Bought the Kaby Lake MBP day one, returned it day 14

[GtrDude]

-Touch Bar is a gimmick. It doesn't solve anything or make anything better,

In my opinion it's a real shame Apple doesn't make a 15" MBP without that silly touch bar.
Talk about trying to invent crap just to say you invented something and then force it on their users.
I would be the first to get a 15" MBP if they made one without a touch bar AND gave us 1.3 mm travel in the keyboard.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I would be the first to get a 15" MBP if they made one without a touch bar AND gave us 1.3 mm travel in the keyboard.

You and I would be fighting for the first spot in line with many many people...

 

[ghanwani]

I don't mean to crap on the new MBP, i just hope this helps others make a better decision for their future purchase.

What are you getting instead?
[doublepost=1498355485][/doublepost]^ kinda like wanting a 4" iPhone after the release of the 6.

Can't believe they actually gave us an SE.

 

[Macalway]

Touch bar is an idiotic idea. Sure, some people might use it, but to think I payed hundreds for it.

I absolutely do not like it. Warrants derision. But corporate denial will most likely keep it around to try to make people like it, with upgrades (along with price increases), more gimmicks, and maybe even extending it into their bluetooth models.

The long slog to antiquation.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Can't believe they actually gave us an SE.

I would LOVE to get a MacBook Pro "SE" that keeps a more legacy port oriented path, better keyboard situation, eschews worrying about the Touch Bar and just keeps bumping screen/internal specs and more slowly evolving along the classic lines and not "eliminating everything" as fast as possible..

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

I would LOVE to get a MacBook Pro "SE" that keeps a more legacy port oriented path, better keyboard situation, eschews worrying about the Touch Bar and just keeps bumping screen/internal specs and more slowly evolving along the classic lines and not "eliminating everything" as fast as possible..

Here you go http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-Late-2008-2GB-RAM-2-4GHz-250GB/332270035967, it's got legacy ExpressCard support so you should be set.

Alternatively they still sell the 2015 with slightly more modern 'legacy' ports, but that was criticised for only having 2 USB ports so you may want an adapter to plug in all the other USB devices you have.

Of course with USB-C you can have any port you want and not worry about legacy. But you may want a USB nail clipper to save your nails from all the worrying about the TouchBar.

Or did you want to go further back in time? Which MacBook do you think they should have stuck with and stopped developing the design with? Is it per-chance the one you currently have?

 

[turbineseaplane]

Alternatively they still sell the 2015 with slightly more modern 'legacy' ports

I have a 2015 15"...
You should know that as you asked me about it here 10 days ago:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macbook-pro-2016-keyboard-ergonomy.2023787/page-3#post-24698522

 

[aevan]

After a million posts here on Macrumors forums, we can agree that some people hate the TB, new keyboard and the lack of ports - therefore they hate the new MBPs, and that some people love the TB, new keyboard and USB C ports - therefore they love the new MBPs. Also, there are a bunch of people in between.

The way I see it, the 'against' crowd always presented their views as 'the universal truth' (TB is a gimmick, keyboard is crap) but in the end, they are entitled to their opinion. Everyone is.

Can we just give it a rest? I think everything that can be said about the ports, the Touch Bar, the keyboard, the GPUs, the weight - was said. Seriously, like, EVERYTHING was said.

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

After a million posts here on Macrumors forums, we can agree that some people hate the TB, new keyboard and the lack of ports - therefore they hate the new MBPs, and that some people love the TB, new keyboard and USB C ports - therefore they love the new MBPs. Also, there are a bunch of people in between.

The way I see it, the 'against' crowd always presented their views as 'the universal truth' (TB is a gimmick, keyboard is crap) but in the end, they are entitled to their opinion. Everyone is.

Can we just give it a rest? I think everything that can be said about the ports, the Touch Bar, the keyboard, the GPUs, the weight - was said. Seriously, like, EVERYTHING was said.

But it's the same few users in every other thread . Believe me, I think we all understand some people don't like them and it's absolutely fine. I just think no amount of telling people you don't like something is going to change the fact that you don't like it.

@aevan I promise I'm done, these circular conversations are growing seriously tedious.

 

[turbineseaplane]

...these circular conversations are growing seriously tedious.

Boy oh boy, no kidding..

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

Boy oh boy, no kidding..

 

[GtrDude]

But corporate denial will most likely keep it around to try to make people like it

Force people to like it is more likely and is the Apple way.
Wouldn't surprise me if coming up soon they started only making touch bar laptops, just to make sure we all loved it, because we're all so stupid and they know best.
Look what they did with the headphones on the iPhone. Still people stuck up for it.
Look at the keyboard on the new MBP's.
Invent something and force it on the people.
Apple's been doing it for years.

