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X86? contrary to hardware business?

nrd said:
Apple is a hardware company. It's not going to up and adopt the x86 architecture any time soon.
I am not so sure. What would happen if Apple ported OSX to x86? Surely, there would be an increase in software sales and in OS market share. Would that destroy Apples hardware business? They could position the hardware as just the best damn hardware around (which is a good argument) and optimized for the best damn OS around (for consumers). They already take this position. Also, it would be a huge media event, and it would make initial "switching" very easy. Wouldn't that actually increase Apples hardware market position as well as compel more third party software? Many small businesses would love to reduce their windows support costs.
 
bretm said:
Look for them to be more of a software company in the future, porting over iMove, FCP, etc. to windows

Like Logic and Shake for Windows after Apple bought them? 😛
 
perhaps apple is making printers again, like the old days! Buy the printer, get it home, plug it in, no drivers to install, bonjour finds it automatically whether you're a mac or winsuckdows user. equals huge hardware sells. puts hp printers out of business.... ok...not going to happen. just a thought.
 
SPUY767 said:
It's been years since I lived in france, my french is a tad rusty, but it has a negative connotation, such as an appointment with a prostitute.

that's negative???
 
hbwill said:
nrd said:
Apple is a hardware company. It's not going to up and adopt the x86 architecture any time soon.
I am not so sure. What would happen if Apple ported OSX to x86? Surely, there would be an increase in software sales and in OS market share. Would that destroy Apples hardware business? They could position the hardware as just the best damn hardware around (which is a good argument) and optimized for the best damn OS around (for consumers). They already take this position. Also, it would be a huge media event, and it would make initial "switching" very easy. Wouldn't that actually increase Apples hardware market position as well as compel more third party software? Many small businesses would love to reduce their windows support costs.

interesting point....wrong thread maybe?
 
Well, I have been running Tiger for 3 hours now without a single hitch.

Seriously though, I have to admit that things doo seem to be running more smoothly.

In 10.3.9 Safari seemed to hang up very often along with mail.app but so far there doesn't seem to be the same problem in 10.4
 
For all of you "Apple should port OS X to the x86" search for it. Its been done, and it won't happen. Ever.

So please stop saying "OOoohhh, what if...." because it won't happen. And I don't want to drag up each and every single point here, again.
 
Mechcozmo said:
For all of you "Apple should port OS X to the x86" search for it. Its been done, and it won't happen. Ever.

So please stop saying "OOoohhh, what if...." because it won't happen. And I don't want to drag up each and every single point here, again.


The question is not:

"Should OS X should run on x86?";

rather:

"Should Apple Applications run on WIndows?".

...reminds one of:

"Sex is not the answer!".

"Sex is the question!"

...the answer is "Yes!"
 
tdewey said:
Must. Change. Name! Now! Rendezvous much better, Bonjour is well--kinda dumb, IMHO.
Yeah, why did they have to change it again? I really hate the new name!!
 
narco said:
Maybe then I will know someone who will have a webcam.

Fishes,
narco.

I have a DV camera that can work as a web-cam. Now you know one with the web-cam! 😀
 
First. . .

You just call it Z-Net. Second, anyone who suggests that apple will port any apps other than iTunes to windows is on the pipe. Innovative software solutions drive a LOT of high end sales.
 
SiliconAddict said:
The only way Apple would be able to compete with Trillian is to make it FREE on Windows since Trillian is not.

Have you used Trillian? I've played around with iChat. Its a good chat client if all you want is AIM with next to no additional features.


I'd suggest checking out Trillian 3's features I have v2.13

My Trillian Pro install currently has AIM/ICQ/Yahoo/MSN/IRC up and running. I have an iChat skin on it that was good enough to fool a life long Mac user into thinking that Apple release iChat for Windows. The application supports all kinds of plugins. My favorite being IM forwarder.

but the interface and configuration for trillian was made by a monkey with a poop hammer. what idiot built that thing? Yes, it works great for multiple chat programs but is has the worst POS UI I've ever come across. Ick. In comparison, iChat is pretty much a zero config setup. Even Gaim on windows is easy to use compared to T.

Bonjour is the first step, there is a lot going on this year with Apple.
 
I can't get this (Bonjour for Windows) to install on XP Pro - the installer says it's "interrupted" - any clues from those who know more about windoze than me? (i.e. the rest of the world!)

