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I have mixed feelings about these. Don't like the wires . But one feature that will be missing is being able to talk on the phone with your headphones and have the mic by your chest and being able to have your phone in your pocket. And you can control the volume.
 
Ha! Dragging around a 100 foot headphone cable is so 1970s.

I had one of those in the 80s, so I could watch TV late at night, and go to the kitchen and bathroom. I can't tell you how much stuff I got hung up on and knocked over doing that. One night someone knocked on the door unexpectedly and the dog ran through the house, got caught in the headphone wire, pulled the headphone off my head, and almost pulled the TV off the shelf.

Yup, that's so much better than BT. LOL

I tried that for a while when gaming on the Xbox (wife didnt appreciated the gunfire late at night) - it didn't work well - jumping around with the controller led to the inevitable pulling the cable out of the amp and boom house full of gunfire.

I ave a BT transmitter plugged into the TV now - my Dash doesnt connect well with that so I use my other BT headphones (Jaybird Bluebuds X) - sound isn't as good but it works.

When I could connect my Dash directly to the Apple TV teh BT connection was much better than the to the transmitter.
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I have mixed feelings about these. Don't like the wires . But one feature that will be missing is being able to talk on the phone with your headphones and have the mic by your chest and being able to have your phone in your pocket. And you can control the volume.

On the Dash you can control the volume directly on the ear bud.
 
I don't want two radio transmitters mounted in my ears, unless I am already deaf. I don't want two extra batteries that I have to worry about being charged. I don't want to have to look for two small ear bugs when they fall out on the plane. And most of all I don't want two DACs that will sound horrible in order to make the wireless ear bugs last all day long.
Gotta tip for you: Use the wired 'option'.
 
Have you actually used the Dash?

The new product are significantly different to the Dash and in fact don't address some of the issues facing the Dash - many of which have been fixed already.
Yes I have, actually. I took it back after a week as they were not worth 300 dollars. I'd heard that things have gotten better after firmware updates, but I don't see how software can fix hardware flaws.
 
I still think the iPhone 4 was the best design to date. The symmetry, feel in my hand, weight-- all were just right.

I hadn't though of the shock effects of all glass versus mixed materials though-- I could believe it, but I could also believe it's the kind of theory that only sounds good because I'm completely ignorant about materials and mechanical engineering...

I'd never seen a broken 4 except on the internet, and that was before Gorilla Glass, wasn't it?
It was a fine phone (used my 4s up until I bought my SE). But, it was too heavy. Especially in a lighter fabric pocket.
 
That was a while back, but I seem to remember the industry creating the standard, which was slowly adopted until Apple jumped in. At the time, people were criticizing Apple for Firewire, and for not jumping on USB quickly enough. Firewire was superior, at least at the time. USB ended up winning out in overall use, and is finally evolving into a pretty good, strong standard.
Actually, I think you're squishing together two different points in history. When the USB-only iMac came out, USB was more of a curiosity on the PC than anything - yes, it was a on industry standard, but few had implemented it. At 12Mbps, it was fine for keyboards and mice, but useless for substantial data transfer.

It was somewhat later on, after the new USB peripheral market had sprung up, and every PC started coming with USB ports standard, that USB2 went up against FireWire. PC fans would excitedly point out that FireWire was only 400Mbps, while USB2 was 480Mbps - it was entirely lost on them that FireWire was designed for high speed data transfers, and could do disk I/O all day long at 400Mbps with negligible impact on the CPU (because it was partly based on SCSI), while USB2, at the time, was basically a keyboard-and-mouse interface that had been sped up, and could be pressed into service for data transfer, but only with a substantial hit on overall system performance, and never hitting that magical 480Mbps. (Also, it doesn't have any particular impact on current events, but the FireWire FW400 connector was physically a much better connector than USB ever had, up until USB-C - the FireWire connector made a better physical connection and it was very clear which was the right way around, while with USB1 and 2 it has always been a crapshoot if you're trying to plug in a connector without looking at it. The FW800 connector is fine, but the FW400 connector was a beautiful design.)

