Tegra is the name of the ARM chip. Using Cortex-A57 as CPU and Maxwell 128SM as GPU.
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Tegra is the name of the ARM chip. Using Cortex-A57 as CPU and Maxwell 128SM as GPU.
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eMAG is a family of 64-bit high-performance ARM server microprocessors designed by Ampere Computing for the data center.en.wikichip.org
This ARM CPU is sold with a NVIDIA Titan V or Tesla V100.
Nice, but I want to see performance, not a wiki page. It must be really slow to process video and it does not run Final Cut or Adobe Premiere. Plus these are for datacenters not for video editing professionals.
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There's only problem: I want a computer, not a video game console. And Nintendo Switch is not a computer...
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Apple has been trying to merge the Mac and iOS por a while... ARM processors on the Mac would mean that they might be able tu run iOS Apps which is a huge market right know and just might push the sales of the Mac that have been dropping slowly for years. Also, Apple has been relying on Intel for their processors for a long time and Intel has just became the same IBM became a few years ago. Now that Apple has successfully tested their own processors on extremely popular devices they are ready to start moving away from Intel with a "full" in house Mac. Having control of the whole design means that Apple can fine tune and improve their products faster and better than ever instead of depending on another company to supply integral parts. And finally, using in house processors mean that the final product can be potentially cheaper (less expensive, sorry) and that will benefit the consumers too.
I truly hope the new A14 or A15 Mac is fast enough to compete with the standard Intel Mac because to consumer eyes, everything is about speed.
Intel is already lagging behind ARM by single core performance and power efficiency.
A14/A15 Mac will outperform Intel counter part by huge margin and I hope they will keep the macOS like it is today.
Remind you Apple totally isolated Mac Catalyst and iOS. They removed all deprecated APIs in Mac Catalyst makes it incompatible to iOS. It looks like Apple does not want people run iOS app directly on macOS.
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This amazon CPU has similar setup.
It out perform Intel Xeon Platinium.
It is way faster than the 28 core Intel Xeon W inside 2019 Mac Pro.
Data center do not need a GPU. These are workstation targeting same people Mac Pro did.
All this case shows how capable ARM chip can be and you do not need to purchase them.
You said ARM can not game and it can. You said ARM must be slow for video editing and it is faster than the fastest Xeon W.
CPU instruction never really affect their performance. ARM is faster today just because x86 was a 40 years old design and is a burden for modern CPUs.
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Intel is already lagging behind ARM by single core performance and power efficiency.
A14/A15 Mac will outperform Intel counter part by huge margin and I hope they will keep the macOS like it is today.
Remind you Apple totally isolated Mac Catalyst and iOS. They removed all deprecated APIs in Mac Catalyst makes it incompatible to iOS. It looks like Apple does not want people run iOS app directly on macOS.
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This amazon CPU has similar setup.
It out perform Intel Xeon Platinium.
It is way faster than the 28 core Intel Xeon W inside 2019 Mac Pro.
"faster..." "faster"... "faster" is that all you care about? I care about what it can run and none of these ARMs run my apps or games. I don't care about how faster an ARM based cloud server can run, if it don't let me use Adobe Photoshop and Adobe XD to design my websites or Adobe Illustrator to create the vector icons as well as Coda to develop the sites, or BootCamp to run my Windows games.
As for Catalyst... https://developer.apple.com/mac-catalyst/
Seems that it is still possible when reading that page wording. I've tested the JIRA app at work; Nothing really useful on both my iPhone and Mac, and I prefer to use the web based JIRA version because the app has nothing worth it.
Steve said a lot of things - including Your holding it wrong.
Managed 5.0Ghz on Power6 (2007)
4 threads per core (4, 6, or 8 cores available) on the Power7 (2010). Want a maxed out 5,1 or a 8core/32 thread Power7 running at 4.25Ghz?
8 threads per core (6 or 12 cores available) by Power8 (2014). The trashcan or a 12 core/96 core Power 8 box?
I actually do things with my PC (3d art) - it needs cores, threads, & ram.
A PowerPC based Mac would be incredible in 2020.
In 2020, This:
or an 8 core/16 thread 7,1 (for the same price)
Intel is already lagging behind ARM by single core performance and power efficiency.
A14/A15 Mac will outperform Intel counter part by huge margin and I hope they will keep the macOS like it is today.
Remind you Apple totally isolated Mac Catalyst and iOS. They removed all deprecated APIs in Mac Catalyst makes it incompatible to iOS. It looks like Apple does not want people run iOS app directly on macOS.
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This amazon CPU has similar setup.
It out perform Intel Xeon Platinium.
It is way faster than the 28 core Intel Xeon W inside 2019 Mac Pro.
Data center do not need a GPU. These are workstation targeting same people Mac Pro did.
All this case shows how capable ARM chip can be and you do not need to purchase them.