I think I've stopped all the various anti "stuff" I've got loaded into it - firewall and adware and registry guard type thingys - and I have all the latest updates so no idea what can be interrupting it and there's nothing on google or apple discussions to help...
 
poundsmack said:
why not just call it "Zero Config" 😀

as we're on the names bandwagon....again...

zero config....could be shortened to 0C or zc.....
rendezvous was shortened to rv...was it not
and bonjour......bj? 😀

i dont think apple thought ahead with this one 😛

"we can't use rendezvous, so i want you all to think of the first other french word that pops into your head"
"why do we have to use a french name"
"just DO IT."
*-2 seconds later-*
"bonjour?"
"bonjour? agreed. meeting adjourned."
 
nrd said:
Will never happen. If they port anything, it'll be the pro applications and even then that's not likely. Apple is a hardware company. It's not going to up and adopt the x86 architecture any time soon.
I also doubt Apple is about to release iMovie or iDVD for Windows.

Bonjour is a great way of having Macs and Windows machines network more efficiently. Printers should have the biggest advantage (I'm downloading now!).

As for "Apple is a hardware company" - that's a different thing. If Apple was simply a hardware company then they could sell Apple hardware running Windows. Apple is a hardware and software company, and there are many ways for Apple to find it's place in our computing world.

I would not be surprised to see iPhoto (exclusively for iPod owners?) or iChat+iSight sold for Windows - no more than that though.
 
kainjow said:
Apple will never port over a Mac app that was made with Cocoa, that's just about every program, including Safari, Mail and iChat.
Not sure why you say that. What makes Cocoa harder to port than Carbon? (especially since WebObjects runs on a subset of Cocoa on Windows).

Thanks.
 
GregA said:
If Apple was simply a hardware company then they could sell Apple hardware running Windows.

find me the version of windows that runs nativly on apple hardware and I will buy it 😀 and if they tried to enter into the ubber congested x86 sellers market....well they would not make a tenth of what thye make now
 
poundsmack said:
find me the version of windows that runs nativly on apple hardware and I will buy it 😀 and if they tried to enter into the ubber congested x86 sellers market....well they would not make a tenth of what thye make now
Are you saying that current Apple hardware running Windows XP would make money, but that Apple hardware with an AMD chip running Windows XP would get them less than a tenth of what they make now?

I prefer the PowerPC, but I don't think your logic holds.

Windows NT was available for PowerPC a few years back, and MS has a development platform running on Apple hardware now. if Apple asked MS to take over OS development on Apple hardware it'd happen pretty fast.

I hope that never happens - my whole point is that Apple is not just a hardware company, it is also a software company. They make heaps of money from their software, it's just that it's hidden as a bundle with the hardware.
 
i miss understood. i didnt think you were reffering to apple suporting ofther processors. i thought u were jsut talking about there current offerings, my mistake. but i still think current windows users will stick to dell, hp, compaq, gateway, etc...... since that is hat they are used to. most windows users I know think the mac and apple are inferior (since microsoft has led them like sheep) so to an extent it would be an awfully though sell. though SUN has been selling operon based machines for a while and doing quite well with it......but i dont think apple would have quite the same luck. but personaly i hope they never go that route.
 
As it is with a typical Windows experience, I downloaded Bonjour to test and gave up after too much time mucking around. I have a Sony Vaio all-in-one besides the Macs, with an HP laser printer that is "aware" of zero-config. Of COURSE the printer was never seen. To be thourough, I downloaded the drivers twice, the first time the files were corrupt. Then, after Bonjour wouldn't work, I downloaded the HP utility for network printers, THAT couldn't see it either. Hmm.. it HAS an IP number. The Mac? One click and I'm printing, as usual. To be sure I started up the OS9 version of the HP utility on the Mac. Sure enough, there it is. So I fired up a browser on the PC and entered the IP to check the configuration (Not supported on the Mac!). Oops. java error. Oops, java error. Oops, says not connected. I loaded! AHA! IPX was off! Turned it on. Bojour didn't work, but the HP utility did.
Set it up to print. Done. Total time on Mac: <1 minute. Total time on PC: about an hour. I've wasted enough time on it to go try to figure out why Bonjour doesn't work on the PC. Bah.
 
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