Agreed that USB ended up winning out and evolving into a good and useful standard today. The connector could be better, but it's workable. And USB-C fixes pretty much all the problems.
I'd suggest renting Idiocracy (2006) if you haven't seen it, because the way things are looking, that is exactly where we're headed.
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Those guys in the car has a more expensive combined price of the headphone than car itself. :D
 
Yes I have, actually. I took it back after a week as they were not worth 300 dollars. I'd heard that things have gotten better after firmware updates, but I don't see how software can fix hardware flaws.

You should have kept the faith - The Dash today are a different beast to The Dash in February/March.
 
:( I don't really want wireless headphones and ear-buds. Even if they sound as good as even cheap-wired ones (which most don't), it's another battery thing to worry about, and then there are the potential health concerns. I suppose there are a few uses (yes, wires do get in the way) but then there's the $119 price tag. (I sure hope Apple isn't moving in this direction...)

You should still be able to use wired headphones via the lightning port. Do you need to listen and charge phone at the same time often?
 
Unless you have some imaginary outcome to consider here, that's the elephant in the room no one seems to be addressing. How is removing a 3.5mm analog connector and moving to the Lightening port any kind of better future?
My entire point is, assuming they do remove the headphone jack (a moderately safe bet at this point, but cannot yet be considered a fact), we don't know what their reasoning is. All we have, at this point, is: a) rumors the jack is going away, and b) a whole bunch of wild speculation, mostly assigning motives to Apple ("they're doing it to save ten cents and make you buy new stuff because they're cold heartless meanies!") that tells us more about the motivations of the speaker than it doesn't about Apple. But... Wednesday morning, Apple will explain their case. What they did, and why, and their reasoning, and what other steps they may have taken to allievate the pain. What will all that be? I have no idea. Will it be a good explanation? I don't know. But I'd bet money that they have a solid explanation worked out, because they usually do. Doesn't mean I'll agree with it, but I'm dying to hear Apple's reasoning. A lot of other folks on here are too eager to get on with the tarring and feathering, to let any sort of explanation stand in the way.
 
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Lightning is worlds better than the 30-pin connector it replaced. And, sorry, but it's worlds better than MicroUSB
Agreed. MicroUSB is a terrible connector. I have to fumble around trying to find the right orientation every single time. USB-C is much better and a lot more flexible.
Now Apple is in a situation where they can stay with their existing connector around which an substantial industry has sprung up, and for which there has been an expectation that it would be around a long time, or they could jump over to USB-C, which, sure, would make them look a bit bad, but more importantly would upset the industry built up around the Lightning connector
I'm pretty sure the accessory industry would be really happy about a move to USB-C. They could unify around one standard and achieve better economies of scale, not pay MfI fees, and sell some of their accessories to Apple users again.
keep in mind this doesn't just mean cable makers: every case and stand designed to just barely fit the Lightning connector won't fit a USB-C connector. Telling millions of people, "your new phone is exactly the same dimensions as your old phone, but your case and your car mount won't work any more because you can't plug anything in now" wouldn't go over very well (remember the uproar when they switched away from the 30-pin connector?).
The "uproar" doesn't seem to have hurt Apple one bit ... on the contrary.
I'd Love to see the iPhone switch to USB-C (despite having a bunch of Lightning cables I'd have to replace), but I don't expect them to make the change any time soon, given the reasoning above.
I think Lightning is a dead end and there are good arguments to kill it off ASAP and switch to USB-C. Besides the obvious disadvantages for consumers like lock-in and more hassle if you use non-Apple devices, it also has more technical limitations than USB-C. For example, it is unable to transport uncompressed 1080p video, which is why video output using the Lightning/HDMI adapter needs to be compressed and can look pretty crappy.
 
