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snipped wild dreams about Blu-Ray and cheap Macs

Keep dreaming there, buddy boy. The Macs today are no more expensive than the one you own was when you got it, but they sure ain't coming down in price anytime soon, and there's no good reason for Apple to bother with Blu-Ray, especially just a reader (since playback is a "bag of hurt" and there's not exactly a flood of data BD's out on the market).

jW
 
Apple WILL have to at some point put blu-ray drives int heir machines

They have no choice because the need for blu-ray is getting bigger and biggeger now what with video editing and more!

Not really.

And yes, they do. They've had the choice since 2004, and they haven't taken it. They don't care. Blu-ray movies conflict with the iTunes Store.
 
Not really.

And yes, they do. They've had the choice since 2004, and they haven't taken it. They don't care. Blu-ray movies conflict with the iTunes Store.

Which is sad considering the HD movies in iTunes are missing about a million pixels of resolution and lossless 7.1 (at least as an option).

Side note: those pixels are probably not missed in the majority of the Macs that Apple sells, but it would be noticed if one were to either upgrade to a Mac that can display them, or want to play them on your TV that is capable of displaying them. Of course this would probably matter more if people did care...
 
Which is sad considering the HD movies in iTunes are missing about a million pixels of resolution and lossless 7.1 (at least as an option).

Side note: those pixels are probably not missed in the majority of the Macs that Apple sells, but it would be noticed if one were to either upgrade to a Mac that can display them, or want to play them on your TV that is capable of displaying them. Of course this would probably matter more if people did care...

When they update Apple TV, it will gain 1080p support, and then iTunes will offer 1080p movies and other video content for purchase.

That's the main reason they don't already offer 1080p content.
 
Keep dreaming there, buddy boy. The Macs today are no more expensive than the one you own was when you got it, but they sure ain't coming down in price anytime soon, and there's no good reason for Apple to bother with Blu-Ray, especially just a reader (since playback is a "bag of hurt" and there's not exactly a flood of data BD's out on the market).

jW
Well, well...

Yes, about the same prices as in 2003, but then the feature/price-relation was good. In the past years, PC notebook prices have come down significantly, even the high-end Sony Vaios...

BR-D: Maybe you should check out Amazon for a reference concerning 'flood of data':
http://www.amazon.com/Blu-ray-movie...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=328655101&pf_rd_i=507846
 
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Anybody remember when Apple used to sell a pack of 5 DVD-Rs for $100? This was is 2001.
 
When they update Apple TV, it will gain 1080p support, and then iTunes will offer 1080p movies and other video content for purchase.

That's the main reason they don't already offer 1080p content.
_If_ iTunes movies will ever be available in my country...

Still does not solve my wish to lend/borrow BR movies from my friends though...
 
Hello,

I am not sure if it really makes sense to argue with other people that they don't need a certain type of technology. Some do, some simple want it and some could better use a different technology like a hard drive.

I am not sure but I thought with Toast9 and the BluRay plugin it is already possible to burn BD on a Mac. Of course you need an external drive or you burn the Bluray data on a conventional DVD.

I really hope that Apple includes Bluray drives in their Macs. Its just the disc media of the future. And prices will come down.
 
Snow Leopard won't be OUT at MacWorld, but I'm glad that you're hoping that Apple forgot what they said THREE MONTHS AGO, I guess.

jeez it is amazing how up to date you are :eek:. There is defiantly going to be a demo there, if they dont release at MW i know it will be February. I only care because I want the speed advantages of SL (grand central, etc.) and the .1GHz processor increase on the MB;). When do you expect to see blu-ray, since you always guess dead on:p
 
jeez it is amazing how up to date you are :eek:. There is defiantly going to be a demo there, if they dont release at MW i know it will be February. I only care because I want the speed advantages of SL (grand central, etc.) and the .1GHz processor increase on the MB;). When do you expect to see blu-ray, since you always guess dead on:p

I really don't believe that Snow Leopard will be released before WWDC 09
 
It's inevideible that Macs support Blu-ray. They are all about the "little" guy, they just have to make sure it makes business sense to the majority.
 