 

[BenTrovato]

It really doesn't matter how stupid and gimmicky touchbar is. People are still buying MBP's. If people didn't buy the product, then Apple would revise strategy. All you can do is buy the Apple stock and participate in the population's obsession with over priced (but pretty) hardware. Then you might stop complaining and be happy people are buying these machines.

 

[Queen6]

Boy oh boy, no kidding..

One can only hope...

Q-6

 

[turbineseaplane]

People are still buying MBP's

True, but what can really be inferred about the touchbar itself from that information? Many people are buying it in spite of the Touchbar.

I hate the bloody thing, but if I had to choose between Windows or a TB MBP?
I'd buy a TB MBP, all day, every day...

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But it's the same few users in every other thread

I just think no amount of telling people you don't like something is going to change the fact that you don't like it.

The irony here is thicker than a wedding cake..

 

[OneMike]

Touch bar is definitely a gimmick. An expensive gimmick at that.

 

[SteveJUAE]

If Apple wanted to make something gimmicky or cool depending on your view point they could of easily made a far more feature rich device by creating an external device not dissimilar to the external trackpad but with cool touch buttons etc and left the KB alone

Further more form a consistency point of view it would of made more sense as it could be used with any Mac

That's why the MS Dial is a better concept you can freely choose to ignore it if it brings nothing to your workflow and/or enjoyment

 

[Ndalby]

I would be the first to get a 15" MBP if they made one without a touch bar AND gave us 1.3 mm travel in the keyboard.

Recently returned my 13" 2017 so I can make a jump to the 15" for the quadcore processors (the 13" held well for dualcores but it was certainly getting pushed). Got no issues with the keyboard from my few days use of the 13" but the touchbar on the 15", god knows why they didn't give the option of a base 15" without touchbar...

 

[macnmac]

well mine is officially going back, i dont think this machine is right for me... it def still runs extremely hot, the connectivity problems with dell monitors, having to spend more money for usb-c converters, worthless touchbar... just doesnt seem to make sense to me... im gonna wait for future models and hopefully they fix some of these things

 

[iPad Air]

I did play with the TB model at the Apple Store and I personally loved it because of its versatility. I know it's not for everyone. But it will be a big upgrade for me coming from a 5 year old Dell Inspiron.


I can't recall who did the video on USB c ports. But he yanked several times very hard on the cable at 90degree angle and there was no damage to the port. But the cable was ruined.

Yes the USB-C ports seem to be very durable. Observing closely will reveal the male contacts are nicely tucked into the chassis of the Mac, and it all fits tight together when plugged in...preventing stress on the contacts in the MacBook. Nicely done.
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I tell everyone looking to buy the new model to buy the non-Touch Bar. It has 90% of the performance for $300 less. Also, lets face it, the vast majority of buyers aren't going to be using 4 thunderbolt ports.

If you want a 15", there is a real problem. lol. Wait, if you want a 15", just go with the 2015 MBP that is still available. That has everything that people miss!!
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I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's experiences here, but I'd just like to throw my 2c in about the touchbar.

I find it really useful for running scripts for Photoshop and Illustrator, and sometimes other programs as well. It really streamlines my workflow for a surprising amount of tasks.

Its really is good to hear it is truly useful for some.

 

[JMacHack]

Its really is good to hear it is truly useful for some.

Yeah, but even then I had to do some finicking to make it work. It's not the "oh god how did I ever live without this!" moment I think Apple expected it to be. It's certainly neat, but it misses the mark on being revolutionary.

 

[fokmik]

Evey new generation apple is releasing something, the complaints are in but the products are bought
So this way we know that Apple is the same company
Im afraid when Apple will come with something that noone will complain about

 

[MrGuder]

If you want a 15", there is a real problem. lol. Wait, if you want a 15", just go with the 2015 MBP that is still available. That has everything that people miss!!.

The only problem with the 2015 model is (if you've compared it to the 2016/2017) once you have had it for a few weeks you will suddenly realize it is heavier, wider, longer, the colors not as vibrant, contrast display not as good, lots of light leakage from the keys, no Touch ID so typing in passwords constantly and worse battery life compared to current model. These things may not matter to some but the 2016/2017 creates a better user experience and they matter greatly to me.

 

[malikkamran]

why did not apple improve battery life

 

[fokmik]

why did not apple improve battery life

They did, i have a clasic mbp that last around 3-4 hours and brand new in 2011 it last me around 6 hours
I also had the2013 late mbp that last me no more then 7 hours, and now the 2017 last me 9h and if i put my brightness at around 60% (wich translate in 75% level of last gen) i get 10h and 15 min. Everything here is in light usage and 15" models
So from 6h to 10h in 3 generations is not a battery life increase?