edit: Sorry, I made the mistake of not fully reading this thread before posting. I'll amend this once more when I can make an argument that comes up to speed with the progression of the topic.
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Boy Punished for Talking About Gay Mom
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Macman,
Umm...if you were paying attention, I already addressed this issue...rememeber me saying even PNW agrees that there is a certain element of gays who "troll"? It's a fact, it is seen on the news and in newspapers all of the time...but, since you refuse to fully read posts and are quick to the trigger to write some enlightening response the errs in the light of redundency...I am not going to waste my time searching for these articles.
When debating, never readdress and redress points that have been talked about. You are missing out on a chance to LISTEN and PAY ATTENETION
This sorta goes back to the *paying attention* thing again. But, I didn't quite explain clearly enough....oh, and its because the comment wasn't for you. But since you bring it up, I will explain. You see ecoli thought it would be funny to quote me and edit my words to highlight I Hate gays. Not cool...not funny...and downright mean.
So, next time you want me to specifically answer your points...be sure you pay attention and read all of the posts. I don't have time to deal with people who can only focus on what they have to say and how there points are responded to. read all of the posts, then maybe you can be an active part of this discussion...then maybe I will take you seriously and take a little more time to reply to your posts/
Umm...if you were paying attention, I already addressed this issue...rememeber me saying even PNW agrees that there is a certain element of gays who "troll"? It's a fact, it is seen on the news and in newspapers all of the time...but, since you refuse to fully read posts and are quick to the trigger to write some enlightening response the errs in the light of redundency...I am not going to waste my time searching for these articles.
When debating, never readdress and redress points that have been talked about. You are missing out on a chance to LISTEN and PAY ATTENETION
This sorta goes back to the *paying attention* thing again. But, I didn't quite explain clearly enough....oh, and its because the comment wasn't for you. But since you bring it up, I will explain. You see ecoli thought it would be funny to quote me and edit my words to highlight I Hate gays. Not cool...not funny...and downright mean.
So, next time you want me to specifically answer your points...be sure you pay attention and read all of the posts. I don't have time to deal with people who can only focus on what they have to say and how there points are responded to. read all of the posts, then maybe you can be an active part of this discussion...then maybe I will take you seriously and take a little more time to reply to your posts/
going thru all your posts, right upto this one, i feel you leave very little lee-way for others to think you have a mature side at all.
you have come across as a very headstrong bigot, and that you are proud of it. and now you are trying your best to polish that perception to a bigot who is language-challenged, or thinks it would be great to deliberately give that impression.
No, gay isn't something you choose, or catch like a disease. But your kids may end up irrational homophobes if you don't do your job right.
Surely you see the broader possibilities. You teach your kids not to smoke knowing that at some point they will be offered a cigarette. You have done your job well if they refuse it. You teach your kids not to lie, cheat, steal, fight unnecessarily, and all those other things that make them who you want to be, but at some point you have to let go and have faith that your values have been instilled in them. Unless you want to go live in a compound somewhere in Idaho of course.
Just a thought here, but the "hetrosexual agenda" is way more in your face in our society than the "homosexual agenda". Yet you don't seem to care a bit about that. Or did you not know that the Gap is marketing thong underwear to little girls? You don't think Paris Hilton is on TV promoting the "gay lifestyle" do you? I don't know of any gay-teen magazines, but I do know of a few hetro-teen mags that would make you blush to read.
As the kid's mom makes more and more public appearances, more people feel that she is using her kid for her 15 minutes of fame. Most people in town feel very sorry for the kid, and people's annoyance with the mother's actions is increasing.
Easton and Huff appear on TV
Easton and Huff appear on TV
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Other parents sympathize with gay mothers plight
i am pleasantly surprised to note that in that poll of 1000, 83% said the district should apologize. darn good, i say.
Other parents sympathize with gay mothers plight
i am pleasantly surprised to note that in that poll of 1000, 83% said the district should apologize. darn good, i say.
I disagree with you therefore I am immature? Now that is really mature! I'll accept the headstrong biggot statement if that is what you want to think/ say.
If you don't have anything constructive to add to this conversation...don't ruin it with insults and attacks!
So to keep with your tone...you are a headstrong idiot!
Now, to reply to someone with a little sense...
Do you really believe what you are saying mactastic?
