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I have a BB10 in my hands right now.

for those who have never used a smartphone from android or IOS, yes it is innovation. there is no wow factor for BB10. I don't know anyone who is willing to give up their android or IOS to go to BB10.
 
I agree, however, Maps wasn't "change for the sake of change". As I understand it, Google wouldn't license it in the same way as before, so "Maps" was forced, rushed, and poorly executed. The fault of both companies at the expense of consumers.

There's also the point that Apple paid major amounts of money to Google for these maps. _Now_ it is the other way round, Google pays tons of money to Apple to make Google the default search page and not Bing or Yahoo.

Maps has been improving all the time since the release. There's lots more to do, but Google worked on it for many years until they could use it to suck advertising money from it.
 
I'm sure ios is amazing under the hood, shame apple locks the hood so tight nobody can access the guts and modify the way we use the phone. I want to have choice of keyboard and input type, choice of default maps, and features that really improve work flow - not just WORTHLESS WOW
 
I've gotta disagree with most posts. While using an iPhone for the last 3 years I've def gotten used to the iOS, "bored" with the iOS is not a word I would use. When I get bored, I download an app. If I'm really bored, I may jailbreak it one day. That'll keep me busy.

Apple's whole viewpoint isn't about being the best. It's about having an operating system that helps users become HIGHLY productive - not necessarily on the cutting edge of technology.

I hate Windows because every few years then clear out their operating system and replace it with a brand new annoying one. Users must take the time to relearn the whole thing and if you're like most users, and I say most assuming most are like this, you don't want to take the time to relearn a whole new IOS. I certainly don't. I say modify the iOS to add awesome features (messaging from notification center would be nice), but leave the iOS the same so users don't get frustrated having to leave their beloved easy-to-use iOS. My parents certainly have a hard enough time learning one. I'd hate If they'd have to learn a new one in a year.

Oh and look at the Mac OS. It really hasn't changed in 10 years and its spanking competition (another assumption). Don't fix something if its not broken.

Totally agree with this. My household has had multiple iterations of iPhones, iPads, iPods. I love the fact that with all these devices, I can pick it up and instantly know how to use it. I don't want to have to re-learn how to use the OS every time I buy new iThingy.
 
Please tell me
-> wich other os supports openmp for calculating on the gpu to reduce power consumption ?
-> wich other mobile os has an integrated voip system to use by devs ?
-> wich other mobile os has something similar to gamecenter especially integrated apis for matchmaking, realtime dataexchange, free server support ?
-> wich other mobile os has a seamless backup restore mechanism ?
-> wich other mobile os has such a seamless and easy to use cloud synchronisation to your pc that even my grandmother can use it ? (yes icloud contacts, email, calendar, calendar invitations, fotostream)
-> wich other os is so secure that there exists NO malware because of all the extended and always increased security mechanisms ?
-> wich other os has so many features for visually impaired people like reading the screen, magnification of screen, contrast increase so that even my nearly blind mother can use it ? and can do more with it than with her pc ?
-> wich other os is so fast even on older hardware ? Look at the s4 wich is stuttering on scrolling webpages ?
-> wich other os has a browser so fast that it is even fast enough to use html5 games ? (from the START !!)
-> wich other os has a so simple to implement gui system that even 8 year old children can develope for it ?
-> wich other mobile os allows every of its users to fully use it without asking every 5 minutes some "nerd in the family how to do this"
-> wich other mobile os is USED by the people who bought this devices (see webstatistics or developer statistics about app usage)

so only because the app starter is a grid of icons and has not changed, it does NOT mean that ios is not innovative.
In many cases ist is more advanced than desktop os because it is far better documented, has a much cleaner and more efficient api strucutre, runtime environment and security.

Please every user who says
"IOS is not innovative because we don't have widgets" is just a stupid jerk who has no idea of innovation and technics. Its only one of these guys who can tap on some colored icons and does not even understand the most basic prinicples of software or other modern digital technology.

in short ... everyone who says ios is NOT innovative ... should just shup up because he has no right to even WRITE the word innovative because he is just to unintelligent to understand the meaning of this word

This is a joke, right? Completely ignoring the fact that several of the "wich" statements are wrong, how can you use the word "wich" that many time and end your post with "because he is just to unintelligent to understand the meaning of this word?"
Throwing out 10 or so random "facts" and then insulting everyone who dares disagree with your viewpoint (many apples fans, by the way) while also having some of the most terrible basic spelling errors I have ever seen does not help to make your point.
 