You said ARM can not game and it can. You said ARM must be slow for video editing and it is faster than the fastest Xeon W.
CPU instruction never really affect their performance. ARM is faster today just because x86 was a 40 years old design and is a burden for modern CPUs.
They are for datacenters, the page says so. For what they use the GPUs I don't really care about. These are not Mac Pro rivals.
ARM can't game, period. It cannot run F1 2019, Flight Simulator X, and a myriad of high quality PC games that are GPU intensive. Heck, ARM can't even run iRacing with enough FPS for pro gamers. I said games for PRO, not for casual gamers like Nintendo noobs or Candy Crush addicted people.
ARM is not faster, my iPad running a Qemu app struggles to emulate Windows 2000. WINDOWS 2000!!!!!
These ARMs cannot be used by video editing professionals either, since they can't run Adobe Premiere, Final Cut and similar professional video editing software capable of rendering high quality 4K videos.
Also, 3D rendering on ARMs? ROFL. Not gonna happen. I am yet to see a car being designed on it...
The End.
That was because the clone manufacturers made better computers than Apple and had a much faster development cycle than Apple.
We are talking about a CPU. Faster and more power efficient are the only thing everyone should care.
Almost nobody writing software using assembly directly so switching from Intel to ARM is just like flipping a switch inside Xcode.
Since Catalina already dropped 32bit support and ARM64 shares same default FP64 format AMD64 is using, the source code is highly compatible and 99% app just need a recompile to run on ARM Mac.
BTW adobe already porting their App to iPad. Photoshop on iPad is running the same source code of their desktop counterparts.
I do iOS app development so I know how hard it is still to port a iOS app to Mac Catalyst.
Apple explicitly mark iOS AMD64 simulator binary ABI incompatible with AMD64 Mac Catalyst binary. This shows how much they want to separate iOS app and Mac Catalyst app.
Actually, that "dream" was reality in the late 80s.
I was using desktop ARM machines in the late 80s/90s that ran rings around the 80186/80286 processors of the day. One of the early ARM products was actually an accelerator card for x86 PCs - the ARM was that much faster than an x86.
The reason we're not knee-deep in super-powerful ARM desktops today is that between the mid 80s and the early 00s, you could have invented a computer that would run 100 times faster than a PC, brought about world peace, cured male pattern baldness and otherwise met the customer's needs seven ways from Sunday and still not been able to sell it if it didn't run DOS. Heck, the Mac barely survived, and in the late 80s it could do stuff that simply wasn't possible on PCs. If you think that's still the case today then you weren't around then... the web, mobiles, Linux, open source and even the Mac have all taken great gouges out of the Wintel monolith, and most software written today doesn't contain a line of processor-architecture specific code.
The A12X already gives the MBP's i7 a run for its money despite being stuck in a tablet with passive cooling. Amazon have a 64-core ARM chip for cloud computing that delivers more bang-per-buck than Intel (https://www.anandtech.com/show/15578/cloud-clash-amazon-graviton2-arm-against-intel-and-amd/10) - and ARM doesn't have to beat Intel on raw per-core power, as its smaller, lower-power cores leave more space on the chip for more cores, more cache, vector units, GPUs, "Neural engines" etc. (which is why ARM cores are being used in supercomputers: https://www.extremetech.com/computi...d-supercomputer-launched-as-exascale-heats-up)
Because developers don't want to make money.
They will only port, IF it is worth their time to do so
Version 1 hardware with Version 1 software - what could possibly go wrong?
ARM can game, check Nintendo Switch.
Not only it can game. It can run Crysis.
qemu is emulating x86 on iPad. Not running them natively.
A Respberry Pi 3 can run Windows much faster than qemu on iPad. Because it is running Windows 10 ARM natively.
Using qemu on Windows AMD64 to run ARM Android will get you same slow performance and you can not say Android ARM is faster your desktop.
Could you please stop spreading lies? ARM is not faster or power efficient, they are the opposite. I've seen that, they are garbage. Nothing beats AMD Ryzen or Intel i9 yet.
It was discussed a few pages ago, most people said it was not that simple like "flipping a switch". It is not that simple. It demands a lot of work to make it work. It's not ON/OFF. Understand that?
Dude, I'm a designer, I've tested their iPad version and I laughed at this. It's terrible. Pixelmator and Vectornator can do a better job. Even Affinity can do a better job. Adobe is utterly ridiculous. That is for you, it is not that simple as in "just flip a switch to change the target architecture and its done". No, its not.
Which contradicts the idea of an ARM based Mac being easier to run iOS apps.
Power did not have chips for laptops back then and they do not have them now.Steve said a lot of things - including Your holding it wrong.
Managed 5.0Ghz on Power6 (2007)
4 threads per core (4, 6, or 8 cores available) on the Power7 (2010). Want a maxed out 5,1 or a 8core/32 thread Power7 running at 4.25Ghz?
