BMW to Support New 'iPod Out' Feature in iOS 4

[defyingtech]

This is nothing new, Alpine has done this for years

My alpine head unit did this 3 years ago. This is no new technology and it wont sell more BMW's. You can put this in any car you want.

http://alpine-usa.com/product/view/ida-x305s

or

http://alpine-usa.com/product/view/ixa-w407


Last I would like to say that ford sync blows, it reminds me of every other concept that microsoft has innovated, oh wait they don't innovate, they just imitate. Everybody also needs to jump off the streaming bluetooth music wagon too. Bluetooth is an extremely low quality way to listen to music.

 

[jviphone]

They are showing the testing of this with the current idrive system I see no reason why they can't do a softwAre update to implement this as it requires no hardware differences it's even using the same iPod connector

 

[Eduardo1971]

Really? What did you keep doing to it?

I think many others, including myself, would argue otherwise.

On topic - Will be interesting to see how this goes. Too bad my '04 e46 can't do this. Guess I'll just have to live with my dice unit.

Yup I have to agree with you. I have a 2004 ZHP with almost 86,000 miles and I have no major problems to report. Jeez some of these replies are full of generalisations.

 

[jfanning]

Last I would like to say that ford sync blows, it reminds me of every other concept that microsoft has innovated, oh wait they don't innovate, they just imitate. Everybody also needs to jump off the streaming bluetooth music wagon too. Bluetooth is an extremely low quality way to listen to music.

Thats right, because Apple has invented everything they sell, haven't they!?!!

And I think you will find that A2DP is more than capable to support the audio formats that people are using on the iPods etc, so you statement doesn't have too much merit in this case.

 

[portishead]

Thanks for changing my name in the quote to "full of loss" and making it into a personal attack. Very mature of you.

Aww somebody can't handle a jab. How cute. Just because you think you're clever enough to recognize some MKII footage... well, you didn't. And you're not. I suggest seeing if your high school offers an intro to photography class.

 

[askywalker]

I dont like BMW...its big kid car's. Plus Merc's Command system can display video from iPhone/iPod even when you drive ....you need forbidden code tho

I just got a 2010 mercedes with the iPhone/media kit and nav system. I was told that I couldn't watch the video output from the iPhone. Is the code something that is hard to use? Have to get a dealer to do it?

This BMW video looks nice - I do really like good iPod integration. I prefer touchscreen though. I have 3 iPhones, an iPad and a couple of iPods kicking around - amazing how fast these buttons have become so old feeling. Maps on my iPhone and iPad are SOOO much better than this brand new nav system.

 

[tyywebb]

...

Ford/GM = Microsoft

BMW = Apple

Making fun of BMW owners for paying too much for their car = making fun of Apple owners for paying too much for their computer.

Look into your heart. You know it to be true.

 

[Full of Win]

Aww somebody can't handle a jab. How cute. Just because you think you're clever enough to recognize some MKII footage... well, you didn't. And you're not. I suggest seeing if your high school offers an intro to photography class.

I still think the footage looks like it came from a 5D Mark II. The DOF and the fact that BMW commercials have been shot on the camera in the last few months are what I'm going on.

I find it interesting that you do not offer evidence for your assertion that...

Besides, DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens.

I will not attack you, because I think your own quote does that for me. Why rub salt into the wound? Anyone who knows photography can tell you that camera/sensor size does play a large role in Depth of Field (DOF).

We can go over the DOF numbers for different sensors if you like. Sure, lets do that. So, lets say we have a 35 mm sensor on the Canon 5D mk II and a 1.6 crop sensor on a Canon 7D. Lets us also say we have a 50mm f/1.4 lens on both of these, set to an F-stop of 1.4 and are photographing a subject* that is 10 feet away. What is the total depth of field of these cameras, where only the sensor size varies? (*Note: subject is what photographers call what they are taking a picture of)

The following are the DOF from the respective systems.
- Full Frame Sensor: 1.02 ft
- Crop Sensor: 0.65 ft

Now, let us reduce the aperture to 2.0 and see the depth of field.
- Full Frame Sensor: 1.45 ft
- Crop Sensor: 0.91 ft

Well, looks like the sensor size made a big difference to me. Looks to me that the camera/sensor size AND the lens are important in DOF. Sorry this disagrees with your idea that "DOF has little to do with the camera". We could contine this on and on, but why? I will promce you that it will be the same story, over and over. Perhaps my facts will help you improve in your photography, I hope so. Sorry that your idea that "DOF has little to do with the camera" is wrong, but we cannot change basic optical laws now can we.