It's true, iOS is still lacking basic features I can find on a 4 year old Blackberry. The interface is a newton like icon manager. Turning wifi, Bt, airplane mode on and off takes too many steps. My phone app freezes weekly and has on every single iPhone. The auto spell is horrible and does not learn. Home screen is a totol waste, pull down doesn't do much for me, and Siri is only so helpful outside the USA. And most of all Maps is completely useless outside of major markets like the USA. I spoke to an IT Manager at a public Japanese firm and he said his entire org is still on ios 5 because of the maps issue. They are now looking to get away from ios because of maps, it's useless and they are unable to upgrade their fleet. Maps has totally destroyed my ios experience as I am traveling globally 95% of the year.. Might be getting the new Samsung

First -> enabling Wifi/BT/Airplane mode is something that is only done by less than 1% of users. You don't waste precious screenspace to such a meaningless feature if you know your job as ui developer.
And IF you do it ... well all i could say is i would fire you because you suck.

Second -> even IF maps would be a complete desaster
(which it is appearently NOT if you look at the facts, ONLY 3d view and poi had a problem but this is something that gets better every day. You CAN'T map the whole word in 2 years, google neded more than 10 years and especially where i live apple maps is far more accurate than google maps) ... don't use it. use google maps. Thats why it is an OS. It is called
OPERATING SYSTEM
An Operating System is the BASELAYER for applications.
It's ONLY !!! task is provide mechanisms so that APPLICATIONS can work and communicate.
And if you don't like an application, USE ANOTHER !!!!!!

Would you say linux is absolute ******** because Libreoffice don't has a word feature ?
No because OS and APP are two completely different things.

Sorry ... i read about 2 years macrumors. And i can only state that most comments get more stupid every day.
Especially because they are written from dorks who think they are the coolest, know everything, have to criticise but don't have the slightest cue about even the most basic mechanisms like the difference between technical innovations and ui features or about the roles of APIs, OS, Apps, UIs or similar.

And this thread was just the final point why i finally registered myself.
I could not longer endure the stupidity of 90% of the commenters.
Yes call me hater, ******* or whatever. But if people are stupid and think they are so intelligent that they have to shout their stupidity into the world ... i can't any longer read without getting aggressive
 
Blackberry never had innovation so they don't know what it means.

Yes, Apple needs to step it up but BB should be the last one to throw a shot.


Huh? For quite a while BB was the leading smartphone. Recall the term "Crackberry"? because people were addicted to them. It was Apple that dethroned it. That's what makes Mr Heins' statement so ironic and painful. BB died because it's leadership sat on the BB laurels too long, assuming big biz would not switch to iOS. History is setting up to repeat as Apple is now the "it" phone, but its star is less bright than a couple years ago because Apple has of yet don't anything with iOS other than a superficial polish.

I don't know if BB10 is a true competitor just b/c the BB brand is badly damaged and consumers have moved on. But that doesn't mean Apple is not vulnerable to a new OS that is innovative if Apple doesn't show off efforts to renew iOS at WWDC or sooner.

Apple has given us nothing new almost since iOS was released other than to plug holes that Android made apparent -- things like cut/paste, notifications, "multitasking" (still a joke on iOS), limited app & file organization).
 
I think iOS just needs a new look. It looks just like it did in 2007, it's time for a bit of a re-design. Look at something like the phone app icon with it's super-glossy glass effect with stripy lines, couldn't apple give it a new look?

Same for the lock screen as a whole. Just redesign it a little, freshen it up. Imagine if we still had these folder icons on Mac:

tiger-folder.png


Apple's designers are certainly capable of creating a new look for iOS that bring it into 2013 a bit more.
 
He seems to be endorsing a philosophy of change for the sake of change.

This seems to be the new catch phrase here on macrumors. It has overtaken "it just works", as far as I can tell. I don't think people want change for the sake of change. There are a handful of features that I have seen people often bring up. Throughout the years, these sorts of features trickle into iOS, generally through a full version update. The competition has done the same thing, but from my vantage point they have not really held back any of these features, for whatever reason. I think the thing that iOS has over anything else is this perceived better ecosystem. I say perceived because everything I can think of can be done on other platforms (I don't know about blackberry, my last bb was the pearl back in 2004-ish), it's just that Apple does it all with one login. And so, we go back to simplicity. I feel simplicity is where iOS shines, but I still wouldn't say people are looking for change for the sake of change. If anything, the screen size bump on the 5 was change for the sake of change IMO.

