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Brain Cancer [From cell phones]

The light bulb in the room I am sitting in is absolutely pouring radiation on me. My head is terribly exposed. I learned in college that radiation from light bulbs causes chemical changes in the eyes resulting in nerve stimulation that causes changes in the brain! Radiation from light bulbs is millions of times more energetic than radiation from cell phones!

Save yourselves! Turn off your light bulbs! To be perfectly safe, use blackout curtains on your windows and sit in the dark. No light whatsoever! It's radiation, and you don't want to expose your head to radiation, especially your eyes! You might actually read something about the electromagnetic spectrum and learn something (changes in the brain, oh god, my brain has changed again!).
 
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DoofenshmirtzEI said:
The light bulb in the room I am sitting in is absolutely pouring radiation on me. My head is terribly exposed. I learned in college that radiation from light bulbs causes chemical changes in the eyes resulting in nerve stimulation that causes changes in the brain! Radiation from light bulbs is millions of times more energetic than radiation from cell phones!

Save yourselves! Turn off your light bulbs! To be perfectly safe, use blackout curtains on your windows and sit in the dark. No light whatsoever! It's radiation, and you don't want to expose your head to radiation, especially your eyes! You might actually read something about the electromagnetic spectrum and learn something (changes in the brain, oh god, my brain has changed again!).
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I don't think anyone here is saying for you not to put radiation to your head if you want.

I'm saying that I will pass and use speaker.
 
Jony Ive: At Apple we have gone to great lengths to richly tailor the radiation emanating from iPhone closely to the contours of the human body, minimizing negative effects, and in a new breakthrough, actually strengthening the structure of human tissue.
 
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Hieveryone said:
I don't think anyone here is saying for you not to put radiation to your head if you want.

I'm saying that I will pass and use speaker.
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But what are you doing about light bulbs? The radiation from a light bulb 10 feet away is millions of times stronger than the radiation from a cell phone held to your head.
 
Hieveryone said:
I'm saying that I will pass and use speaker.
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Do you always know where the nearest cell tower is when you talk with the speaker phone? How do you know your phone's "radiation" isn't shooting right through your brain to reach the tower (even using the speaker phone).

The phone's "radiation" often travels 10s or 100s of miles to reach the tower. If you think moving it a few inches away will make all the difference...
 
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silverblack said:
Do you always know where the nearest cell tower is when you talk with the speaker phone? How do you know your phone's "radiation" isn't shooting right through your brain to reach the tower (even using the speaker phone).

The phone's "radiation" often travels 10s or 100s of miles to reach the tower. If you think moving it a few inches away will make all the difference...
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Radiation from a cell phone or cell phone tower isn't directed. It travels equally in all directions, moderated only by objects in the way. Just like a light bulb.

10's of miles maybe, 100's definitely not. Google "cell phone tower range". And the energy intensity decreases by the square of the distance from the source. So 10 inches away is 1/100th the intensity of 1 inch away (admittedly, this doesn't do much for the energy from a cell tower a mile away) . But a lightbulb 10 feet away is still millions more energy intense than a cell phone held directly to your head. Fear the lightbulb!
 
How cute that some people think that all radiation is the same and that anything that emits radiation is harmful

Well, nothing stopping them from wearing tin foil hats and eating bananas. Oh wait!, bananas are radioactive (look it up). Don't eat them nor pretend you are talking on them like they are a phone

These silly "studies" we're probably brought to you by "big wire". Those firms promoting wired phones.
 
Hieveryone said:
I don't need proof to know putting radiation on your head is bad. If you need proof, keep looking.
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I'm seeing a lot of fallacies on this thread. The argument that since the radiation won't cause mutation so it isn't harmful is especially disturbing. First of all radiation giving you cancer is literally mutating your body and it can cause death.

I think people just don't want to think of something we love so much and use every day could harm us. It reminds me of the Star Trek The Next Generation episode "Force of Nature" where evidence that warp drive was causing a lot of damage to the space in which it was being used was not simply ignored but met with hostile opponents.
 
Where is the surge in brain cancer cases from the incredible rise in the usage of cell phones?
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From http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/brain.html

My uncle died of brain cancer, never having used a cell phone in his life. My mother technically died of brain cancer, it metastasized from her breast cancer to her spine and then into her brain. Same thing happened to my mother-in-law, again, never having used a cell phone in her life, nor were there any cell towers back then. It really pisses me off when people throw around this tin-foil hat stuff with no evidence behind it, and ignore stuff that really does cause problems.

Sure, non-ionizing radiation can be harmful. Cell phones use microwave radiation. Microwaves can cook you, just like they cook your food. A microwave oven focuses the energy it produces inside the cavity (not only to produce effective cooking, but also to keep the microwaves from radiating out where they could harm people), and it uses a lot more energy than a cell phone. A cell phone doesn't concentrate, focus, or direct its energy. Lots of research has been done on microwave radiation and the damage it causes, the eyes are particularly sensitive to developing cataracts, and nerves develop neuropathy, but we don't hear of these things happening to cell phone users because the energy levels are way too low to cause damage, even with prolonged and repeated use.
 