Regards; Full of Win.

 

[portishead]

I still think the footage looks like it came from a 5D Mark II. The DOF and the fact that BMW commercials have been shot on the camera in the last few months are what I'm going on.

I didn't say it wasn't from a MKII, just that you can't tell from the video if it is. How can I give evidence without knowing who shot the video? It could be from any number of cameras.

I will not attack you, because I think your own quote does that for me. Why rub salt into the wound. Anyone who knows photography can tell you that camera/sensor size does play a large role in Depth of Field (DOF).

You're missing the point. My reply was from your line "Few cameras have the DOF seen in the video." I'm not talking about photography in general and sensor size not mattering to dof. I'm specifically talking about your ridiculous statement.

There was no dof in that video. It was 99% flat. In the one shot that did, you can't say sensor size had anything to do with it. I could reproduce that shot with a mini dv camcorder with a long lens and some good lighting.

And don't end your post with your signature, it makes you look like a douchebag. Probably a little late for that though.

 

[NightFox]

My alpine head unit did this 3 years ago. This is no new technology and it wont sell more BMW's. You can put this in any car you want.

http://alpine-usa.com/product/view/ida-x305s

or

http://alpine-usa.com/product/view/ixa-w407


...

Huh? That's just Alpine's UI controlling the iPod just like nearly every other manufacturer offers. The BMW one actually pulls the UI from the iPod and uses that, so what you would normally get on your iPod screen to control the music you would get on your BMW's touch screen, so presumably flick scrolling, coverflow etc.

And maybe even if you roll the car the image might rotate on the screen.

 

[portishead]

Now, let us reduce the aperture to 2.0 and see the depth of field.
- Full Frame Sensor: 1.45 ft
- Crop Sensor: 0.91 ft

This is dumb. I could setup the same shot 2 different ways and you'd never know which camera(sensor) I used. Besides, the aperture depends on how fast your LENS is.

 

[Full of Win]

Interesting, you just said the following.

I'm not talking about photography in general and sensor size not mattering to dof.

But before you said

Besides, DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens.

The statements are counter to one another. You cannot have it both ways.

Also, you say that your are "not talking about photography in general". So, would not the same DOF be seen in a video as well as still photography if all other factors (focal length, aperture ect) were equal? Does making a video somehow change basic DOF rules?

And don't end your post with your signature, it makes you look like a douchebag. Probably a little late for that though.

Funny, I'd rather look like a douchebag who has competency in a field than to look like someone who shows how little they know of basic photographic principles by claiming that "DOF has little to do with the camera" (your words, not mine). I don't know what else to say, I've even gone as far as to give examples that show the incorrectness of your statement that "DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens." If you want to explain your notion that "DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens." I'd be glad to listen. I still say that BOTH the camera type AND the lens can play a major role in DOF, both in photography and videography. I'm sorry you don't think this.

 

[TheIntruder]

Color me somewhat unamused? I was expecting a direct port of the iTouch experience, not a iPod classic looking interface. Doesn't look or seem to be so revolutionary. I would like to see Lexus do this with a their touch screen units.

I love my touch, but purely as a music player, the controls on my 1G iPod stomp all over the ones on the touch.

If BMW, which uses a rotary controller for their telematics system, emulates the classic scheme, then all the better.

Obviously, the touchscreen-based systems will have to use another method.

 

[portishead]

Interesting, you just said the following.

You just sound like a MkII fanboi. "OMFG this camera is the best, look at that footage. DOF = awesome!" It's just a tool. I'm sure you're pretty familiar with tools. Sensor size only matters if you're talking in terms of iphone vs red one. GH1, or MkII or Scarlet, or F900 you're going to be able to pull of shallow dof. Nobody is shooting corporate videos on their iphones yet. Please don't link to that horrible train video. Maybe you don't have a high opinion of the MkII because the cinematography was mediocre and obviously not created to show off the quality of any camera.

 

[Full of Win]

This is dumb. I could setup the same shot 2 different ways and you'd never know which camera(sensor) I used. Besides, the aperture depends on how fast your LENS is.

Originally Posted by Full of Win
Now, let us reduce the aperture to 2.0 and see the depth of field.
- Full Frame Sensor: 1.45 ft
- Crop Sensor: 0.91 ft

What about this is "dumb". I'm sorry it shows that sensor size can play a major role in DOF, counter to your notion that "DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens."

