Bloomberg: Apple's First Arm Mac to Launch by 2021 With 12-Core Processor

[Zdigital2015]

Let's put it simple, I want a computer to do both things (run Apple macOS for trivial tasks and work) and Windows (for gaming only). I do not want to mantain, use or keep two computers with me just for that thing. I do not want to use emulators or "Rosetta" s**t. I do not want to go back to Hackintosh again (was a terrible experience as well). That's where BootCamp and an Intel based Mac is useful for me.

I want all of it in just one computer. An ARM based Mac will not give me that.

You’re right, an ARM/Arm-based Mac may not give you that. The fact is that if Apple
is headed down that path, then it’s a done deal and you can accept it or not. You don’t seem to handle change well at all, so I’m guessing this is going to be very painful for you. Good luck!

 

[Bruno Castelló]

Your choice. But Panic is moving on with Nova and eventually Coda will no longer be supported on Intel, so you’re going to be choosing death one way or the other, or death will be coming for you. Dealer’s choice.

Coda 2 still works on Intel, and will always work on Intel. It just won't get updates. I don't care about updates as long as it still works and it still does and will still work forever. And I will die with that ship, thank you. I've been using Coda 2 for ten years and no other IDE that I tried in this period can match what Coda 2 can do for me. None.
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You’re right, an ARM/Arm-based Mac may not give you that. The fact is that if Apple
is headed down that path, then it’s a done deal and you can accept it or not. You don’t seem to handle change well at all, so I’m guessing this is going to be very painful for you. Good luck!

Not painful at all. I can just switch back to a Windows or Linux PC for gaming while I use VMWare to run the last version of macOS Intel so I can use my favorite web development tools. But I'm not and Apple isn't going after ARM, they will be going after AMD for sure.

 

[ct2k7]

This is not running on native way, you are basically emulating it. I want a native way and iPad can't do that. It's Qemu who is doing that for you. And with UTM you can only max 1GB RAM, not enough.

Right, but it can be achieved. You didn’t originally say how functional it had to be, yet it does work if you try. Not a nice solution, I agree.

FWIW, there’s an app on the App Store, I can’t remember the name (might be Draft Code or Pythonista) where it’s possible to run a web server.

 

[cmaier]

That was a different era entirely and Apple was offering a directly competitive product.

If you are saying that Dell selling x86 Macs would not be directly competitive to Apple selling Arm ones, I think Tim Cook would disagree with you.

 

[Bruno Castelló]

Right, but it can be achieved. You didn’t originally say how functional it had to be, yet it does work if you try. Not a nice solution, I agree.

FWIW, there’s an app on the App Store, I can’t remember the name (might be Draft Code or Pythonista) where it’s possible to run a web server.

I did a linux UTM install on my dad's iPhone X for him, he can SSH into it from his iPad, but its not as useful as it was expected for him so we ditched it also.

eeewwwww... python... *vomits* I don't work with that "thing".

Both apps do not have a MySQL server though so they are a big no-no.

 

[unsui_grep]

I am a beta tester of that version. It's terrible, very very terrible. They changed everything, the UI, everything became just worse. It's on a par with the terrible mac version of VS Code.

Guess that's why it's still in private beta. Hopefully they take your constructive criticism to heart. No need for you both to be sunsetted.

 

[smulji]

But I'm not and Apple isn't going after ARM, they will be going after AMD for sure.

We'll definitely know within the next 12 months that's for sure.

 

[ct2k7]

I did a linux UTM install on my dad's iPhone X for him, he can SSH into it from his iPad, but its not as useful as it was expected for him so we ditched it also.

eeewwwww... python... *vomits* I don't work with that "thing".

Both apps do not have a MySQL server though so they are a big no-no.

What languages do you work with?

 

[cmaier]

A ridiculous comparison, I agree... but no Macs use an ARM chip to compare against

But we have ipads and iphones, and can run workloads on them, take into account differing thermal solutions, etc. and reach rational conclusions. You don’t have to take a processor meant for embedded devices and use that as your benchmark just because it looks a little less tablet-y.

 

[Zdigital2015]

if Apple transitions the MAC to ARM, they should consider continuing to develop MacOs on x86 and just license it out. HP and/or Dell would run with it. It would be a huge win for Apple in licensing fees and would increase its market share on x/86 and they could still develop their own ARM based competitive ecosystem. That, my friends, is thinking different.

Apple has zero interest in licensing macOS. My G**, do any of you wishful thinkers have an inkling of how Apple operates and does business or how it has done business for the past 24 years?!? It’s not a charity and it’s not a petting zoo!

Apple doesn’t want Dell’s ****ing piddly-ass licensing fees. Good grief, they make more than that in an hour of online sales of new ****ing Watch bands.

The whole point in moving the Mac to ARM/Arm is to start to capture a percentage of those people who are using an iOS device and don’t have a Mac. How many devices did Apple sell last year?!? What would it be like to get 20% of those people to buy a Mac as well? Knowing that they can simply run a Mac version (Catalyst) of the app from their iPhone that they know and love that they can run on an iPad at some point or instead.