And I don't say this to pick on you, it's just that you were the latest "change for the sake of change" post is all. :)
 
At this point I am locked into the apple ecosystem and I am not willing to rebuy all of my apps to run them on an android or blackberry based device.

That being said, I do think apple is falling behind. One of the things that has always distinguished apple products, both in terms of hardware and software is the elegance and simplicity of design. It is seeing a new feature, like magnetic locks on power cords, that makes you think how could it have ever been done in a different way?

Compare the way IOS and Android handle CAPLOCK. In IOS double clicking the cap lock key turns it blue to indicate you are in capital lock mode. I just read recently that on Android, entering CAPLOCK mode turns all of the characters on your virtual keyboard into capital letters and exiting CAPLOCK mode turns all of the characters into lower case characters. Why didn't apple do this feature first? When will apple copy Android and incorporate this feature into IOS?
 
I will take quality over quantity any day.

Apple could easily crank out updates every week with flashy gimmicks galore (Hello Samstolen) however Apple prefers to only release finished (not Beta) quality products to market that customers actually use.

I feel very good about Tim & Jony at the helm, I'm pretty sure they still live and breathe this philosophy at Apple:

"We just want to make insanely great products"
Steve Jobs

Really? Isn't Siri still in Beta..?

Please tell me
-> wich other os supports openmp for calculating on the gpu to reduce power consumption ?
-> wich other mobile os has an integrated voip system to use by devs ?
-> wich other mobile os has something similar to gamecenter especially integrated apis for matchmaking, realtime dataexchange, free server support ?
-> wich other mobile os has a seamless backup restore mechanism ?
-> wich other mobile os has such a seamless and easy to use cloud synchronisation to your pc that even my grandmother can use it ? (yes icloud contacts, email, calendar, calendar invitations, fotostream)
-> wich other os is so secure that there exists NO malware because of all the extended and always increased security mechanisms ?
-> wich other os has so many features for visually impaired people like reading the screen, magnification of screen, contrast increase so that even my nearly blind mother can use it ? and can do more with it than with her pc ?
-> wich other os is so fast even on older hardware ? Look at the s4 wich is stuttering on scrolling webpages ?
-> wich other os has a browser so fast that it is even fast enough to use html5 games ? (from the START !!)
-> wich other os has a so simple to implement gui system that even 8 year old children can develope for it ?
-> wich other mobile os allows every of its users to fully use it without asking every 5 minutes some "nerd in the family how to do this"
-> wich other mobile os is USED by the people who bought this devices (see webstatistics or developer statistics about app usage)

so only because the app starter is a grid of icons and has not changed, it does NOT mean that ios is not innovative.
In many cases ist is more advanced than desktop os because it is far better documented, has a much cleaner and more efficient api strucutre, runtime environment and security.

Please every user who says
"IOS is not innovative because we don't have widgets" is just a stupid jerk who has no idea of innovation and technics. Its only one of these guys who can tap on some colored icons and does not even understand the most basic prinicples of software or other modern digital technology.

in short ... everyone who says ios is NOT innovative ... should just shup up because he has no right to even WRITE the word innovative because he is just to unintelligent to understand the meaning of this word
Whoa. Kinda right, but chillax man!
 
If his goal was to get himself and his ailing company in the press then, mission accomplished.

There is more magic yet to come from Cupertino, of this I have no doubt. Be wary of what you wish for Mr Thorsten Heins. The next big release from Apple, Google or Microsoft could be the final nail in the coffin.
 
It is boring but very functional. I wouldn't trade my iPhone for Android.
 
Don't get sucked up in this innovation argument. It is a psychological distraction many companies use to sway users from a competitor's product and onto theirs.
 
While he is right, I don't think his company is in a place to be criticizing innovation. Sure the new blackberry is a huge step forward, but when you were so far behind in the first place, catching up isn't quite as difficult.
 
Second -> even IF maps would be a complete desaster
(which it is appearently NOT if you look at the facts, ONLY 3d view and poi had a problem but this is something that gets better every day. You CAN'T map the whole word in 2 years, google neded more than 10 years and especially where i live apple maps is far more accurate than google maps) ... don't use it. use google maps.


Don't blame the consumer for Apple's goof. What you write IS true, but its also why Apple had NO business cutting the Google's Map contract short. Apple did so only as a vendetta against the company, and not in the best interest of its product (and by extension, shareholders, or customers. Apple admitted they made a goof, but they should have had better foresight and not released it in the first place until it was more ready for prime time.

And iOS can now use Google Maps, but recall they could not when iOS6 was first released, and months after that too.
 
