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Doesn't make any sense that they wouldn't include it for a year. Its not like they don't have the tech already there for this. I can understand the MB argument as the display is too thin but iMac? No excuse other than intentionally holding it back.
 
I'm by no means an expert on this but considering how tightly integrated Face ID is with the secure enclave and all that. I don't think an external monitor will ever provide Face ID unlock of a connected a MacBook.
While I don’t expect it, there’s no reason it can’t be done; it’d just require a pairing process. If the display is later connected to another Mac, Face ID would be disabled until reconnected to the paired Mac or able to be reset. The paired Mac would just receive a pass/fail for each Face ID attempt, basically.

They could do basically the same thing for Touch ID on the Magic Keyboard, too.
 
Taking their sweet time as usual

No... Simply not enough time for their aggressive schedule. That's not a new concept. Something that all companies deal with. Especially developing a a highly refreshed product and hitting a required release date. Stuff you want to include has to wait, for a variety of reasons, especially when needing to rely on dozens of vendors supplying parts, complicated with the pandemic.
 
Having an uncovered webcam on any computer all the time still freaks me out.

Would be nice if they built in an integrated web or Face ID cover. The current options I use are essentially just stickers to peel on or off.
I’m legit curious. I have friends that still put tape on their computer camera too.

what makes a computer camera freaky, while walking around with a phone that has potentially 4 cameras that follows you everywhere?

no one puts tape on those? It’s never made sense to me. I’m legitimately asking if there is additional security or a difference in software that makes computer cameras more vulnerable?
 
This is a ridiculous delay, this is long overdue, as is a better camera, especially with current work at home issues.
 
I have to say the rumor about design of the back being completely flat is kinda disappointing; current design has beautifully thin edges (which is the angle you mostly see the machine, when not using it), bulkier back is completely unnoticed IMO. No matter how thin this new thing is going to be, if it will have a flat-back "ipad pro" form, edges will never be as thin as they are now. Maybe they will go for a compromise here and somehow retain thinner edges (I hope)...
 
I have to say the rumor about design of the back being completely flat is kinda disappointing; current design has beautifully thin edges (which is the angle you mostly see the machine, when not using it), bulkier back is completely unnoticed IMO. No matter how thin this new thing is going to be, if it will have a flat-back "ipad pro" form, edges will never be as thin as they are now. Maybe they will go for a compromise here and somehow retain thinner edges (I hope)...
You know that the 5mm thick edge is just right on the edge..move back couple of mm and the thickness get bigger and bigger
No need for that bulky back since the imac will no longer have dGpu and hdd and arm SoC will never get hot as the Intel 90-95w were
So a flat top to bottom, left to right 15 mm is all we need for better speakers as well
 
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So sad about the iMac, but makes sense if they are having some sort of supply issues.

Hopefully they end up in the new MBP along with a proper 1080p camera!
 
As somebody who has used iMacs since 2008, my personal opinion is that I'd rather FaceID than a redesign. Ultimately the redesign will look great, but it won't actually change anything about using the computer. FaceID on the other hand will make using the iMac significantly easier and more convenient.

There have been comments so far that this is about greed and Apple keeping something for the 2nd Gen and while I do think that's a credible opinion it could also be that because you sit further away from the computer it may not work as well. Or they don't have enough inventory or they are going to release a new magic keyboard with touchID!

But Apple's track record tells us it's probably the most cynical reason!
Well, it wouldn’t be a power limitation in the iMac, which would fix your distance issue. No, it is about having something in reserve for the next model.
 
No... Simply not enough time for their aggressive schedule. That's not a new concept. Something that all companies deal with. Especially developing a a highly refreshed product and hitting a required release date. Stuff you want to include has to wait, for a variety of reasons, especially when needing to rely on dozens of vendors supplying parts, complicated with the pandemic.
Apple would have had an iMac prototype setup with an experimental version of faceID back in 2017. It was already commercialised then on an iPhone, so from then it would be tweaking for how an iMac would be set up, probably to increase power to compensate for a slightly greater distance between camera and user.
 
Some of us care about safety and actually use properly long passwords that we don't want to keep entering all the time. FaceID is also useful for continuous and seamless authentication, like when using password managers or entering credit card info, etc. It also increases security, because it could serve as a second security layer in addition to password or a hardware key. And of course it's a massive increase in comfort with literally no negatives, since you can keep using a password instead.

How your deranged boomer mind could possibly reach a conclusion that wanting a functionality and safety upgrade, for which technology has been widely available since 2017, means that your computer is just a toy, is a mystery to me. If anybody is sad, it's you. Get on with the times, the world didn't stop in 1980, things will and must keep getting better.

And get off your high horse, you are posting in an iMac thread. It's basically a laptop glued to a bigger screen that you can't move or upgrade
Safety. ha ha ha. You couldn't make it up. So you use properly long passwords for safety, but you want to bypass that with FaceID. Do you realise how ridiculous that statement comes across.

Do you know how long it took to bypass FACEid: 20 seconds...So if you really are concerned with safety and use a long password, then the last thing you would want is Face ID!
 
Well its a long time since I've seen someone write something so stupid about safety. When people comment about FaceID being a necessity to prevent putting in safe long passwords....literally rolled on the floor laughing.

Do you realise how easy it is to bypass Face ID.

Just look it up.

if this was supposed to convince me that some of these comments were from professionals using iMacs as work computers rather than toys, then its failed miserably.

Face ID might be easy, might be a bit more glitz, but its certainly got nothing to do with data integrity and keeping it safe.
 

Its even easier to hack now that masks are used.

Even Apple aren't content with FaceID, hence they are changing it so for those who think its safe and are crying so much about no faceId on the iMac then perhaps Apple want it to be safer before its on that platform. Clearly they do, as they've put in new patents:
 
A complete overhaul is a redesign + FaceID, but that’s not the case 🤨. I’d take the redesigned 30” and a good webcam, the wait is exhausting.
 
How about they first get Touch ID and/or click-on-the-watch working for everything first? Despite having both of those set up, I have to type in my password to unlock far too much stuff still.
 
I’m legit curious. I have friends that still put tape on their computer camera too.

what makes a computer camera freaky, while walking around with a phone that has potentially 4 cameras that follows you everywhere?

no one puts tape on those? It’s never made sense to me. I’m legitimately asking if there is additional security or a difference in software that makes computer cameras more vulnerable?
99% of the time, my phone's cameras get a view of the inside of my pocket.

As for the mac, I trust Apple when they say that the little green LED next to the camera can't be disabled.

I'd be more concerned about microphones, frankly, but I only get to say that because the only home assistant I have is a single HomePod (and again, I trust Apple when they say that no audio is sent off-device until it hears the attention phrase).
 
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Apple would have had an iMac prototype setup with an experimental version of faceID back in 2017. It was already commercialised then on an iPhone, so from then it would be tweaking for how an iMac would be set up, probably to increase power to compensate for a slightly greater distance between camera and user.

Oh, OK. Please... call Mr. Dan Riccio, Apple's SVP of Hardware Engineering and give him the benefit of your product engineering expertise and inside knowledge, letting him know what they did wrong. And more importantly, how they can do better in the future.
 
Wow. What a shame. I guess when the iMac redesign releases I can decide then if I want to get it or wait another year.
 
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