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I am sure some interesting engineering has gone into these ear buds. But, paying $150 to get the same functionality that you currently get for $5.99 is absurd. It also doesn't solve the question of how to hook up your phone to a sound system that doesn't have bluetooth, battery life for long plane trips, and so on. I'll be upgrading my iPhone 5s after the Sept 7 event, but it won't be to an iPhone 7.
 
This. I would not be surprised if the all-glass iPhone2017 has no port of any kind.

That seems a little soon ... But sure, why not -- inductive charging at a minimum, using the same charger as the Watch.

As long as wifi can reliably sustain the same transfer rate as the current Lightning interface by then, then it would certainly solve a lot of problems. But an iPhone with 256GB storage would take forever using a typical wifi connection currently, and I was really hoping for Lightning 2.
 
I'm going to guess the wireless apple ear buds will be about just as bad as their other headphones. Better to make the investment with some high fidelity earphones, like weststone, shure, or Etymotic.
Westone and Etymotic are terrific earphones (Shure I know of only by reputation). But they get spendy really quickly - the high end Westones are well over $1200 a pair (which, granted, gets you earphones custom molded to your ear canals, with multiple drivers on each side). Most of Apple's customers will likely balk at anything over $100 for earphones as a separate purchase ("but I just spent $700 on a phone!"), and will be happy with whatever comes in the box, though if the option is there at phone purchase time to "upgrade", likely quite a few could talk themselves into that.
 
I don't want two radio transmitters mounted in my ears, unless I am already deaf. I don't want two extra batteries that I have to worry about being charged. I don't want to have to look for two small ear bugs when they fall out on the plane. And most of all I don't want two DACs that will sound horrible in order to make the wireless ear bugs last all day long.
 
You know, the article you link (regardless of its veracity) discusses erectile dysfunction as well as killing sperm; I would have thought you'd be more worried about the former, which takes away fun, than the latter, which would just be electronic birth control. But... you're all worried about Bluetooth... which is simply 2.4GHz radio traffic... just like WiFi. Aren't you worried about WiFi too? You're pretty much continuously bathed in WiFi if you're anywhere populated. When getting worked up about a "new" risk, it's always best to compare it to the existing risks you already cheerfully accept.

Well certainly with 1 in 2 Americans getting cancer, certainly people should question but you only have to read forums like these to realise, that most people are more interested in iPhones, Apple and 'stuff' than their health. The only time they question is when they fall ill. I guess lack of intelligence and just the way that the western world is programmed.
France is banning WiFi in primary schools and going back to Ethernet connection. I wonder why? But don't worry, Apple just wants you to buy and buy and buy - that's what matters to them :)
 
That seems a little soon ... But sure, why not -- inductive charging at a minimum, using the same charger as the Watch.

As long as wifi can reliably sustain the same transfer rate as the current Lightning interface by then, then it would certainly solve a lot of problems. But an iPhone with 256GB storage would take forever using a typical wifi connection currently, and I was really hoping for Lightning 2.
I was thinking short range, high speed data through the same interface as used for charging.
 
By the way, why do these types of ads always go for the young, beautiful and hip demographic doing 'stuff' while using them that tells me absolutely nothing about the product itself?
Because the woman in the swimsuit has a nice butt, and sex sells. The message is, if you buy our headphones, you can hang out with them, and her. (Until the car you're riding in gets T-boned by a semi the driver didn't hear because he was wearing headphones while driving and you all die. But that part got dropped from the commercial, because sex sells, not dying.)
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How many swallow by mistake of such thing? Antenna gate, Bend gate, Swallow gate?
Why are you putting earphones in your mouth?
 
I tried to temper the aggression with a little bit of humor, but it was really hard not to mock the unbelievably cynical statement that Apple is removing the port and not using the space for anything... Glad to see you don't seem to have taken serious offense. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go start drafting some real zingers for Wednesday...

I think my point was more - they aren't putting something new and fab in that they absolutely have to make space for and the 3.5 was the only option. Metaphorical use of space (although the fake speaker holes rumour makes me SMH).

Cynical? Sure. Pouty? Absolutely. I like getting excited about releases. And so, I hope Tim waves something pretty and shiny in front of me that makes me completely forget how annoying it will be to compensate for the loss of the port. And then you can have your fun. Two y's in Gypsy remember and no girl jokes - this place is sexist enough.
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I use my Bluebuds X's daily. And I absolutely love them.

However I definitely would prefer NO wire assuming they sound just as good as the X's. But it's gonna take more than 6 hours of battery life for me to make the switch. That's about what I currently get with the X's.
 
Feeling very optimistic about these, especially with the recent Note 7 exploding battery recalls... :confused:
 
I can't bring myself to be a test subject for Bluetooth headsets. Everyone here should demand adequate research and testing to VERIFY, without question that Bluetooth radiation is safe.

http://emfblues.com/bluetooth-radiation/
"Bluetooth radiation" is 2.4GHz radiation. Just the same as WiFi (and cordless phones and baby monitors and all sorts of other devices). Do you have any WiFi access points in your home? Do your neighbors have any? Do you ever visit any buildings that have WiFi? Better stop that immediately, if you're really concerned about 2.4GHz radiation.