Besides, Dell doesn’t want to sell Macs. Neither does HP or Acer or Lenovo. I keep hearing around here how great Windows 10 is over macOS. Why are you people still here? Why on God’s green earth would you buy a Mac to run Windows the majority of the time?!? Go buy a PC! Why would you buy a Mac to game on?!? Go buy a PC!

 

[ct2k7]

But we have ipads and iphones, and can run workloads on them, take into account differing thermal solutions, etc. and reach rational conclusions. You don’t have to take a processor meant for embedded devices and use that as your benchmark just because it looks a little less tablet-y.

My only concern is that iOS and macOS are different... do they even share the same Darwin kernel anymore?

 

[Tekguy0]

that’s not the only reason to use thunderbolt.

No, but is is necessary to have it?

 

[Bruno Castelló]

No, but is is necessary to have it?

If u want faster data transfer, yes.

 

[Madhatter32]

If you are saying that Dell selling x86 Macs would not be directly competitive to Apple selling Arm ones, I think Tim Cook would disagree with you.

You are probably right. But I think that Dell selling x/86 Macs could mean that Dell would be it working for Apple not against it. If Apple differentiated ARM Macs enough it could make sense. Judging by the many comments in this thread, there seems to be quite a difference between how two architectures would affect functionality. But, if you are saying MacOS x/86 = MacOS Arm exactly in both form and function than it may not be a good thing I suppose.

 

[ct2k7]

No, but is is necessary to have it?

For fast data transfers, yes.

 

[jerryk]

But does it run Adobe Photoshop? Coda? A full fledged web server with Apache 2, PHP 7, MySQL 6.x ? Can it game? Can it run F1 2019 or the soon to be released, Flight Simulator X? Nope.

There's more than one way to create more problems.

It's linux so it does what a linux server does. But with that said, I don't run server apps on any desktop level machines any more. I run them all in the cloud. Much easier from a maintenance perspective, and I can spin up new machines in a minute and use things like Kubernates to coordinate containers.

If I want to game, use photoshop, or flightsim I would use my Windows 10 desktop with 2 -RTX 2080s in it.

And isn't Coda 2 End of life. Panic seems to be pushing Nova.

 

[Spungoflex]

This is going to be the death of the Mac computers as a whole. Arm Macs won’t have any compatability with any of the software available until the software developers update their software and most will be left behind. Microsoft tried to transition to ARM with the Surface Pro X and Windows 10 on ARM has been a failure. I expect this to fail as well, especially since ARM will probably not have the same performance for all tasks compared to X86-64.

Microsoft never tried to transition to ARM. That is nonsense.

 

[Bruno Castelló]

It's linux so it does what a linux server does. But with that said, I don't run server apps on any desktop level machines any more. I run them all in the cloud. Much easier from a maintenance perspective, and I can spin up new machines in a minute and use things like Kubernates to coordinate containers.

If I want to game, use photoshop, or flightsim I would use my Windows 10 desktop with 2 -RTX 2080s in it.

And isn't Coda 2 End of life. Panic seems to be pushing Nova.

Go back some posts and you will see me saying I do not want to mantain two different computers. I can do that all with just one x86 Mac. I do not want to have two computers at home - just one. The only way to do that is using BootCamp with a Mac, since a Hackintosh experience is a terrible nightmare.

I am not a fan of cloud based services and I prefer to develop locally. I can do development on the go and without paying so much for internet.

I've also mentioned that I am a private beta tester of Nova, and I did not like it (I hated it) therefore I will not switch from Coda 2 to Nova or whatever. Sticking with Coda.

 

[cmaier]

My only concern is that iOS and macOS are different... do they even share the same Darwin kernel anymore?

Yes
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Microsoft never tried to transition to ARM. That is nonsense.

Huh? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/

 

[urnotl33t]

Apple already has an App Store with over 2.2 million apps that are made to work on an arm processor. They released one app for iPhone, iPad and Macs, it’s all coming together.

Yep. The latest “universal” app thing was your final obvious clue, the hint the size of Texas. It’s coming. They’ll have something to say about it very soon with WWDC 2020.

 

[smulji]

Yep. The latest “universal” app thing was your final obvious clue, the hint the size of Texas. It’s coming. They’ll have something to say about it very soon with WWDC 2020.

Is the transition to ARM necessary for that though?

 

[ct2k7]

Yes

wasn’t aware, thanks

 

[FaustsHausUK]

Here comes the big lie about ARM chips...

It's a simplification, sure, but I'd bet real money on a 5nm 12-core A-series processor consuming much less power than the 14nm 6-core Core i7 in my MBP performing many typical tasks.

 

[maflynn]

Microsoft never tried to transition to ARM. That is nonsense.

That is incorrect MS has an arm based version of windows

 

[DeepIn2U]

Funny how most people think this is the death of the Mac. I think this could be the death of Windows notebooks just like Netbooks were killed by Apple. These machines probably have days of battery time combined with an enormous amount of power. People keep saying ARM cannot match x86 performance but this is just not true. Also the whole macOS on ARM discussion is unnecessary. macOS has been running on ARM for at least 13 years, it's fine and the transition will be fine as well. They've more than a few labs running macOS on different architectures, they've been doing that since the NeXT days in the 80's.

FYI NeXT is the 90’s not the 80’s lol.

mill agree with everything else you’ve stated.