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My entire point is, assuming they do remove the headphone jack (a moderately safe bet at this point, but cannot yet be considered a fact), we don't know what their reasoning is. All we have, at this point, is: a) rumors the jack is going away, and b) a whole bunch of wild speculation, mostly assigning motives to Apple ("they're doing it to save ten cents and make you buy new stuff!") that tells us more about the motivations of the speaker than it doesn't about Apple. But... Wednesday morning, Apple will explain their case. What they did, and why, and their reasoning, and what other steps they may behave taken to allievate the pain. What will all that be? I have no idea. Will it be a good explanation? I don't know. But I'd bet money that they have a solid explanation worked out, because they usually do. Doesn't mean I'll agree with it, but I'm dying to hear Apple's reasoning. A lot of other folks on here are too eager to get on with the tarring and feathering, to let any sort of explanation stand in the way.

I stopped responding to people who start with the phrase, "nobody has been able to give me a good reason" ...

Because no reason will ever be good enough for them, if only because they aren't really interested. They're just typically looking for an excuse to climb up on their soap box and pontificate and usually beat a strawman.
 
Not a good parallel at all. The floppy drive wasn't being used any longer, for the most part, and getting rid of it drove other superior storage technologies and made substantial gains for device construction.
Of course it was still being used. But you're right that getting rid of the floppy drive drove the development of superior technologies. So it's a great parallel. Ask anyone, eighteen years from now, and they'll tell you the same. The 3.5mm audio jack was on its last legs already in 2016, though not everyone could see that.
 
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You should still be able to use wired headphones via the lightning port. Do you need to listen and charge phone at the same time often?
FWIW, I have a frequent use case for using headphones and charging at the same time. I often go on long walks at night. Listening to podcasts, audiobooks, or music, and playing Ingress (the walking around augmented reality game that is the predecessor to Pokémon Go). The game eats battery, so I often have my iPhone 6 plugged into an external battery and headphones at the same time. I've also had the situation where I'm going out for a walk, not gaming, but my battery is substantially drained after a long day, so I use the battery while I walk. And I'm not the only one doing things like this.
 
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My entire point is, assuming they do remove the headphone jack (a moderately safe bet at this point, but cannot yet be considered a fact), we don't know what their reasoning is. All we have, at this point, is: a) rumors the jack is going away, and b) a whole bunch of wild speculation, mostly assigning motives to Apple ("they're doing it to save ten cents and make you buy new stuff because they're cold heartless meanies!") that tells us more about the motivations of the speaker than it doesn't about Apple. But... Wednesday morning, Apple will explain their case. What they did, and why, and their reasoning, and what other steps they may have taken to allievate the pain. What will all that be? I have no idea. Will it be a good explanation? I don't know. But I'd bet money that they have a solid explanation worked out, because they usually do. Doesn't mean I'll agree with it, but I'm dying to hear Apple's reasoning. A lot of other folks on here are too eager to get on with the tarring and feathering, to let any sort of explanation stand in the way.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck. Just sayin'.
 
Anyone else find this video more about the models than the actual headphones. Using sex to sale headphones, really?
 
:( I don't really want wireless headphones and ear-buds. Even if they sound as good as even cheap-wired ones (which most don't), it's another battery thing to worry about, and then there are the potential health concerns. I suppose there are a few uses (yes, wires do get in the way) but then there's the $119 price tag. (I sure hope Apple isn't moving in this direction...)

What health concerns? The only thing I can think of is ear infections from putting something in your ear, but you can get that from regular ear buds.
 
Anyone else find this video more about the models than the actual headphones. Using sex to sale headphones, really?
Why not? They use sex to sell everything else. ;)
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I stopped responding to people who start with the phrase, "nobody has been able to give me a good reason" ...

Because no reason will ever be good enough for them, if only because they aren't really interested. They're just typically looking for an excuse to climb up on their soap box and pontificate and usually beat a strawman.
I agree with your second paragraph, that does happen a lot, though, to be fair, I believe the OP was talking more of looking for an explanation than a justification. Different flavor of reason.
 
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