Please tell me
-> wich other os supports openmp for calculating on the gpu to reduce power consumption ?

It might not be OpenMP, but pretty much every OS out these days leverage the GPU in some shape, form, or fashion.

-> wich other mobile os has an integrated voip system to use by devs ?

Hmm. Not sure. I'll pass on this one.

-> wich other mobile os has something similar to gamecenter especially integrated apis for matchmaking, realtime dataexchange, free server support ?

Windows Phone 7-8 with it's Xbox Live integration. There might be something similar for Android, though I'm not totally sure.

-> wich other mobile os has a seamless backup restore mechanism ?

This one's true. iTunes integration might have its downsides, but this is definitely not one of them.

-> wich other mobile os has such a seamless and easy to use cloud synchronisation to your pc that even my grandmother can use it ? (yes icloud contacts, email, calendar, calendar invitations, fotostream)

Android, with access to all it's Google services. iCloud overall isn't all that impressive.

I will give you Photostream, though. I like taking a picture with my iPhone and having it show up a couple seconds later on my iPad. Google offers something similar, but it isn't nearly as straightforward.

-> wich other os is so secure that there exists NO malware because of all the extended and always increased security mechanisms ?

I'm not sure I'd credit the OS so much as Apple's vetting practices. This is something I've always thought Google and MS should do. They don't have to be as draconian about it as Apple, but having a team of people check the quality of their apps on their platform wouldn't hurt at all, and would offer a better experience for their customers.

-> wich other os has so many features for visually impaired people like reading the screen, magnification of screen, contrast increase so that even my nearly blind mother can use it ? and can do more with it than with her pc ?

All of them offer something like this, I'm sure.

-> wich other os is so fast even on older hardware ? Look at the s4 wich is stuttering on scrolling webpages ?

Windows Phone 7/8 run buttery smooth on older, less optimized hardware.

-> wich other os has a browser so fast that it is even fast enough to use html5 games ? (from the START !!)

Blackberry, now with BB10.

-> wich other os has a so simple to implement gui system that even 8 year old children can develope for it ?

Metro/Modern/Whatever? It's about as simple and straightforward as iOS.

-> wich other mobile os allows every of its users to fully use it without asking every 5 minutes some "nerd in the family how to do this"

I spent 2 months teaching my Grandma how to use her iPad, and she still gets confused on occasion. iOS being so easy to use even a completely computer illiterate person can just pick it up and use it like an old pro is a myth.

-> wich other mobile os is USED by the people who bought this devices (see webstatistics or developer statistics about app usage)

Apple does have the statistical advantage, I'll give you that.

In many cases ist is more advanced than desktop os because it is far better documented, has a much cleaner and more efficient api strucutre, runtime environment and security.

Okay, I've gotta laugh at this. iOS is simpler and cleaner, sure. That's cuz everything is siloed and sandboxed to hell and back. It's nowhere near as full featured and flexible as a desktop OS.
 
What is innovative about the Z10? Other than the keyboard (I'm stretching it with this) there is not a single feature that has made anyone say "wow." They basically just came up with different ways to do exactly what the iPhone can already do. I have yet to read a single review that praises their OS as being innovative. Using a gesture instead of a tap to read email is not breaking new ground.

Could Apple step it up with iOS? Sure they can and I look forward to see what is in place once Ive has had ample time to change direction.
 
Don't get sucked up in this innovation argument. It is a psychological distraction many companies use to sway users from a competitor's product and onto theirs.

Except that iOS is basically the same as when the iPhone was released as a content consuming device, but iOS device users now both consume and create content. Apple needs to rethink iOS to fit how its use has evolved, but has not yet...maybe will see glimpses as WWDC, but right now, it has failed to show any new innovation in iOS. Its not a bogus argument for detractors or supporters to make.
 
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Blackberry never had innovation so they don't know what it means.

Are you joking? In the 90s/early 2000s their push email system was leading edge. Even BES today far exceeds anything available on iOS or Android.

Yes BB7 and below were stale, but BB10 is a good crack at something new.

Apple is falling into BB's pattern of riding on their coattails. If iOS doesn't have something spectacular in iOS 7 or a fantastical new iPhone doesn't come out in the next year or so, Apple is in danger of becoming the next Blackberry.
 
I agree with those who believe in quality over quantity.

Change for the sake of change can be disastrous.

In my opinion, the iPhone is a very powerful and stable device. What exactly, are people needing in their day to day life, that can't be done on their iPhone already?
 
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