Have you used the keyboard for more than a minute or two? The new keyboard is my favorite part of my new Macbook
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My old function keys were useless too
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Have you used the keyboard for more than a minute or two? The new keyboard is my favorite part of my new Macbook
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My old function keys were useless too
His complaint is the keyboard is horribly unreliable. I don't know one person who owns a 2017 MBP that has not had it in for repair at least once for that POS keyboard.Yes, top notch keyboardTyping faster and more accurately than previous model, what is your complaint?
Oh I’ve heard the Internet complaints, I’m even sure some actually own the machine and have had an issue. But I’m not sure your anecdotal report necessarily applies to the 10 or 15 million MBP Apple’s sold over the past couple years.
A lot of the complaints I’ve seen have to do with the short keystroke travel or the loudness of the key clicks, which seem to be a much bigger problem for those who don’t own the new MBP, than for those who do. Reminds me of the notch.
A lot of the complaints I’ve seen have to do with the short keystroke travel or the loudness of the key clicks, which seem to be a much bigger problem for those who don’t own the new MBP, than for those who do. Reminds me of the notch.
Yeah. You'd think we be up to 8Ghz by now. The IBM Power8 was running at 5Ghz and that was back in 2013. Apple should have stayed on the RISC core. Now I have a bad feeling they will soon jump to their own A12X ARM core dropping Intel someday.
Did they change the keyboard for the 2017? I have MBPr 2016 and really like the keyboard. Never had a problem with it. I use it about 12 - 14 hours per day, writing SPA and XCode applications; so the keyboard gets some use, especially the delete button.
Yeah ..... good luck with the premium keyboard friend
I'm certainly enjoying the keyboard on my 2017 MBP. Great feel, and, my speed and accuracy are much better.
No way would I go back to earlier versions.
https://timothybuck.me/blog/why-apple-wont-do-what-marco-wants-to-fix-the-macbook-pro
Good read explaining why Apple won’t walk back on their MacBook design decisions anytime soon.
Good read explaining why Apple won’t walk back on their MacBook design decisions anytime soon.
Value is definitely in the eye of the beholder. This holder thinks it is a waste of cash, not to mention only having one type of port!!!
To me the value drops even more with the sheer annoyance of having to carry around so many dongles!!! WHY O WHY! This holder thinks Tim Cook can shove these macbooks pros and associated dongles anywhere he likes.
Well, I'm sick of hearing those key clicks from that guy with the 2016 model in the office!
In all seriousness, the people who don't own it and complain about it probably don't own it because they don't like it. I needed a new laptop in 2017 and could afford the latest one but considered the 2015 one absolutely better.
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With Xcode, my keyboard gets a lot of use on the command, option, and escape keys, LOL.
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This is why it really should have an SD card slot. I've got a 128GiB microSD card w/ adaptor semi-permanently stuck in there for backups and misc large files, flush to the side of the machine, and that's the one thing you truly can't use a dongle for.
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The other (major) problem with this is that Apple doesn't give a damn about consumers. What they give you, they expect you to have no problems with. The reality is that their gimped laptops as of late are NOT working out for a lot of people.
If only Apple actually started listening to us...
My last two MacBooks were from them. I nor anyone I know of has had any bad experiences with them. Do elucidate????
This. I've had to return a MBP in past to a non-Apple dealer and it is much more difficult then dealing with Apple who would have overnighted me a replacement.
I had the keyboard/top case replaced twice on a 2016 15". When it failed again Apple replaced it with a 2017, which has been ok. Still hate the absurdly oversized trackpad, amongst other things.
I really dislike the keyboard. When I have to do a lot of typing I find myself using my old 11" Air instead of my Macbook Pro.
B&H is awesome. I've gotten 3 laptops from them so far, excellent service on every order.
As long as you don’t need a (or 3 or 4) Thunderbolt 3 Port(s), the 2015 is a fine machine. But for some MBP buyers, that’s a dealbreaker.Well, I'm sick of hearing those key clicks from that guy with the 2016 model in the office!
In all seriousness, the people who don't own it and complain about it probably don't own it because they don't like it. I needed a new laptop in 2017 and could afford the latest one but considered the 2015 one absolutely better.
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I just downloaded Ubuntu 17 and wrote it to a USB drive, booted off it on my Mac mini 2012 edition and all I can say is WOW! It's so freaking fast! Sierra is so bloated with data capture grabby stuff it slows it down to a crawl. Without that, on the same hardware it's fantastic! Thinking of buying a new PC and just going native Linux. Heck, the only thing I use on my Mac right now is a browser and photo storage. Can't imagine Apple can keep this up, selling their stuff at 2x premium.