Can you alter the lenses? Yep, you sure can. 100% agree. That is why I've been saying that camera type AND lens can play a role in Depth of Field, whereas you seem stuck on the notion that...

DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens.

Oh, and thanks for calling me Full of Win. Its good to be civil.

You just sound like a MkII fanboi "OMFG this camera is the best, look at that footage. DOF = awesome!"

Where did I praise the Canon 5D mark II? Post number in this thread please.

It's just a tool. I'm sure you're pretty familiar with tools. Sensor size only matters if you're talking in terms of iphone vs red one. GH1, or MkII or Scarlet, or F900 you're going to be able to pull of shallow dof. Nobody is shooting corporate videos on their iphones yet. Please don't link to that horrible train video. Maybe you don't have a high opinion of the MkII because the cinematography was mediocre and obviously not created to show off the quality of any camera.

Yes, it is a tool. If you think "DOF has little to do with the camera, it's mostly about the lens." I highly suggest some remedial training. I still hold that LENS and CAMERA type are important for making the Depth of Field. As to the last part, I have no idea how any of that factored into my postings.

 

[portishead]

Oh, and thanks for calling me Full of Win. Its good to be civil.

It was only because I is tired. It won't happen again.

 

[andy721]

Audi

BMW's interior design looks so cheap, I'd prefer an Audi any day, unless the BMW is a cocaine white M5 or a coupe m6 (not convertible)

 

[Full of Win]

It was only because I is tired. It won't happen again.

Classy.

 

[soph]

And maybe even if you roll the car the image might rotate on the screen.

 

[crackbookpro]

This is sick! I really think there is more of a market here than people think. It's only the beginning for the customized use of devices in cars...

Still pretty badarse!

 

[defyingtech]

Quality not File support

Thats right, because Apple has invented everything they sell, haven't they!?!!

And I think you will find that A2DP is more than capable to support the audio formats that people are using on the iPods etc, so you statement doesn't have too much merit in this case.

Did I say anything about apple and inventing?

A2DP only supports 16bit audio, and other applications like a direct usb connection on the alpine hu supports 24bit audio. Just to clarify my statement again, A2DP has quality issues not file support issues.

 

[defyingtech]

Apple's UI

Huh? That's just Alpine's UI controlling the iPod just like nearly every other manufacturer offers. The BMW one actually pulls the UI from the iPod and uses that, so what you would normally get on your iPod screen to control the music you would get on your BMW's touch screen, so presumably flick scrolling, coverflow etc.

And maybe even if you roll the car the image might rotate on the screen.

So im guessing you didnt watch the bmw video. There is nothing in that UI that looks like my iOS UI, there is no coverflow, just support for album artwork, and definitely no flicking of any kind. It looks exactly like the UI on alpine's HU. On the touchscreen alpine deck it supports flicking motions and all of them support album artwork. Another plus is the alpine HU supports pandora control and video from ipods.

 

[badpenguin]

You must have simply skim the article...

It's the multimedia screen, not the simple iPod integration, which has been available for years.

While the graphical interface on the BMW screen is nice, and the "iDrive" control stick is nice, it is not new, and it is not the first car to use it.

You plug an iPhone/iPod into my car's usb port (equinox) and control it henceforth from the main stereo controls, including genius playlists. Unlike the BMW version, you don't have to unlock my device after plugging it in, it just works. You search through playlists, albums, artists, podcasts, etc, just like you would on the device itself, only not the nice gui or fancy joystick.

 

[goodwilldrums]

I've had this idea for a while...

But they're doing it wrong. It needs to function like an AppleTV as far as syncing and storing goes. So when you are parked in your garage at night, if you make any changes to your iTunes library, it automatically updates via Wi-Fi.

This also should be a touch-screen that fills the entire space of your current system (like 7x4 or something) and should include everything your phone has, not just the iPod settings. Features including maps, weather, radio, etc.


anyone else with me??

 

[defyingtech]

I've had this idea for a while...

But they're doing it wrong. It needs to function like an AppleTV as far as syncing and storing goes. So when you are parked in your garage at night, if you make any changes to your iTunes library, it automatically updates via Wi-Fi.

This also should be a touch-screen that fills the entire space of your current system (like 7x4 or something) and should include everything your phone has, not just the iPod settings. Features including maps, weather, radio, etc.


anyone else with me??

absolutely agreed. It will come soon. Streaming over wifi would also be a much better solution over streaming bluetooth.