Well, I can see that if your main experience of seeing gay people is two men going at it in a restroom then that could significantly color your thought process. The only gay people I know well right now are in long-term relationships, so that probably colors my view.
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Well, I can see that if your main experience of seeing gay people is two men going at it in a restroom then that could significantly color your thought process. The only gay people I know well right now are in long-term relationships, so that probably colors my view.
Actually, I edited the post Sayhey. Thanks for the concern though.
We can agree that the child is the victim. I baked a cookie for you so you can celebrate your ingenius comment that the kid is the victim!
We can agree that the child is the victim. I baked a cookie for you so you can celebrate your ingenius comment that the kid is the victim!
yeah, the reverse is true, i never even realize that the word "gay" could have a double-meaning like that... my great-uncle and his partner have been together for 15 years, my great aunt and her partner have been together for 20, i've been with my partner for 3 years (hey, i'm only 21), one of my best friends has been with her girlfriend for a couple of years now (note to self: find out their anniversary). so to me, 'gay' has always meant "people who form same-sex bonds identical to those shared by opposite-sex". i think that may be a big part of the problem with promiscuity in gays: lack of positive role models. i had several as a child, so when i finally came out, it was natural for me to want to start a family just like a heterosexual would... most gay people are just left to their own devices, shunned by their friends and family, with no societal expectation of the "traditional" life - marriage, possibly kids, house in the suburb...
dcb - are you stoned too?
pnw
dcb - are you stoned too?
pnw
No, not stoned. I am still waiting for that punchline though! Do you believe that Sayhey is accusing me of lying about editing my own post! I thought I was stoned when I read that, but it was just wishful thinking. Please tell him that I voluntarily edited that post about the child being the victim so I don't lose my temper!
I won't comment on the cookie or the ingenious quality or lack there of in my post. I'm glad we agree on the kid.
yes, he did edit the post voluntarily out of respect for the conversation, as did i.
things get heated in these conversations. this one has held up remarkably well. tazo and i got along... we're not all screaming... good.
but yeah, that kid was put in the middle of a hot situation, which unfortunately happens in these cases. he'll probably get a kick out of it when he's 16. fun story to tell his girlfriend... hopefully it won't be on his record tho...
pnw
things get heated in these conversations. this one has held up remarkably well. tazo and i got along... we're not all screaming... good.
but yeah, that kid was put in the middle of a hot situation, which unfortunately happens in these cases. he'll probably get a kick out of it when he's 16. fun story to tell his girlfriend... hopefully it won't be on his record tho...
pnw
Phew, I think we might be done, eh?
Someone ought to save this thread and give it to him when he turns 16!
Someone ought to save this thread and give it to him when he turns 16!
It's interesting to contrast the story in the Lafayette Daily Advertiser and the original story reported by AP, Yahoo, and the ACLU. For starters, the ACLU reports the boy's name, but the Advertiser withheld his name.
Here's what's even more interesting:
The ACLU reports these details:
And just what would the teacher have had the boy say when asked these simple questions by his classmate?
Here's what's even more interesting:
The ACLU reports these details:
But the Advertiser says
Why would Easton say this when the facts clearly seem otherwise?
And just what would the teacher have had the boy say when asked these simple questions by his classmate?
It was never my intention to accuse you of lying. If you read my inquiry into why your post was edited as that, then you have my apologies. Your post was edited right in the middle of a response to me and I didn't understand if that meant you had responded and edited that response out or just didn't want to respond to the rest of my post. I thought you had edited it, then upon reading another of your posts thought perhaps a mod had done it (happens sometimes). No crime in either.
Originally posted by paulwhannel
things get heated in these conversations. this one has held up remarkably well. tazo and i got along... we're not all screaming... good.
pnw
Break out the champale eh ol' pnw?
That is actually one of the most honestly introspective statements I have heard from someone who doesn't like homosexuality. Perhaps you should meet some happy gay couples and see if they are all that different from you. You'll probably find that you are much alike, wanting a home, a family, a career, kids, nice things, vacations, a committed relationship. You don't need to change your opinion on the matter, but perhaps it will expand your view of what the "gay lifestyle" is all about.
Just as not all hetrosexuals are represented by the promiscuous and exhibitionists among them, neither are the homosexuals.
Thanks for the honest responses. You have actually opened my mind to some of the reasons people oppose homosexuality so vehemently. I don't agree, but at least I begin to understand. The misconceptions must be dispelled.
Ok nevermind then, I guess I'll just tee off on your arguments now. I didn't have to be so nice you know.