I'm guessing you're using the word "radiation" in regards to Bluetooth because it makes it sound more ominous (because nobody calls it that in normal conversation). But radiation is not inherently unsafe. You are exposed to electromagnetic radiation every day. You get a huge dose every time you walk outside during the day - there's an absolutely terrifying source of ultraviolet radiation out there that's so strong that it can literally burn you, from 93 million miles away. But if I call it "The Sun", suddenly it doesn't seem so scary, because it's familiar. Don't let fear of the unknown control your life. Electromagnetic radiation isn't a thing to fear, it is a thing to understand - it's all around us, and always has been. It is characterized by its frequency, or wavelength, and how energetic it is. Danger to life is entirely dependent on those two characteristics combined with exposure time. In more specific frequency ranges, electromagnetic radiation has more common names: gamma rays, X-rays, microwaves, ultraviolet radiation, infrared radiation, and visible light (yep, "light" is just a specific type of radiation - all those light bulbs in your house are irradiating you, but when it's visible light, we normally say they're shining on you). Can you kill lab rats with 2.4GHz radiation in sufficient quantities? Yes. But you can also kill them with water, or oxygen, in sufficient quantities, so what does that prove? Mostly that lab rats are not immortal.

Folks like to "put scientists on the spot" by insisting that they VERIFY that something "carries ABSOLUTELY NO RISK", and then, when the scientists won't unequivocally say, "yes!", these folk say, "Aha! Gotcha! You've just admitted that such and such IS dangerous!" But the simple truth is, good scientists won't say that anything is absolutely positively without risk, because EVERYTHING carries risk. Walking across your living room has a level of risk. Blinking carries risk. It's all a matter of understanding the actual levels of risk in everything you do and deciding which risks to accept in order to receive the corresponding benefits. And you do many things every day that are orders of magnitude more risky than wearing a Bluetooth headset. Starting with driving to work.

(Sorry, I'm just sick and tired of so many people treating radiation as some kind of magical bogeyman out to get them, while having absolutely no freaking idea what it is.)
 
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Here's 2 dumb things wireless earbuds and companies fail to realize:
  1. They can fall out easily, so the corded ones are actually nice as they "Save" the other one if one falls.
  2. No Microphone, yes this will be fun when I want to go hands free on a call, oh guess these can't do that.

1. Many have cords to keep them from falling, just not a cord attached to your device which gets tangled and in the way during runs and workouts. I've used a pair of Jaybird's since 2011, haven't had an issue.

2. They come with mic's for handsfree calling. Most if not all have for years.

There's a lot of FUD about Bluetooth A2DP headsets spreading worse than wildfire.

Jaybird Bluetooth X2

 
This. I would not be surprised if the all-glass iPhone2017 has no port of any kind.
Wow. When you got to no ports at all, you could start thinking about basically casting the phone into a solid block of (very special) glass. Interesting idea. Speakers, microphones, and heat dissapation would still be problems to work out.

I know there was a lot of anger at the time towards the iPhone 4 with its two glass sides, but I found it to be a thing of simplistic beauty. With a bumper on, it was like a block of glass with a protective edge that kept it from getting roughed up by any surface it laid on, and nothing stuck to the surface, it could always be wiped clean. I heard an explanation, way back when, that the glass on two sides, which many ridiculed as some sort of amateur design flaw ("who would do that? it can break twice as much!") actually made it less susceptible to front screen cracks, because the front and back rippled/compressed in an equal way when faced with the shock of dropping on an edge, while your typical aluminum/glass phone forces all that energy into the screen. In any case, mine never broke.
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What's that weird box everyone has in the video for this device? Kind of a pain if you need to carry that around isn't it?
I'm guessing that's a carrying case that doubles as a recharger - has a battery of its own that charges the tiny batteries in the earphones whenever you're not wearing them (of course, then you have to charge the box, too). Looks kinda bulky to carry in a pocket.
 
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Wow. When you got to no ports at all, you could start thinking about basically casting the phone into a solid block of (very special) glass. Interesting idea. Speakers, microphones, and heat dissipation would still be problems to work out.

This reminded of the transparent glass phone used in the last episode of "Weeds", which ironically brought up a thread someone posted on MacRumors about it in 2012.

I loved the idea.

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Bluetooth headphones subject you to considerably less radiation than holding the phone to your ear -- or even carrying the phone in your pocket. The headphones are already operating using a very low energy protocol and they're mostly receiving, so they broadcast very little energy (2.5mW is the maximum permitted by the standard). At the opposite end of the spectrum, your phone's cellular radio can use up to 2W to broadcast, roughly two thousand times more energy.
If you're concerned about exposing your brain to radio waves, stop using a cell phone; if you're in the vicinity of a cell phone, you're exposed to way more radiation than you'll ever get from a bluetooth headset.
 
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Wow. When you got to no ports at all, you could start thinking about basically casting the phone into a solid block of (very special) glass. Interesting idea. Speakers, microphones, and heat dissapation would still be problems to work out.

I know there was a lot of anger at the time towards the iPhone 4 with its two glass sides, but I found it to be a thing of simplistic beauty. With a bumper on, it was like a block of glass with a protective edge that kept it from getting roughed up by any surface it laid on, and nothing stuck to the surface, it could always be wiped clean. I heard an explanation, way back when, that the glass on two sides, which many ridiculed as some sort of amateur design flaw ("who would do that? it can break twice as much!") actually made it less susceptible to front screen cracks, because the front and back rippled/compressed in an equal way when faced with the shock of dropping on an edge, while your typical aluminum/glass phone forces all that energy into the screen. In any case, mine never broke.
I still think the iPhone 4 was the best design to date. The symmetry, feel in my hand, weight-- all were just right.

I hadn't though of the shock effects of all glass versus mixed materials though-- I could believe it, but I could also believe it's the kind of theory that only sounds good because I'm completely ignorant about materials and mechanical engineering...

I'd never seen a broken 4 except on the internet, and that was before Gorilla Glass, wasn't it?
 
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