When do you expect to see blu-ray, since you always guess dead on:p

Of all the things to ask... I really don't know. Apple doesn't like the licensing and HDCP. While I haven't read too much into it, I don't see a change in the Blu-ray DRM policy any time soon. Perhaps it won't even happen until the 400GB Blu-ray disks are mainstream and we're watching Super Hi-Vision movies with them. Little segue here: Super Hi-Vision compressed to MPEG-2 is 600Mb/s. I don't want to get into all the conversions and size changes here, but this will be available as a release on Blu-ray disks FAR before the U.S. broadband network can manage something of this nature for downloads (much less STORAGE on a computer as Apple wishes!); heck, FIOS maxes out at only 50Mb/s right now! Now, when our televisions are 7680x4320 (Super Hi-Vision resolution), 1080p video downloads in iTunes will have just become available to everyone (available in terms of the affordability of broadband speeds fast enough to handle such a download in a reasonable amount of time, in addition to having computers with the storage to hold said videos in iTunes... We'll have seen the demise of the 20" iMac by then, because it would be bad marketing in Apple's eyes to make a screen below 1920x1200 resolution). But, as I said, the availability of 1080p for download on the fly (hard to imagine now) will be made somewhat insignificant by the onset of 7680x4320 movies on disks and such a download would take over 10x the time needed to go to Wal-Mart and buy a 400GB Blu-ray disk with said resolution movie on it.

So, in a roundabout way of saying it, when Super Hi-Vision is the new standard for video resolution, that is when we will see Blu-ray in Macs, because nationwide broadband will NOT be able to catch up in time barring the discovery of a true room temperature superconductor. And not the one they have right now. That thing just barely hits what scientists call "room temperature" (room temperature to them is "above the liquefaction point of nitrogen" so that the material–a ceramic, in this case–can be cooled to the point of superconductivity very cheaply).

Wait... where was I going? Okay, Super Hi-Vision... 400GB Blu-ray disks... a room-temperature superconductor for nationwide broadband infrastructure... oh, yeah.

We'll see Blu-ray in Macs around 2015. :D This date is based on the first adoption of Super Hi-Vision as a broadcast format (Japan in 2012 for TV), a cheapening of those 400GB Blu-ray disks (because of mass production), and TV manufacturers' greed toward the American people, because once we ALL have HDTVs, they'll break out the "Oh, 1080p sucks! Here! Look at 4320p!" argument and we'll start to see that resolution of TV come out. Of course, the first 7680x4320 Blu-ray movies will have to have 1920x1080 copies on the disk as well, for backwards compatibility for people without Super Hi-Vision TVs yet.

But... we MIGHT see it earlier. I just think my argument has a decent level of merit. I hope it wasn't too confusing! :eek:

It's inevideible that Macs support Blu-ray. They are all about the "little" guy, they just have to make sure it makes business sense to the majority.

Whoo! More typing! Okay, Blu-ray isn't the "little guy". Blu-ray is the next majority. Blu-ray is the next tyrant. Blu-ray is the next DVD. Blu-ray will be the format for disks for YEARS to come, thanks to its continued expandability. Sure, we have 25 and 50GB disks now, but there are 400GB disks (read the above for more) in the works, as well as a 1TB version later on (for those longer Super Hi-Vision movies :D).
 
Of all the things to ask... I really don't know. Apple doesn't like the licensing and HDCP. While I haven't read too much into it, I don't see a change in the Blu-ray DRM policy any time soon. Perhaps it won't even happen until the 400GB Blu-ray disks are mainstream and we're watching Super Hi-Vision movies with them. Little segue here: Super Hi-Vision compressed to MPEG-2 is 600Mb/s. I don't want to get into all the conversions and size changes here, but this will be available as a release on Blu-ray disks FAR before the U.S. broadband network can manage something of this nature for downloads (much less STORAGE on a computer as Apple wishes!); heck, FIOS maxes out at only 50Mb/s right now! Now, when our televisions are 7680x4320 (Super Hi-Vision resolution), 1080p video downloads in iTunes will have just become available to everyone (available in terms of the affordability of broadband speeds fast enough to handle such a download in a reasonable amount of time, in addition to having computers with the storage to hold said videos in iTunes... We'll have seen the demise of the 20" iMac by then, because it would be bad marketing in Apple's eyes to make a screen below 1920x1200 resolution). But, as I said, the availability of 1080p for download on the fly (hard to imagine now) will be made somewhat insignificant by the onset of 7680x4320 movies on disks and such a download would take over 10x the time needed to go to Wal-Mart and buy a 400GB Blu-ray disk with said resolution movie on it.