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I would say the effects of social seclusion and not connecting with distant people are far more harmful.
 
DoofenshmirtzEI said:
But a lightbulb 10 feet away is still millions more energy intense than a cell phone held directly to your head. Fear the lightbulb!
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Both you and I know the point here is not the intensity of the radiation, but the wavelength of radiation that determines whether it is harmful or not.
 
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JustMadeThisNameUp said:
You're saying that like it's something we should be observing right now. Like we should know exactly right this moment whether or not someone will develop cancer 20 years from now and that we don't know that it's obviously not true.

I have to wonder if you saw this being referred to with an Android phone if you'd be more receptive to it
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What the heck are you talking about? I'm not an Apple Fanboy -- I'm a fan! There's a big difference! I don't make excuses for them. I'd say the same about any smartphone. Jeez...
 
silverblack said:
Both you and I know the point here is not the intensity of the radiation, but the wavelength of radiation that determines whether it is harmful or not.
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For ionizing radiation, that's true (the smallest dose can harm), but a strong enough light (visible light) will blind you, and high intensity microwaves will cook you. At low intensities, both are harmless.
 
DoofenshmirtzEI said:
For ionizing radiation, that's true (the smallest dose can harm), but a strong enough light (visible light) will blind you, and high intensity microwaves will cook you. At low intensities, both are harmless.
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Again, while you are not wrong, your statement implies that any EMR can be harmful at high intensity. It allows people to take it out of context and lead to discussions like this exact thread. Stop comparing radio waves with shorter wavelength EMR!!!!!
 
People! For radio waves to have ANY effects on our bodies, there has to be a mechanism for molecules in our bodies to be excited by (to absorb) these radio waves. And there isn't such a mechanism known. Trust me, if someone can prove such mechanism, s/he will win a Nobel prize (becomes very famous and rich). No government or cell phone industry could stop scientists from making such discovery if it exists.

For citation, please refer links I posted earlier in this thread.
 
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You know, this kind of hypothesis would work in the 80s or 90s but we've had 20-30 years of cell phones. Let alone decades of microwaves which would be more destructive. You've had 30+ years to state this quack but you took too long, checkmate, you fail. Game over.
 
Hieveryone said:
And putting radiation on your head isn't foolish? Please.
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You need to look up the difference between ionizing and non ionizing radiation, it's a massive difference, and will make you appear less foolish.

Then look up what you're exposed to as a result of standing outside in sunlight.
 
silverblack said:
Again, while you are not wrong, your statement implies that any EMR can be harmful at high intensity. It allows people to take it out of context and lead to discussions like this exact thread. Stop comparing radio waves with shorter wavelength EMR!!!!!
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You realize that the light bulb thing was a damned joke meant to point out how ridiculous the whole "but, but... it's radiation" thing is, don't you? No, I guess you don't.

The mechanism by which microwaves and radio waves are absorbed by the body is well known. It's completely different from the effects of ionizing radiation, which is why intensity matters. The energy of individual photons of ionizing radiation is sufficient to break chemical bonds. For frequencies of non-ionizing radiation (visible light, infrared, microwave, etc.) absorption causes heating. That's how microwave ovens work. Even for radio waves in the AM and FM band regions, in order to safely climb up and work on a high-powered radio or television transmitting tower, the transmitter has to be either turned off or the power cut severely. There are numerous documented incidents of workers discovering that power has inadvertently been turned back on because they started to become hot from RF exposure (even with a protective suit on). Radio waves are a lot less absorbed by the human body than microwaves are, which is why a worker can survive some very close exposure to a 100,000 watt radio station tower, but the same exposure to an unshielded 1500 watt microwave oven can be deadly. But intensity still matters.
 
Orangeman13 said:
now that I have your attention - does anyone give a second thought to the dangers of holding a cell phone up to your brain?

I have a PhD in cellular biology from Syracuse and just want people to remember that research not funded by cell phone companies shows an elevated risk of brain cancer for moderate to heave cell phone usage. Bluetooth is even worse as radiation is going through the ear canal.

Ever read the warnings already coming with your cell phone?

Remember cigarettes were once thought to be safe....
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As someone else who's familiar with Marshall St., I wonder if you've learned any info on the so-called protective cases (e.g. Pong/RF Safe)?
 
Orangeman13 said:
This is what happened to tabacco users....
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lol, he can't even spell tobacco

Orangeman13 said:
I have a PhD in cellular biology from Syracuse
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Oh that's why. Probably also explains why he just spewed some nonsense without intelligently supporting his thesis. Remind me to never send my kids to Syracuse.
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Orangeman13 said:
However, we do not know what causes cancer - just what increases your risk. If we knew the exact cause we'd be on our way to a cure.
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Are you serious? You have a PHD in bio and you don't know that SOME cancer causes have been elucidated, such as p53 TSG errors?

Wow. Again, never sending my kids to Syracuse.
 
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