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I know he was speculating and I know there's no proof of such (or even of the possibility of it happening) but I'm definitely not misunderstanding. And I don't want to live in a world where people think like he suggests.

It appeared as though you thought a truck driver missed out on a liver because of Steve. Maybe I misunderstood you.
 
Does anyone remember Jobs actually manipulating the donor system so he could get his liver transplant?

No, nobody remembers that, because it didn't happen. There have been baseless accusations and assertions to that effect, but that's different than it actually happening.

He got a liver because it was a match and he was able to get to it fast enough. If he weren't, the next person on that list who was a match and could get to a close-enough hospital would have gotten it. That's how the organ-donor system works.

If you want to claim otherwise, you should produce *proof*, otherwise you're just smearing the integrity of every person involved in the process, from the donor to the surgical crew, to the guy who carried the liver in a cooler from one place to the next.
 
Again, you don't know that. Speculation.

I definitely don't have the financial resources at my disposal to exhaust all options. I'd likely be dead right now. If I did, I would have likely used them and I'm betting that you would to.

Manipulating the system with financial clout would be wrong. No question. This whole topic was under the microscope years ago and nothing came of it.

You can't fault someone for fighting for their life can you?

First, it wasn't speculation. He was in CA, and as soon as he "qualified" for a liver somewhere else (In this case I thought it was Tennesee), he hopped on his private jet and immediately flew there to get the operation. No one else has the ability to do this. He manipulated the system, and I DO blame him for that. It's atrocious to think that he has any kind of thought for his fellow human beings when he does something so dastardly as that.

Imagine the poor person thinking they've got a liver, and then because some rich ******* has a jet he can take it from you. Shame.
 
The amount of garbage that people have put in these pages is unbelievable,
Jobs this, Jobs the other, Jobs invented this the other etc etc etc.

He has a fantastic company producing great and innovative products, but mates, get a grip on yourselves.

He's no God, evidently & sadly enough.

He can do whatever he wants with his money, and he doesn't look like the person that would announce it if he did donate.

What Gates and Buffet done back then was more than commendable by any standards and people should respect that. They did a lot more than Bono for sure.... As someone before commended, all his fund raising efforts produced dubious results to say the least...
 
First, it wasn't speculation. He was in CA, and as soon as he "qualified" for a liver somewhere else (In this case I thought it was Tennesee), he hopped on his private jet and immediately flew there to get the operation. No one else has the ability to do this. He manipulated the system, and I DO blame him for that. It's atrocious to think that he has any kind of thought for his fellow human beings when he does something so dastardly as that.

Imagine the poor person thinking they've got a liver, and then because some rich ******* has a jet he can take it from you. Shame.

How do you know it's true?
 
No, nobody remembers that, because it didn't happen. There have been baseless accusations and assertions to that effect, but that's different than it actually happening.

He got a liver because it was a match and he was able to get to it fast enough. If he weren't, the next person on that list who was a match and could get to a close-enough hospital would have gotten it. That's how the organ-donor system works.

If you want to claim otherwise, you should produce *proof*, otherwise you're just smearing the integrity of every person involved in the process, from the donor to the surgical crew, to the guy who carried the liver in a cooler from one place to the next.

You can twist it how you want - the FACT is that because he had a jet (do you have one?) he could get the transplant. Abuse of the system, regardless of the rules.
 
When the money is yours and you earned it.. you can do what ever you want with it. Everybody should give half of their bank account to charity before pointing out fingers, not that easy is it!? Most of the people on here complaining probably don't even give a dollar to a beggar on the street. Everybody should do their part before complaining or pointing out fingers. I do agree that Apple should give more then 50% of their gross profit from Red to charity.. and yes I do give to beggars on the street.


Haha....everyone should give 50% before pointing fingers? I get it, everyone has financial challenges. But you'll have to explain how it would be just as difficult for Jobs to donate 50% as it would for me. In my case, it would mean that my kids might not go to college and I might have to work an extra 10 years or longer into retirement. So what does it mean for Jobs? He'd still have over $4B in the bank.
 
First, it wasn't speculation. He was in CA, and as soon as he "qualified" for a liver somewhere else (In this case I thought it was Tennesee), he hopped on his private jet and immediately flew there to get the operation. No one else has the ability to do this. He manipulated the system, and I DO blame him for that. It's atrocious to think that he has any kind of thought for his fellow human beings when he does something so dastardly as that.

Imagine the poor person thinking they've got a liver, and then because some rich ******* has a jet he can take it from you. Shame.

How do you know there was another perfect match on that liver and Steve somehow deprived someone who was a perfect match of that liver ? wouldn't bother me if he had tbh but we don't know that is the case
 
Don't you ever get tired of being duped?

The guy takes $1 salary because he makes millions in stock and other gifts. I'm tired of people looking at that and going "Oh he's such a good CEO!"

Do you really think he's living in a van down by the river and working for Apple for nothing? Wake up.

Holy crap, holster your guns. I'm not being duped. I realize the guy gets compensated by way of stock and the jet itself.

The guy was never proven to have done anything wrong here. He was simply fighting for his life, just as anyone would.