A hetero agenda? I might bite if you said something like a conservative agenda or a Christian agenda...but a hetero agenda...come on. You are acting like there is a 40% gay population and the hetero's are doing everything to keep gays down. Come on...you are better than that.
Also, are we going to give an example of every "bad" thing hetero's do? What does the Gap have to do with this discussion...unless of course you are on the defensive!
Yes in fact I do believe what I am saying. And the proof is that your response to the "hetro agenda" comment is exactly the one I was looking for. Complete disbelief that such a thing exists. I tell you now that the same is true for the other side. There is no "homosexual agend" unless you call life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness an agenda. The fact that you see gays in soceity now is not the result of an agenda, but them finally being accepted enough to allow them to be visible without living in mortal fear of beatings or worse.
You give examples of every bad thing homosexuals do. Then you have the temerity to say that I am on the defensive for turning your own arguement around? You seem to be in denial of the many, and I do mean great many, hetrosexual-leaning items you see in everydady life. Just because you are so accustomed to seeing nearly naked girls hawking beer on tv doesn't mean it's not out there.
Lol.. defensive my foot! You are going to be fun to argue with.
Perhaps mactastic's phrase would be better put as a "culture of vulgarity." It exists, I am sure, amongst both heterosexuals and homosexuals. HOWEVER, because heterosexuals are the majority and have the greatest control of mainstream media, male-female vulgarity is the most pronounced in mass communication broadcasts.
I am surprised, and to be honest, disappointed, that you did not demonstrate any outrage for the example that mactastic cited about Gap. That has to be one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard a clothing company do, and for a person who professes to wish to instill his children with a certain sense of morality, it is too bad to hear that you don't want to speak about that.
Your response will be that it is irrelevant to the conversation. However, you brought it into the conversation. Your primary arguments against homosexuals were that they were of greater-than-average vulgarity. In mactastic's example, one sees a company that is mainstream and not homosexual exhibiting a degree of vulgarity that is wholly unacceptable.
The same is true of a show like Temptation Island or a figure like Paris Hilton parading our Prime Time. The latter is extremely disturbing with respect to the psyche of a young girl. Paris Hilton is extremely attractive, but lazy and stupid. Her main vocation is to strut around displaying her beauty at high-profile and mostly-decadent events. She advances the idea that women ARE sex objects, but that they can use their sexual objectification to further themselves monetarily and reputation-wise. That is not a comforting thought. Far less comforting, I would argue, than "gay TV," like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, which at the very least promotes mutual understanding and partnership.
And as to the lack of necessity of mentioning every "bad" heterosexual thing done, why then do you feel it necessary to mention every bad homosexual thing done? When mactastic cites blatant, widely-viewed aspects of heterosexual sexuality-flaunting, it is irrelevant and overly-specific. When you mention your own personal experience of seeing a gay couple go at it in a bathroom, though, it is of high relevance. I would argue that mactastic's examples are far more visible than yours, and that I, personally, have never seen a gay couple go at it in a bathroom or anywhere else.
dcb, I suspect I'm not the only one who thinks that last post was a little over the top. Somebody clarified early on in this thread that to some people gay does not have a sexual connotation. I don't quite understand the logic behind it (sexual preference is inherently sexual), but even I can see a line between a monogamous homosexual relationship (like Marcus' mother's) and sodomizing in a public park.
Only if homosexuality is a conscious choice entered into due to a failure of values, as you are arguing that it is.
Personally, I don't believe that--I believe in a biological origin for sexual orientation, which pretty well ensures that the majority of the population will be hetero, because if they weren't, there wouldn't BE a population. So things would never be as extreme as your last sarcastic reponse envisions. But then, I think that evolution stuff makes a whole lot of sense, too.
I'm just saying that the answer is not shielding children from the world, but educating them to understand it and deal with it in a mature and ethical fashion. It's never too early to start that process. If they're old enough to ask the question, they're old enough to be given a fair and truthful answer.
This holds true whether your version of a fair and truthful answer is that homos are vile aberrations of God's gift of sexuality or whether my version of a fair and truthful answer is that gays are just people wanting a home and family like anyone else's. All that each of us can do is do our best to guide our children to be people that we'd be proud of, despite our different standards of what that constitutes.
According to a couple of posters here, promiscuity is a learned behavior which is the result of environment. If that is true...perhaps all of our sexual decisions are based on our environment...thus a learned behaviour...thus a choice.
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