You know, I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of users who "need" a TB3 port is miniscule . . . and you know it's true too.
I spent a month with one, and unfortunately, the keyboard never did grow on me. I was happy to go back to my previous generation 15".
Everyone's opinion is different, of course, but I know I'm not alone here.
A pretty good post, but he somewhat misses the mark when talking about USB-C. Calling them USB-C ports is really not sufficient, since the 2016/2017 MBP are capable of running the Thunderbolt 3 protocol over that USB-C port. It’s much more accurate to call it a Thunderbolt 3 Port. (Think of USB-C as being the physical connector.)
On the 15” MBP, each of the four TB3 ports are capable of 40Gbps of full duplex (bi-directional) bandwidth, i.e. 40 Gpbs in and out of the port simultaneously. TB3 ports are extremely versatile, and besides charging the MBP battery, they also provide support for any of the following (though not simultaneously):
- 4 lanes of PCI Express 3.0 (32 Gbps) for an eGPU or any supported PCIe card via an enclosure
- 8 lanes of DisplayPort 1.2, which can support either a 5K monitor @ 60Hz, a 4K monitor @ 120Hz, or 2 x 4K monitors at 60 Hz
- USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) including backward compatibility to all previous USB protocols, all the back to USB 1.1
- Other connection types, such as HDMI natively via an “alternate” mode (there are other alt modes) and 10 Gb emulated Ethernet, peer-to-peer
- Backwards compatibility with Thunderbolt 1 and 2 devices
In contrast, the 12” MacBook also has a (single) USB-C port, but it’s not a TB3 port. It’s a USB 3.1 Gen 1 port, which is limited to 5 Gbps, full duplex.
Confusion over USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 port/protocol/connector naming issues are exacerbated by the wide variety of cables available, some of which will limit the speed of the link or the ability to deliver power. It’s really kind of a mess and you have to be careful when buying cables to make sure you’re getting what you need.
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The most common use case would probably be for a 5K monitor (or two), which isn’t compatible with the TB2 port on previous generation MBP.
And you might be surprised at the number of different vertical uses for a TB3-connected external PCI-e chassis: an nVidia card (CUDA for GPGPU or even gaming), some proprietary video accelerator or DAW card, etc.
But in any case, stop acting like I somehow implied a greater need for Thunderbolt 3 than I did. I said “some” users. Whether that’s 1%, 5%, 10% or more is unknown but it doesn’t matter. The users are there, and it’s a growing percentage.
It really gets old when people only take into account their own personal experience or use case and project it onto the universe of users. Your anecdotal observations are not data. Feel free to use whatever fits your requirements, but you not having something or not needing it isn’t relevant to those who do, and you know it.
I just started a new job earlier this year where I could opt for the exact same spec'ed Macbook Pro 15" (2016) or a Lenovo business laptop. I went with the former. After 6 months, I can admit the MBP is a wonderful machine overall. The keyboard butterfly switches were strange at first, but I definitely got used to the travel. If anything, the noise of the keys as I'm typing can be quite annoying if i'm typing during a meeting, but that's the only downside i've experienced with the keyboard. Bigger trackpad doesn't get in the way with its enormous size (bigger than my 6S plus!), and the sound that comes out of the speakers is more than sufficient for personal listening. Compared to the Lenovo machine my company provides, this one is alot easier to tote around and throw in my backpack. USB-C connectivity hasn't been too prohibitive considering the lack of peripherals. I utilize a USB-C hub w/ an HDMI port and a USB-C to displayport cable to connect dual monitors at work. Taking my laptop to a meeting is as simple as unplugging 2 USB-C connections, and then reconnecting them when I get back to my desk.
My only gripe would be the touchbar. Despite its cool factor, it really hasn't met my expectations. I've tried to take advantage of it during my day-to-day activities at work, but up to now, it's seen limited use in my workflow and I feel like I wouldn't be missing out on anything if Apple went away from including it. I've even customized it utilizing BetterTouchTool. Honestly, I would buy a cheaper 15" MBP with no touchbar, but with touch ID in the power button if they offered it (I do use touch ID for unlocking my computer, and do so multiple times a day in the office when I'm not at my desk).
My only gripe would be the touchbar. Despite its cool factor, it really hasn't met my expectations. I've tried to take advantage of it during my day-to-day activities at work, but up to now, it's seen limited use in my workflow and I feel like I wouldn't be missing out on anything if Apple went away from including it. I've even customized it utilizing BetterTouchTool. Honestly, I would buy a cheaper 15" MBP with no touchbar, but with touch ID in the power button if they offered it (I do use touch ID for unlocking my computer, and do so multiple times a day in the office when I'm not at my desk).
