachter alphanumeric password would make all of these efforts useless and make the phone unbreakable.
I think the danger of which Apple / Tim Cook speaks is greatly exaggerated.
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