And yes, he is a good CEO.
 
I live in Texas. Dead center of the bible belt and have never met anyone who believes what you say.

So your an ataku hiding in your basement because I was down in Texas. Plano, Huston and Austin for 4 years and from time to time I ran into people who thought the world was about 6000 or so years with some telling me dinosaurs are the devil's work.

I even got plenty of practice talking to those that would not immunize their kids. That said it just depend what kind of people are around you and whether anyone you know even actually goes to church or mega church thing. High school or college is not where you will find these people.

I am sure if you diversify your self you will find them of plenty.:D
 
That's the most moronic statement spoken today. Providing employment for many thousands of people is not caring about people? Pardon me, but your stupidity amazes me.

It's not employment when you make sure these same people share only YOUR vision and do what you say. It's called a cult. And do you think he pays them for it? No. He, and Google, and Microsoft, and other companies, had signed pacts to prevent fair competition in the workplace to prevent poaching, thus freezing the wages. He doesn't care about anyone but himself.

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Holy crap, holster your guns. I'm not being duped. I realize the guy gets compensated by way of stock and the jet itself.

The guy was never proven to have done anything wrong here. He was simply fighting for his life, just as anyone would.

And yes, he is a good CEO.

Except that he wasn't doing it as anyone would. He used the advantages of having money to abuse the system.

Just because the system never thought that could happen doesn't mean he's any less wrong for doing it.
 
So what? The way he acts in public and how he treats some of his employees just show what kind of person he is.

He has no respect for anyone but himself. Period. He thinks he's a God, and has duped millions into believing the same thing. CULT.

Not his problem. He does business the way he does business, and it has gotten his company tremendous results and benefitted the industry in ways not thought possible. That's kinda the major goal - the point to what he did every day. Quite frankly, it's a crying shame there aren't other CEOs like him. As for how he was personally, hey, personalities are as many and varied as there are stars in the sky.

I'm not really going to slag on Monet or Mozart because they might have been ******s or they weren't fun to drink with. That isn't really the point.

The only point worth making is Jobs made the kind of contribution most people can only dream of making, and what's more, is he did a lot of it while battling cancer.

The rest isn't really important.
 
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How do you know there was another perfect match on that liver and Steve somehow deprived someone who was a perfect match of that liver ? wouldn't bother me if he had tbh but we don't know that is the case

And that is why today's society sucks. Not sure how DNA became so mutated as to allow such thinking.
 
You can twist it how you want - the FACT is that because he had a jet (do you have one?) he could get the transplant. Abuse of the system, regardless of the rules.

Because he had a jet, he didn't have to stay close to the hospital. If the rules are "you can get a transplant if you can get to the hospital within two hours" then there are different ways to achieve that.


He has no respect for anyone but himself. Period. He thinks he's a God, and has duped millions into believing the same thing. CULT.

That is just pathetic.
 
Holy crap, holster your guns. I'm not being duped. I realize the guy gets compensated by way of stock and the jet itself.

The guy was never proven to have done anything wrong here. He was simply fighting for his life, just as anyone would.

And yes, he is a good CEO.

Well said, in the end no one need to help anyone else. If Jobs does not want to give anything to anyone that fine also. Its his money deal with it people. When you have billions give it all away if you want. :eek:
 
Are you implying they did it for the money? Good will is more important than *either* products or money, but that has exactly *nothing* to do with whether or not products are more important than money when it comes to benefiting mankind.

I didn't imply that at all. Not one bit.
 
Its our opinion and we can do what ever we want. Deal with it. :rolleyes:

Not given it away to the poor and destitute is also an opinion which has more merit in the real world.

Anyway Bill Gates gives plenty away to make up for Jobs lack of it.:D Bill your the man with a plan.;)
 
I sure wouldn't want to eat anything Apple has made. I imagine it hurts just as much going in as it would coming back out.

Seriously though, did you just liken Apple, a commodity item, with food, a necessary item? Really? Seriously?:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, did I simplify the example *too much* for you? Ok, Let's say you have limited mobility (you're capable of moving your wrist and a finger with some difficulty) and because of that you have difficulty doing things as simple as *communicating* with other people. You have the option of someone giving you money, or an iPad. Which will help you more?

At best, with the money, you can buy a *product* to help you communicate. The iPad *is* one such product. Without the product, the money does you no good.

Therefore, as the original poster said, the product is more important than the money.


Oh, and for the record, food *is* a commodity. (The iPad, is, generally speaking, a *luxury item*, but in some cases can be every bit as necessary for enabling a person to live a productive, meaningful life.)
 
Aren't we all? Unless you live in China

Uh... Who owns most of the US. Debt? Who has had the fastest growing economy this past decade? Who does the world bow down to because they own most of the planet?
 
And that is why today's society sucks. Not sure how DNA became so mutated as to allow such thinking.

If I fell down with liver disease and needed a transplant I would do whatever it takes to get that liver, fly anywhere, shove anyone out of the way, anything, it is every man for himself out there when it is a matter of life or death and Steve acted no differently to what most people would have done.
 
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