8 threads per core (6 or 12 cores available) by Power8 (2014). The trashcan or a 12 core/96 core Power 8 box?
I actually do things with my PC (3d art) - it needs cores, threads, & ram.
A PowerPC based Mac would be incredible in 2020.
In 2020, This:
or an 8 core/16 thread 7,1 (for the same price)
ARM can't game, period. I have never seen an ARM computer running F1 2019 with ultra high graphics. Nintendo Switch for casual gamers and noobs, not for Professional gamers.
Crysis is a ****** game.
I've used a RPi3 before, and it cannot run Windows much faster than qemu, it simply cannot, because I've tried it. Windows 10 ARM is not the same thing that makes the desktop version. You're referring to the ****** useless IoT version (IdiOTs version).
Android is another garbage. They can't make a proper OS for the hardware they put on it and thats why they lose to iOS on pure performance.
Hmm. Do your plans include still being employable in 3 years' time? Because, whether or not ARM catches on, this "new-fangled cloud stuff doesn't interest me therefore it doesn't exist" stuff doesn't bode well for that...
Enjoy your retirement.
See, you keep saying this. But what you really mean is "ARM can't run the three games I care about." Those aren't the same things at all. And, maybe ARM could if those games were ported to ARM. Not that I think they would be, but it's certainly not impossible.
Why do I have to spend bucketloads of money for a cloud to develop when I can do it locally and push on git whenever I feel needed to do so? I don't need to do from a cloud for the entire day when I can do it locally. You're simply being ignorant.
I'm a software engineer. Do you think I really believe into what other people saying about my code?
In Xcode I can just flip a switch to generate a iOS app for x86. The iOS simulator itself is running natively on x86_64.
Same goes for Mac apps. One switch and a few test and maybe fix some stupid pointer problem that haunted your app already for long time you got it working.
ARM is faster and more power efficient -- more power efficient means faster because you can just scale up to utilize the efficiency.
They are not opposite. AMD CPU using half the power of Intel and getting better performance. Just like how ARM CPU using half of AMD and getting even better performance.
SPECperf is not a random joke benchmark. It is how Intel benchmark their CPU and is well acknowledged by the silicon industry.
By SPEC A13 has faster integer performance than a 9900k. And only 20% slower floating point performance than a 9900k.
ARM based Mac will not run iOS app easier than current Intel Mac. Who ever came up with that idea never really look at Apple's official document for Mac Catalyst.
Enjoy your silly candy crush game on your arm device then. I only care about PRO games and Simulations, not The Sims or Minecraft stupidity.
Who says this has to be an EITHER x86 OR ARM shift?
it’s entirely possible and I posit likely that the ARM Mac will have both an x86 and ARM based CPU with more and more software shifting the ARM processor over time.
it’s entirely possible and I posit likely that the ARM Mac will have both an x86 and ARM based CPU with more and more software shifting the ARM processor over time.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, keep lying. It's not that simple as flipping a switch. I also pay for an Apple Developer account, I've developed a few little apps (for macs only) before and I know it is not THAT simple.
I don't care about benchmarks. All I care about is: Can it run my apps or games? NO, IT CANNOT. I've been saying that since the start but you simply don't listen to that and keep throwing stupid lies and benchmarks that mean nothing to me.
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You mean both on the same computer or two different models? These Macs are already incredibly expensive, can you imagine how expensive it would be (both on same) ? No way. It's one or another, not both.
I’m not well versed on ARM at all, but it seems like a lot of people are saying that this transition is not gonna happen and that a lot of things are impossible.
Why don’t people think that Apple has already figured things out? This has probably been in the works for years. Do people really think that Apple doesn’t have their shxt together? Lol.
Can your ccomputer run Crysis?
Oh you don't care because you don't play Crysis.
And in your mind anyone playing Crysis and only play Crysis is not a gamer.
"XXX game players are not gamer because that game is ****."
That pure cancer and as a gamer myself I do not think that's a good attitude.
I have G29 and do play racing games like project Car though not simulators since G29 isn't a great fit for them. I do not see why they will not port x86 version of the game to ARM. As I said the game is written in C++ not x86 assembly. Throw the game through clang/gcc/msbuild you will get an ARM version at no time.
Windows 10 ARM is not the IoT version. It has full desktop experience and now have native Edge chromium browser.
It even emulate x86 apps.
Have you seen how Apple has been recently? Plagued with FaceTime bugs and other similar problems in their software? Have you seen how they dealt with the "fantastic" butterfly keyboard? They can be that stupid.
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Just stop here. STOP. Project Cars is ridiculous. Physics are not on point. Tyre model is not on point either. PC is not a simulator and neither a racing game for PROs.
ARM is not for professional gamers, period. They are for those who like to play Candy Crush on their smartphones.
Nice, but it is slow as hell. I know, I've tried it. Even my old 286 in 80's was faster than this s**t.
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