I was just kidding mactastic...but you don't have to be nice to me if you don't want to...don't you think the tone of this thread got just a little too warm and fuzzy? Let's go back to arguing...maybe ecoli can edit another one of my posts and make me look evil.
No I don't actually. It's rare that we can have a peaceful discussion about homosexuality. Being able to see things from another point of view is a great outcome, and not only do i think you had an insight into the opposing view, but I had one myself. Having one of those is rare enough, but two? In one thread? I just thought that was pretty cool.
Discussions about whether homosexuality is a choice or inborn and whether homosexuals are perverts aside, here's the crux of the matter to me.
You have every right to believe as you do, as long as you hurt no one in doing so, and to raise your children according to your beliefs. So do I, and so does everyone else in this discussion, both gay and straight.
But you can't arrange the world to conform to your values. Try as you might to keep your children safe, to keep them away from the things you'd rather they not have to deal with, the world is out there, and sooner or later they'll have to meet it on their own. And the world will always come up with some circumstance that you'd rather it didn't, and that you can't control, for them to face. If you've done your job right, though, your children will meet these tests as a strong individual, with values that can't be torn down by the knowledge that some people choose to do things differently.
As long as we agree to settle the differences in our beliefs by democracy, you can't do much about the things you disagree with but vote; and going by the responses in this thread you may well be out-voted on this one. But wishing that gays would stay in their closet where you can't see them and your children won't know they exist isn't a solution.
Remember, God gave humanity, his children, the option of sin and the ability to choose, and did not shield us either from the choice, the knowledge, or the consequences. Was that a mistake? And would you do less for your own children?
But you have to assume that the AP and the ACLU are reporting the facts..
Easton is very good at weathering the storm. He has stood up against tougher groups than the ACLU. If he feels it is the right thing to do, he will fight it.
By the way, he is from Mississippi.
Edit: Today's headline... "Easton: No apology owed to student"
Originally posted by Stelliform
But you have to assume that the AP and the ACLU are reporting the facts..
Easton is very good at weathering the storm. He has stood up against tougher groups than the ACLU. If he feels it is the right thing to do, he will fight it.
By the way, he is from Mississippi.
Edit: Today's headline... "Easton: No apology owed to student"
Well, has he ever faced a tornado, hurricane and earthquake at the same time? From the article it doesn't look good for him.
This quote is so totally ignorant of what is occuring in society today that it seems more appropriate to Mississippi of the 30s or 40s. Why should a child not be able to explain his or her homelife? Many children live with their grandparents or have been adopted or with aunts and uncles, etc. To instill in children that their parent's relationships IF they do not fall into the norm, which most children's these days seem to, is not what education is about.
An article in the Washington Post includes this:
In other words, children should be punished for saying that their parents are heterosexual too. Not for using a particular word, like straight, but just for indicating which orientation their parents have. Thibodaux may be boxing himself into a smaller corner with this statement.
We have watched the local school system weather lawsuit after lawsuit. It is my opinion that he might not be apologizing because they figure the mom will sue anyway, and denying any wrongdoing will help in the future lawsuit.
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Yeah... um, could you get my name right?
Um yeah... thanks, that would be great.
But thats not so bad, you somehow have come to the conclusion that I am not worth your time, for that I say you have no honor.
"When Debating never tell a person they aren't worth arguing with, because you might find out you are missing a chance to learn. "
I would watch out if a mod is editing your posts... I mean that means *there is something wrong with your post*... but if you did it yourself there is nothing to worry about.
Don't.
Just beacuse you frikken talk to a person who is gay wouldn't destroy you.
Come on, be a man, you can be nice to people who are homosexual...
Please... how about you answer my points this time?
--MrMacMan
Yeah... um, could you get my name right?
Um yeah... thanks, that would be great.
Agreeded that it is wrong. Agreeded that no one should do it.
Wow, I'm very... annoyied that you don't have the 'time' to back up your claim that gay people screw in parks...
But thats not so bad, you somehow have come to the conclusion that I am not worth your time, for that I say you have no honor.
"When Debating never tell a person they aren't worth arguing with, because you might find out you are missing a chance to learn. "
Alas, unlike you I had an argument. You may disagree but I can prove that you are wrong and will not tell you that 'I don't have time for you'.
You know... only *you* and a *moderator* can edit your posts.
I would watch out if a mod is editing your posts... I mean that means *there is something wrong with your post*... but if you did it yourself there is nothing to worry about.
Wow, don't be like that man.
Don't.
Just beacuse you frikken talk to a person who is gay wouldn't destroy you.
Come on, be a man, you can be nice to people who are homosexual...
Refer to what I said earlier, he is not a mod therefor cannot edit your posts.
Please... how about you answer my points this time?
--MrMacMan
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