So, in a roundabout way of saying it, when Super Hi-Vision is the new standard for video resolution, that is when we will see Blu-ray in Macs, because nationwide broadband will NOT be able to catch up in time barring the discovery of a true room temperature superconductor. And not the one they have right now. That thing just barely hits what scientists call "room temperature" (room temperature to them is "above the liquefaction point of nitrogen" so that the material–a ceramic, in this case–can be cooled to the point of superconductivity very cheaply).

Wait... where was I going? Okay, Super Hi-Vision... 400GB Blu-ray disks... a room-temperature superconductor for nationwide broadband infrastructure... oh, yeah.

We'll see Blu-ray in Macs around 2015. :D This date is based on the first adoption of Super Hi-Vision as a broadcast format (Japan in 2012 for TV), a cheapening of those 400GB Blu-ray disks (because of mass production), and TV manufacturers' greed toward the American people, because once we ALL have HDTVs, they'll break out the "Oh, 1080p sucks! Here! Look at 4320p!" argument and we'll start to see that resolution of TV come out. Of course, the first 7680x4320 Blu-ray movies will have to have 1920x1080 copies on the disk as well, for backwards compatibility for people without Super Hi-Vision TVs yet.

But... we MIGHT see it earlier. I just think my argument has a decent level of merit. I hope it wasn't too confusing! :eek:



Whoo! More typing! Okay, Blu-ray isn't the "little guy". Blu-ray is the next majority. Blu-ray is the next tyrant. Blu-ray is the next DVD. Blu-ray will be the format for disks for YEARS to come, thanks to its continued expandability. Sure, we have 25 and 50GB disks now, but there are 400GB disks (read the above for more) in the works, as well as a 1TB version later on (for those longer Super Hi-Vision movies :D).

Gosh, that was a interesting read. I pretty much was able to follow along (not bad for a 13 year old, eh) and I see how Blu-Ray is not mass marketed enough and how there is not a good enough standardfor it to virtually work right now. I completely see your point. Although, I thought Apple would include Blu-Ray just for viewing DVDs, not for iTunes Sale (MS has BR now but you can't download their movies from the zune store). Anyway, the way this sounds, by the time this was the norm it will be obsolete, something that is true for everything (TV: Antenne>Cable>Satillite, Internet: DSL>Broadband>Fios). Thanks for the fill in! :)
 
You won't see Blu-ray Video Disc support until Apple gets agreeable terms with the Studios for the baggage that goes with Blu-ray.
What, you mean like this baggage? The excuses sound lamer every time I hear them. Just admit it, Apple feels their online streaming venture threatened by physical media distribution and they'll do anything to stall that fate.
 
I think you've calculated that incorrectly. An HD movie is around 25 Mb/s, so a 25 Mb/s connection would download a 2-hour movie in 2 hours. 35 Mb/s would be a bit quicker, but certainly not 2-3 minutes.
 
What, you mean like this baggage?

Yes, that's part of it. But there's also what has to go into the OS.

The excuses sound lamer every time I hear them.

Most of us think so, too. Just stating the facts.

Just admit it, Apple feels their online streaming venture threatened by physical media distribution and they'll do anything to stall that fate.

I've already stated this many times. But apparently you're not interested in determining that before spouting off at the mouth.

Welcome to the forums, newb. :rolleyes:
 
I think you've calculated that incorrectly. An HD movie is around 25 Mb/s, so a 25 Mb/s connection would download a 2-hour movie in 2 hours. 35 Mb/s would be a bit quicker, but certainly not 2-3 minutes.

yea i agree, it sounds like he is calculating at mB/s, pretty sure no country has that speed :p

(somewhere probably does, if they do im VERY jealous).
 
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